Germanwings Airbus A320 Crashes in France

[ProfTournesol 956]

Why would he want to kill so many people while committing suicide ? A revenge against the company ?

[vilas 477]

revenge against company - but if there are 2 kids - noone would leave kids (at least in our culture where kid is holy object of love and care)

people take extra jobs if you have kids and need money - i know guys working 12 h 6 days a week because of kids

[slatts 1978]

there was Lufthansa protests about labour policy of company days before

money troubles ? when you have 2 kids and you love them, you will even go to work in mc donald to feed them, young pilot would find job anywhere - pilot is elite job, so he was not threatened with mc donald job , moreover - kids, kids are stopping from suicide

Not trying to start an argument over it Vilas, but just because you have kids doesn't mean people won't commit suicide. 3 years ago a neighbour of mine went out to his shed while his two kids and wife were asleep and set the shed on fire.

But I get were you are trying to come from. But you never know what goes on inside a persons head when they think suicide is the only answer. Maybe he believed his family could get life insurance money from his death.

[ProfTournesol 956]

revenge against company - but if there are 2 kids - noone would leave kids (at least in our culture where kid is holy object of love and care)

No one normal, for sure :)

[Nicholas 5]

Maybe he believed his family could get life insurance money from his death.

This is a very high possibility. Good thinking Slatts.

[ProfTournesol 956]

This is a very high possibility. Good thinking Slatts.

Nope, suicide is excluded from the life insurance conditions IIRC

[vilas 477]

as said above - it is excluded - moreover , pilot KNOWS insurance and KNOWS that black box (orange box) records all, pilot know that insurance won't be paid

[slatts 1978]

Nope, suicide is excluded from the life insurance conditions IIRC

What I'm thinking is maybe, he thought he could make it look like an accident. Since when you're in that state of mind you don't think so clearly and forget the truth will more than likely come out.

[vilas 477]

pilot is not "yo, gangsta , street-wise hero" with primary school education from "neighborhood" ,

the moment when other pilot knocks at the door - he knows it is recorded, he knows that parameters are recorded, such as switching off autopilot on route altitude , another issue is why steward was not backup when other pilot goes to WC ? afaik such procedures (i have in my office one guy who is amateur pilot on small planes like Cesna or Piper) stewaredess must go and replace second seat if pilot has to go to WC, moreover, autopilot is ON,

switching it off is recorded, which excludes thinking about suicide for insurance,

i can bet there was no life insurance more than standard company insurance

[Tonci87 163]

pilot is not "yo, gangsta , street-wise hero" with primary school education from "neighborhood" ,

the moment when other pilot knocks at the door - he knows it is recorded, he knows that parameters are recorded, such as switching off autopilot on route altitude , another issue is why steward was not backup when other pilot goes to WC ? afaik such procedures (i have in my office one guy who is amateur pilot on small planes like Cesna or Piper) stewaredess must go and replace second seat if pilot has to go to WC, moreover, autopilot is ON,

switching it off is recorded, which excludes thinking about suicide for insurance,

i can bet there was no life insurance more than standard company insurance

In Germany it isn´t required that a stewardess replaces a pilot when he leaves the cockpit....

And not only in Germany, according to the Lufthansa CEO this isn´t required anywhere in europe and no european airline does that.

[slatts 1978]

Nah I get that. I get that the chances of him getting away with it are very slim. I'm just trying to think up reasons of why he felt he should crash the plane, but I guess (and hope) none of us will ever feel the way he did.

[Nicholas 5]

Nope, suicide is excluded from the life insurance conditions IIRC

But we still don't know if something happened to him. We don't even know if he was conscious. All they heard on the recordings was him breathing, but that doesn't determine whether or not he was unconscious or conscious. I don't know. I think he deliberately did it, maybe trying to get life insurance money. There isn't any evidence that he did do it deliberately though.

[ProfTournesol 956]

But we still don't know if something happened to him. We don't even know if he was conscious. All they heard on the recordings was him breathing, but that doesn't determine whether or not he was unconscious or conscious.

Well, locking the door and making the plane go down doesn't seem to be something that can be done unconsciously.

[Nicholas 5]

Well, locking the door and making the plane go down doesn't seem to be something that can be done unconsciously.

Added this to my previous post: I don't know. I think he deliberately did it, maybe trying to get life insurance money. There isn't any evidence that he did it deliberately though (Yet).

They need that other black box that contains all the other information like control systems...

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We also don't know if the pilot actually typed in the code on the keypad to get in, all was heard was him banging on the door. We also didn't hear the door alarm in the cockpit, which should have been audible.

[ProfTournesol 956]

They heard the cabine phone IIRC.

Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr has described the entry mechanism of the cockpit door.

"There is another code you can enter at the door which will lead to a bell ringing and if nobody reacts, the door will open automatically and allow entry," he said.

But he added that this can be blocked from the cockpit by pushing a switch that will lock the door for five minutes.

"Either the captain didn't enter the code correctly - which we find unlikely because everybody involved knows this code by heart - or the colleague had entered the code and the co-pilot prevented the door from opening by pushing the lock switch," said Mr Spohr.

So the door block must be intentional.

Edited March 26, 2015 by ProfTournesol

[Nicholas 5]

They heard the cabine phone IIRC.

So the door block must be intentional.

Must have missed that. I've been saying this whole time that I agree it was deliberate. Check out my previous posts. I'm just trying to figure out the "why".

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But as I've previously said numerous times. Absolutely NOTHING can be confirmed until they find the contents of the other black box.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Must have missed that. I've been saying this whole time that I agree it was deliberate. Check out my previous posts. I'm just trying to figure out the "why".

But as I've previously said numerous times. Absolutely NOTHING can be confirmed until they find the contents of the other black box.

Oops, sorry, i thought you were doubting about the fact he could have been conscious or not. My mistake.

[Nicholas 5]

How To Lock and Unlock Airbus A320 Cockpit Door

[mistyronin 1181]

If it was done deliberately, I just can't understand it. It would be extremely pointless.

[vilas 477]

maybe he was hidden terrorist,

there are sleeping agents , stay-behind agents etc.

maybe he was psychopath planning something like this for years , never know

world has 7 bilion of humans, 1% is told to be psychopaths , which gives army of 70 milions of psychopaths in globe , humanity because of "humanism" doesn't eliminate them, so sometimes 99% pays price for 1% they felt sorry for,

we put schizophrenic people to mad-houses when they are danger, not by default,

but we do nothing with much more dangerous psychopaths untill they will kill someone (or maybe cause 90% of banksters, lawyers, generals, politicians are such guys), sorry but politicall correctness and "human rights" of few scumbags sometimes cause a lot of innocent pain and lives,

some never show real face till they have occasion etc.

guy who trains to be pilot , locks door and when he has occasion , crash plane killing 150 people is not sane, there were such acts before, matter is to find next one before such action, i believe that psychologist should eliminate from jobs people who are irresponsible for human life (all transportation business, water cleaning facility, food industry, medical industry), i do not know how it is realized in pilot-schools,

Edited March 26, 2015 by vilas

[call_911 10]

Auto-pilot was reset to 100 ft...such a waste an sad loss of life 8(

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

[mike@uk 0]

I know that investigators are always under a lot of pressure to find answers as soon as possible, but I'm surprised that they would come out and accuse someone of mass murder after only a few days of investigating, that seems like the sort of thing you'd need to be very sure about, having at least spent some time ruling out the alternatives, regardless of how unlikely.

[vilas 477]

I know that investigators are always under a lot of pressure to find answers as soon as possible, but I'm surprised that they would come out and accuse someone of mass murder after only a few days of investigating, that seems like the sort of thing you'd need to be very sure about, having at least spent some time ruling out the alternatives, regardless of how unlikely.

they had to do it, why so fast ? because internet was so full of suspicious theories like "was pilot a converted to Islam?" (and of course would be good to know his religion) it was also my first though, that hidden jihadist made it because European converts are among first to go to Syria to fight together with ISIS,

so they had to release data fast to show it was not terrorist act connected with Islam to avoid tension, so they made good - they avoided tensions , holding informations would only make conspiracy theories like "governments hide truth because of political correctness",

now question remains - why young man who just made dream of elite job, is not ugly, has 2 kids, has money - commits suicide , if he had "depression" (a little mental illness) than why he was allowed to fly (or what to do to fight depression, was mother of his children guilty of his depression etc, if he had depression than it is because in our time there is too big pressure on succes, money, look , competition and many young man commit suicide cause "they are not the best, as others would want them to be") etc.

