North korea caught in a lie.

[foxer 0]

click here

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Im guessing alot of people actually knew of it.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Oh come on, did anyone really think that they wanted those nuclear reactors to help their own population?

[Badgerboy 0]

Developing nuclear weapons!?

Bush is going to have his work cut out invading all these countries!

[DarkLight 0]

Who wants to invade, when we can nuke them all with OUR nuclear weapons!

HOORAY!

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 17 2002,14:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who wants to invade, when we can nuke them all with OUR nuclear weapons!

HOORAY!<span id='postcolor'>

Do you feel you need to fight everyone who looks like a challange?

lol

ANyway, this is going to make Bush look reealy stupid, or in his case, reealy reealy stupid.

[Papageorge 0]

Lmao. Did anyone REALLY think nations like N.Korea would not want to make Nukes? I highly doubt any of the Fing crazy countries that have nukes or that are making them will ever use them. Not unless they on on crack AND herion.

[KingBeast 0]

My favourite part of that article:

The North Korean official then shocked Kelly when he looked at him and said "something to the effect of, 'Your president called us a member of the axis of evil. ... Your troops are deployed on the Korean peninsula. ... Of course, we have a nuclear program,'" according to the senior administration source, who was briefed on the meeting.

Qutie a good answer I would say

[Sadico 1]

Yep, quite a good answer.

[cam0flage 0]

I would have been surprised if the North Koreans hadn't been developing nuclear weapons, after all, it is a pretty military oriented state. The whole country is starving but still they upkeep a big army and have the funds and resources to run a nuclear program same time. I think the Pyongyang Roboboy Kim Jong Il should really check his priorities.

It is kinda scary anyhow that North Korea might be able to develop a nuclear weapon, because they already got a missile capable of reaching Japan (I think they tested it last year).

Offtopic but still related to North Korea: Did anyone notice the news about the Japanese who were abducted by the Koreans in the 70s visiting Japan this week? The bastards kidnapped young Japanese people and took them to North Korea to teach the spies Japanese manners and language. Now, after 30 years, they were allowed to visit Japan, but they now have families in Korea, who weren't allowed to follow them, ie. they were kept as hostages. Pretty cruel, I'd say.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KingBeast @ Oct. 17 2002,22:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My favourite part of that article:

The North Korean official then shocked Kelly when he looked at him and said "something to the effect of, 'Your president called us a member of the axis of evil. ... Your troops are deployed on the Korean peninsula. ... Of course, we have a nuclear program,'" according to the senior administration source, who was briefed on the meeting.

Qutie a good answer I would say  <span id='postcolor'>

Yes, nice answer

...except for that it doesn't really hold up. The treaty was signed in 1994 with Clinton so blaming it on Bush's stupid 'axis of evil' doesn't really work.

It is however no surprise that they have nukes - it's too bad that another country has joined the infamous club.

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Oct. 17 2002,22:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, nice answer

...except for that it doesn't really hold up. The treaty was signed in 1994 with Clinton so blaming it on Bush's stupid 'axis of evil' doesn't really work.<span id='postcolor'>

...and the 37,000 American soldiers in South Korea are there to prevent the North Koreans from invading (again).

Other than those two little factoids, nice answer.

Edit: I wonder how long it will take the North Korean government to ask for "economic incentives" (i.e. payoffs) to halt their program?

Semper Fi

[HellToupee 0]

I cant see y everyone jus cant disarm there nukes i mean everyone knows there pointless, our contrys anti nuke y cant u all be, they can only be used to effect on civilian populations. There was sum treaty or sumthing going on in southafrica that a few contrys were invovled in that would decrease chemical and nuclear arments the US was in it but they didnt want to disarm i think it was. Any way ild rather have nrth korea and other contrys havin nukes than just one contry, imagin one contry with nukes the abilty to turn another contryinto a crater without being nuked back.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Oct. 17 2002,20:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ANyway, this is going to make Bush look reealy stupid, or in his case, reealy reealy stupid.<span id='postcolor'>

Nope, this is gonna make him feel stupid :

[USMC Sniper 0]

Do you think every country would disarm its nukes? If say the US disarmed all their nukes, they would be at the mercy of ANY country that still had possession of the nukes.

[edc 0]

Or amy terrorist groups who may get them.

[ralphwiggum 6]

I've been contacting some friends who are keen on subject and most are being cautious.

1. When Nks talk, they talk in 'IF ~~~ then ~~ ' structure. so it could be that some misinterpretation could be in. the article from CNN did note that NK guy saying 'US has troops in south' and 'we'll have nukes'. so i give a little doubt on that.

2. NKs are infamous for making empty threats and useless threats. of course they go nuts once in awhile, but my SK friend says that there are more threats then real substance in just about every case. in otherwords, they talk tough, but can't do much.

3.about the missile poste earlier. they reach well beyond JPN. they flew over it.

