call_911 10 Posted March 24, 2015 http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/german-plane-crash/germanwings-passenger-plane-crashes-france-officials-n329076 Prayers 8( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted March 24, 2015 Good weather, clear skies, high altitude and then a rapid descent. My theory is that something was suddenly wrong with the aircraft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
call_911 10 Posted March 24, 2015 Yeah too early to tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) A couple of work-mates of a friend were in that flight. What's a bit "curious" is the note in the German Wings website ( owned by Lufthansa). After it's been confirmed the place of the crash and that none of the passengers may be alive, probably it's time to change in the English version the "media speculation on an incident" (in the German version they did and gave attention numbers ). Tho I'm aware of the German companies' behavior when there are accidents (I experienced them myself a few times), at least a proper English version would be nice (not saying that, if the flight took off from Barcelona, they should also include texts in Catalan and Spanish). Wir müssen leider bestätigen, dass Flug 4U9525 auf dem Flug von Barcelona nach Düsseldorf über den französischen Alpen verunglückt ist. Es handelt sich um ein Flugzeug vom Typ A320. An Bord waren 144 Passagiere und 6 Crew-Mitglieder. Lufthansa und Germanwings haben eine Telefon-Hotline geschaltet: Unter der kostenfreien Telefonnummer 0800 11 33 55 77 können sich Angehörige von Fluggästen melden und werden dort betreut. Alle Mitarbeiterinnen und Mitarbeiter der Germanwings und der Lufthansa sind in tiefer Betroffenheit mit ihren Gedanken und Gebeten bei den Angehörigen und Freunden der Passagiere und Besatzungsmitglieder. We have recently become aware of media reports speculating on an incident though we still do not have any own confirmed information. As soon as definite information is available, we shall inform the media immediately. Please monitor our website www.germanwings.com for periodic updates. Edited March 24, 2015 by MistyRonin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted March 24, 2015 Apparently the plane was checked and serviced just yesterday in Düsseldorf. I guess something went wrong during the repairs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted March 24, 2015 (NY Times) Germanwings Airbus Carrying 150 Crashes in French Alps Search and rescue teams were scrambling on Tuesday to reach a remote and rugged site in the southern French Alps where the French aviation authorities confirmed that a German plane carrying 144 passengers and six crew members had crashed while en route to Düsseldorf from Barcelona. It was feared that there were no survivors.The wreckage of the aircraft, an Airbus A320 operated by Germanwings, a budget subsidiary of Lufthansa, was located by a French military helicopter near the town of Prads-Haute-Bléone, according to Éric Héraud, a spokesman in Paris for the aviation authority, the Direction Générale de l’Aviation Civile. It was unclear when the pilots last communicated with air traffic controllers. About 40 minutes after takeoff, at approximately 10:40 a.m., radio contact with the aircraft was lost. Shortly thereafter, air traffic controllers sent out an alert, as the plane descended rapidly from a cruising altitude of 38,000 feet while flying over the town of Barcelonnette in the Alpes de Haute-Provence region, French aviation authorities said. ---------- Post added at 17:17 ---------- Previous post was at 16:54 ---------- Last reports say that the crew didn't contact with the traffic controllers during the last 9 minutes of the flight when they descended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted March 24, 2015 No distress signal from the pilots, that's quite surprising. ---------- Post added at 19:19 ---------- Previous post was at 19:02 ---------- Airplane specialists say it seems the plane wasn't piloted anymore during the last ten minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted March 24, 2015 [/color]Airplane specialists say it seems the plane wasn't piloted anymore during the last ten minutes. Yeah, seems like something really weird happened. It was even trying to reduce speed and descend. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4c-KRWsAAmX5O.png (135 kB) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted March 24, 2015 Oxygen? Pressure? There should be systems in place to prevent any of that. They found one Blackbox, I guess we´ll know more tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisb 196 Posted March 24, 2015 Its very sad. Apparently there were quite a number of children/students on a pupil exchange project. Can't imagine what it must be like saying goodbye to a son or daughter and seeing them off on a trip, then a short time later having to face the fact that they will never return home again, doesn't bare thinking about. Its sad for every person's family on-board, adult or child. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub-Human 10 Posted March 25, 2015 Indeed a very sad event. Perhaps there was a hostile takeover? ISIS? I'm not sure this was caused by mechanical reasons... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 25, 2015 Indeed a very sad event. Perhaps there was a hostile takeover? ISIS? I'm not sure this was caused by mechanical reasons... we should not get in paranoia with terrorists, accidents happen, vehicles from time to time have technical failures, investigation is yet not even opened cause black-box (orange-box) is found hours ago, so this would take days or week to say anything , some times plane can crush because of small element in engine, 3 decades ago in Poland one plane crashed because of very small element in engine which broke after start , no matter how strict one checks engines, there are thousands elements, from time to time it happens , sad of course, but technical failures happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakerod 254 Posted March 26, 2015 Whether or not this is accurate I do not know: Pilot locked out of cockpit at time of crash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Whether or not this is accurate I do not know:Pilot locked out of cockpit at time of crash Yep, the german media reports the same and the source is linked to the New York Times. Actually, quiete a tragedy did happening inside the plane if the NYT article is right and the accident was maybe avoidable. Horrible, imagine you are watching this all as a passenger. The airplane in a descent for almost ten minutes and the Pilot is trying to smash the cockpit door to get in and no answer from the Co-Pilot. Was he maybe unconscious or why he did not open the door ? In an article its written that since the 911 assault the cockpit door cant be open anymore from the outside due to new regulations, but the report says aswell it could be opened with an emergency code. If so why he did try to smash the door and not use the door code ? The whole crew and not only the pilots are trained to use such a code in an emergency. And here it comes - except the door is kept locked active from inside. In the next days we know more. Edited March 26, 2015 by oxmox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted March 26, 2015 About the way to get Inside the cockpit, there are three positions : (1) open (no need for a code), (2) openable from outside with a code (known by the pilots and another crew member) or by knocking at the door (the pilot has got a camera to see who's knocking), or (3) locked (no code can work). In that case it seems that the pilot that remained in the cockpit locked the door, so that nobody can enter. Another point that shows he wasn't unconscious is that the plane was set to go down regularly (so it was probably the decision of someone). But ATM nobody gave an official confirmation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 26, 2015 on the internet forums people say there should be released who was that pilot which locked door cause people smell conspiracy there could that been suicide, passengers who are rip names are known, crew not ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soul_assassin 1750 Posted March 26, 2015 looks familiar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted March 26, 2015 Oh my God.....If that is really true.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) The French prosecutor in charge is speeking ATM ---------- Post added at 12:44 ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 ---------- While alone, the co pilot has used the Flight monitoring system to make the plane go down. The flight commander was calling him through the inboard phone, then knocked at the door. The co pilot was heard breathing, so he was alive, but he didn't respond to the air controller. Then we hear alarms and someone trying to break the door. Then the hit on the ground, screams can be heard just before the crash. The most probable hypothesis is that the co pilot crashed the plane on purpose. The co pilot was German, called Andreas Lubitz, 28 yo. Edited March 26, 2015 by ProfTournesol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) than pilot was insane , in group of probably dozens thousands of people carrying this profession - one cyco can be found from time to time , shame that others lost life , guy was young (from my perspective), pilot is good money so he was succesfull in life, why the f*** maybe pschylogical tests should be carried from time to time on pilots do they not have problems in personal life from photos in the internet - he was handsome - also problems with women are excluded (when you are handsome and have money, you have puss*** and lot of sex, so you live happy - psychology basis, Maslow triangle of human needs ) he was young, handsome, good salary - why ??? i see no reasons why handsome young man with good salary makes suicide pilot job is not easy, being pilot is also succes in life to pass all exams (although even famous rock stars commit suicides like Kurt Cobain who was on top and could have any money and any women) psychological tests in some professions should be repeated on and on and on and on Edited March 26, 2015 by vilas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas 5 Posted March 26, 2015 I feel it was a deliberate maneuver by the co-pilot. Considering they were at cruise altitude, auto-pilot would have most likely been on. The co-pilot would have to shut this off and deliberately nose the plane down. It wasn't on auto-descent considering how the descent is not perfect. We really need that black box that has all the other data (Controls, engine details, etc.) in it to figure it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slatts 1978 Posted March 26, 2015 Irish Times reports Co-pilot is most likely responsible http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/co-pilot-crashed-plane-into-alps-deliberately-investigators-believe-1.2154165 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 26, 2015 press wrote he had 2 kids - i do not understand it even more if family was together - person with 2 kids , earning good money (pilot, not mc donald), is least possible suicide target Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slatts 1978 Posted March 26, 2015 press wrote he had 2 kids - i do not understand it even moreif family was together - person with 2 kids , earning good money (pilot, not mc donald), is least possible suicide target It's a tough one, and we may never fully know why. Perhaps he was on the verge of losing his job. Maybe he had money troubles. Or too many problems building up at once and he snapped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 26, 2015 there was Lufthansa protests about labour policy of company days before money troubles ? when you have 2 kids and you love them, you will even go to work in mc donald to feed them, young pilot would find job anywhere - pilot is elite job, so he was not threatened with mc donald job , moreover - kids, kids are stopping from suicide, because normal human being (not psychopat) cares about his family more than anyone else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