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media gossips say he had depression because woman cheated him - another result of too much freedom for woman nowadays (a lot of suicides of man vs females, in my country for 5200 suicides of men you have 800 women and 1/3 of man because of women, another 1/3 of man because of lack of money (lack of money = lack of sex too, cause women love for money) cause they found someone more handsome while normal man cannot live without sex everyday, at least in one thing Muslim civilisation is better than ours - there you do not have problems of loneliness of decent and shy man (as a cost of suffering of women), cause in our civilisation women always will leave "good not drinking family guy" in favor of "bad boy, bodybuilded moron from techno party") because of culture, movies etc.

being alone and cheated may destroy whole life, than i understand a level of desperation than can make brain blind and not look on anything else (family and sexual life is very important, Maslow piramyde of needs),

in past conservative values were promoting family with honest man and shy polite wife, nowadays mtv promotes gangsters and shy decent man have often problem and are alone for years,

plus there is very big pressure on being attractive instead of being honest - which makes problems and often crush world of values which we believed "because parents told so and world is opposite to what parents told us"

such problems can cause as we see problems around (similar to school shootings where abused lonely teenager seeks for revenge, people look at him as evil while he first was victim and noone helped him)

here mechanism is not as in school shootings but little similar,

man should not drive machine being in such desperate state because of some slut , i wonder what is situation of those 2 kids, maybe she left him for another guy (lets say handsome lad) and took children and for our pilot only thing that left was alimony sentence ? such scheme is also known - woman finds rich "sucker" , has child, tooks child and moves to unemployed handsome lad, and lives from alimony from rich "sucker" with good heart

this should be investigated too for psychological knowledge (although it is also another piece of knowledge which results in non-politically correct answers)

another photos of this man were published in Polish press - he was average , he looks like intelligent calm person, not like bodybuilded hooligan for which women love to leave "good guys", i know person who commited suicide because of woman thats why i know some more in this area, cause one of my friends had such problem some years ago, but he was in much worse situation, cause this pilot had money :/

so important is what happened with those 2 kids told by press , police looks for that women, maybe we gonna know more

i know things i say sound shocking, but in psychology and avoiding tragedies such politically not correct stuff is important no matter if one like it or not

but such tragedies are rather not to be avoided, hardly impossible to counter-react,

hardly impossible to even foresee, very sad situation

Edited March 27, 2015 by vilas
new facts from press

[Tonci87 163]

Vilas, your views on the world are sometimes really backwards... Too much freedom for women, really?

[vilas 477]

as result you have suicides, so my view is just sad realistic look at reality as is, without pink glases, i know some about similar suicides and i know few people who comit/tried suicide, in my country you have 5000 men vs 800 females suicide rate, maybe in other countries it is the same, 30% due to loneliness , plus lost of conservative values causing ...

now something REAL from last days, my friend is policeman, he told me following story (this is not fucking joke)

they arrested drug dealer few days ago near to my block of flats, during flat searching they found... a teenage girl, she was ca. 17 (not adult yet, in PL you are adult > 18),

they checked her data, she was ... reported to be missing,

she escaped from parents 2 weeks ago, they reported to police missing daughter, police looked for her,

but she was in flat of drug dealer, what she told in investigation ?

"my parents are suckers and loosers, he was someone noble, he is awsome"

guy is drug dealer, whom are her "looser, sucker, noone" parents? mother is veterinary, father is clerk "they are boring suckers, loosers",

drug dealer is all body tatooed, he is "someone noble, awsome"

there you go freedom of choice, as IT (3d, 2d, coding) i am also "noone, looser, booring"

this cause sometimes frustration such big as this pilot's one - look at psychological roots of problem, sometimes week without sex can cause agression act of male ,

solving such problems in modern western society is impossible

i am conservative, so i can be backward ;) i've grown in the world where honesty, not drinking were values to find myself in era where it means "you are sucker" < some people cannot stand change of values as he or guys from school shootings which for example were abused by girls cause they are too short or ugly, etc.

we should not demean ugly or short or weak people - this is lesson universal from school shootings too

of course he made evil act of mass murder - but i say about ROOT of problem, not about what happened as effect of his dammaged nervers/mood/pshycho/ego whatever

our civilisation pushes us to be beauty, the best, winners of contests etc. and on top and fashioble - some cannot stand it

the same works in addons - when there is rats race and money contest - some leave ;)

when there is rats race in humankind - love dies, people go to desperate movements ,

there is more and more depression noted by doctors

where from you have so much depression growing ?

read what doctors say about people , there is growing number of shizophrenia, depression in modern societies, there is growing constant overwork syndrome etc.

https://www.google.pl/search?q=growing+number+of+depression&oq=growing+number+of+depression&aqs=chrome..69i57.6035j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=growing+number+of+suicide+loneliness

google youself "growing number depresssion suicides loneliness" etc.

this is one of our civilisation problems we now encouter as males, such things were not present during youth of my grandfathers

have you ever read female forums ? cause i had and i read from time to time that "short men should be gas chambered" "bandits are the best lovers" and etc.

there is something very wrong with culture that allows and support jungle-law animal behavior against weaker so indeed i am backward cause i am not voting for it ;)

there is something wicked that you have such suicide problem among males

Edited March 27, 2015 by vilas