4.timing. If I read correctly, Kelly went to NK and got that response in January. that could explain why Bush added NK to 'Axis of Evil'. not many ppl considered NK to be international menace, and probably the reason why NK was added to the Axis is because of that. I heard rumor that WH released the info after finding out that US News were going to publish it. so guess they didn't consider it much of threat.

and I see no reason why current administration wants to beat the lights out of NK. They are just whining babies.

as i see it, the solution would be to give SK nukes too. that way, NK will think twice before using nukes and WMD.

and about Japanese ppl abducted long time ago. Yes, it is true and NK acknowledged that it did. Current visit may not be the solution JPN wants, but it's the first step of having them back in JPN.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Oct. 17 2002,23:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I cant see y everyone jus cant disarm there nukes i mean everyone knows there pointless, our contrys anti nuke y cant u all be, they can only be used to effect on civilian populations. There was sum treaty or sumthing going on in southafrica that a few contrys were invovled in that would decrease chemical and nuclear arments the US was in it but they didnt want to disarm i think it was. Any way ild rather have nrth korea and other contrys havin nukes than just one contry, imagin one contry with nukes the abilty to turn another contryinto a crater without being nuked back.<span id='postcolor'>

If you have nukes you can't be pushed around just like your average Joe nation.

If you have nukes (and missiles too) then you know that the other side (mostly the US) have to be cautious because they might get some extensive damage as well. Generally, nukes are a good thing for a government, they boost the polls and make your country a lot more independent.

Look what happened when Pakistan and India acquired nukes, nothing substantial was done, they were accepted into the gentlemen's club and now enjoy higher privilidges in their region.

[Guest]

0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Oct. 18 2002,010)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">as i see it, the solution would be to give SK nukes too. that way, NK will think twice before using nukes and WMD.<span id='postcolor'>

Oh, yes that's a great solution. Why don't we solve all conflicts like that:

Israel - no problem - give the palestinians some nukes so that the conflict gets balanced.

NI - sure why not throw in a couple of nukes to the IRA when we are at it.

Hell, why not just arm every country in the world with nukes.. no, no.. even better. We nuke every country in the world and after that there won't be any conflicts, right?

We could call it 'preemptive' nuking.

[foxer 0]

You guys know NK broke a treaty ? Anyone remember what happened when the US broke a treaty ? Damn hypocrites.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

North Korea is a frigging disaster- with any look, that oppressive totalitarian regime will implode soon, because it is obvious the NK people don't have the strength to change it (probably because they have about a pound of rice per week per person- hard rebelling on an empty stomach)

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Oct. 18 2002,02:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys know NK broke a treaty ? Anyone remember what happened when the US broke a treaty ? Damn hypocrites.<span id='postcolor'>

Who cares really. They all break treaties. On the other hand, US must have a record though! The most recent one must be the Kyoto agreement, but they also have a habbit of NOT signing ANY treaties. Wouldn't you call it a double standard to expect others to respect agreements when all you do is breaking them yourselves?

[foxer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Oct. 18 2002,02:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Oct. 18 2002,02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys know NK broke a treaty ? Anyone remember what happened when the US broke a treaty ? <!--emo& Damn hypocrites.<span id='postcolor'>

Who cares really. They all break treaties. On the other hand, US must have a record though! The most recent one must be the Kyoto agreement, but they also have a habbit of NOT signing ANY treaties. Wouldn't you call it a double standard to expect others to respect agreements when all you do is breaking them yourselves?<span id='postcolor'>

So it's ok to break a treaty because the US does it too ?

--edit ,not going go off topic.

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Oct. 18 2002,02:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Oct. 18 2002,02:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Oct. 18 2002,02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys know NK broke a treaty ? Anyone remember what happened when the US broke a treaty ? <!--emo& Damn hypocrites.<span id='postcolor'>

Who cares really. They all break treaties. On the other hand, US must have a record though! The most recent one must be the Kyoto agreement, but they also have a habbit of NOT signing ANY treaties. Wouldn't you call it a double standard to expect others to respect agreements when all you do is breaking them yourselves?<span id='postcolor'>

So it's ok to break a treaty because the US does it too ? <span id='postcolor'>

Of course it's not ok to break a treaty. By signing a treaty you are sort of expected to fulfill the "deal". I just pointed a finger at you for moralizing against North Korea. It's ironic when you come to think of what the good ol' of USA has been doing for a longe time.

?? What has this got to do with the sniping maniac?

[foxer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Oct. 18 2002,02:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Oct. 18 2002,02:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Oct. 18 2002,02:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Oct. 18 2002,02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys know NK broke a treaty ? Anyone remember what happened when the US broke a treaty ? <!--emo& Damn hypocrites.<span id='postcolor'>

Who cares really. They all break treaties. On the other hand, US must have a record though! The most recent one must be the Kyoto agreement, but they also have a habbit of NOT signing ANY treaties. Wouldn't you call it a double standard to expect others to respect agreements when all you do is breaking them yourselves?<span id='postcolor'>

So it's ok to break a treaty because the US does it too ? Wow ,you know there is a sniper running around killing people in the US.He doing it why can't i ?  Like i said hypocrites. <span id='postcolor'>

Of course it's not ok to break a treaty. By signing a treaty you are sort of expected to fulfill the "deal". I just pointed a finger at you for moralizing against North Korea. It's ironic when you come to think of what the good ol' of USA has been doing for a longe time.

?? What has this got to do with the sniping maniac?<span id='postcolor'>

I said it because what you said about US breaky treaties.

I was trying make a point that if he's doing why isn't everyone doing it.

You can see i edited it