Bush is pushing too far

[foxer 0]

This is kinda like spam now.

American says:

He has this and that.They are hiding terrorist,He didn't like to UN.He wouldn't let the UN inspectors inspect.Bush is a great president,alot better then slick willy.Saddam is evil,and his sciencist said he's working on nukes and other crap.

Someone posts alink to an rush limbaugh site,That guy(rush) is stupid,did you know that rush said there is no such thing of global warming,when bush said there was.And probably more crap..

Israeli says:

he's evil,heres the evidence.

European says:

Where is the evidence.I hope alot of U.S./allies forces dies when they attack iraq.America wants war with everyone.With us against us is soo much bullcrap.Bush is a moron.Here's the reason why you shouldn't bomb iraq.OH GOD THe CIVILIANS.Bombs kill civilians.I'll be rooting for the iraqis.America has it,why haven't we attack america yet.Bush is hitler,america are bunch of nazis.

Americans that doesn't want to go after saddam say:

Bush just wants another war.This is all for elections,show me the proof.Look up

European that does want to go to war says :

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OTher stuff that being going on says:

You mods are as$holes,you commies mods,mods mods mods.....

Anyways blah.

[SirLoins 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Exactly. Talk is cheap. When confronted with the real deal, like now, they took the higher moral road. I am very glad for that.<span id='postcolor'>

When confromted with the real deal they stick their heads in the sand.

By the way folks. GWB has over a 70% approval rating right now. I know if he had a 70% disapproval rating, you all would have a hayday.

[Aaron Kane 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Sep. 21 2002,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is kinda like spam now.

American says:

He has this and that.They are hiding terrorist,He didn't like to UN.He wouldn't let the UN inspectors inspect.Bush is a great president,alot better then slick willy.Saddam is evil,and his sciencist said he's working on nukes and other crap.

Someone posts alink to an rush limbaugh site,That guy(rush) is stupid,did you know that rush said there is no such thing of global warming,when bush said there was.And probably more crap..

Israeli says:

he's evil,heres the evidence.

European says:

Where is the evidence.I hope alot of U.S./allies forces dies when they attack iraq.America wants war with everyone.With us against us is soo much bullcrap.Bush is a moron.Here's the reason why you shouldn't bomb iraq.OH GOD THe CIVILIANS.Bombs kill civilians.I'll be rooting for the iraqis.America has it,why haven't we attack america yet.Bush is hitler,america are bunch of nazis.

Americans that doesn't want to go after saddam say:

Bush just wants another war.This is all for elections,show me the proof.Look up

European that does want to go to war says :

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OTher stuff that being going on says:

You mods are as$holes,you commies mods,mods mods mods.....

Anyways blah.<span id='postcolor'>

lol, sad but true

[Guest]

Read this, you might find it interesting:

http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2002/0209bushspeech.html

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way folks.  GWB has over a 70% approval rating right now.  I know if he had a 70% disapproval rating, you all would have a hayday<span id='postcolor'>

Who ever said that the great masses were intelligent?

Also it is evident that there are many people in the States that disapprove of an invasion of Iraq. This includes many members of your congress.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 21 2002,03:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way folks.  GWB has over a 70% approval rating right now.  I know if he had a 70% disapproval rating, you all would have a hayday<span id='postcolor'>

Who ever said that the great masses were intelligent?<span id='postcolor'>

Quite. Some of the worst crimes have been popular in the eyes of the perpetrators. The Public isn't worth a fig, what matters is the facts.

[Die Alive 0]

Ya gotta bomb someone.

-=Die Alive=-

[SirLoins 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who ever said that the great masses were intelligent?

Also it is evident that there are many people in the States that disapprove of an invasion of Iraq. This includes many members of your congress.

Edited by denoir on Sep. 21 2002,03:47

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Just a point that if his ratings were in the sink you guys would make a big deal out of it.

And of course nobody in Sweden is for going after Saddam?

Do you think anyone on this forum is going to change anyone elses mind on this subject?

An endless circle of babble........myself included

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 21 2002,03:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Exactly. Talk is cheap. When confronted with the real deal, like now, they took the higher moral road. I am very glad for that.<span id='postcolor'>

When confromted with the real deal they stick their heads in the sand.

By the way folks.  GWB has over a 70% approval rating right now.  I know if he had a 70% disapproval rating, you all would have a hayday.<span id='postcolor'>

For the record...

Clinton was every bit as much a twonk as Bush is

The thing is, Clinton was engaged in padding his friends pockets (Something Bush does too... pork belly politics is not partycentric) and trying to get a little action.  

Bush is trying to make war on Iraq for a lot of half baked reasons, with virtually non existant rationale.  

Bash Clinton as much as you like, but boffing Monica Lewinsky is more a matter of bad taste.  Unlike Bush pushing for an action that will kill thousands of innocent civilians, as well as many American servicemen.  Considering how uptight the public gets when even one US serviceman dies, I cant imagine how fast a 70% approval rating will plummet when the pine boxes start coming home in greater numbers.

Now...there is one concept that we may all be ignoring:

How do we know that the US isnt in close contact with a cabal of high level Iraqi Generals?  The US starts a token action against Iraq, and these generals bump Saddam and his whole family off in order to install a US friendly regime.  That is about the only thing that I can remotely see that would rationalize the lunacy of the Bush administration.

[edc 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also it is evident that there are many people in the States that disapprove of an invasion of Iraq<span id='postcolor'>

Whoever said that great masses were inteligent?

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Sep. 21 2002,04:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also it is evident that there are many people in the States that disapprove of an invasion of Iraq<span id='postcolor'>

Whoever said that great masses were inteligent?<span id='postcolor'>

Heh, the great masses would be the majority and a majority supports Bush according to Lions.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is kinda like spam now.

American says:

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Israeli says:

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European says:

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What is interesting about these discussions (besides knowing that you are right ) is that people find different sources for backing up their statements. It is always interesting reading those. You also force yourself reading up on the subject.

Before I got involved with this forum I didn't know how deep the split between Europe and USA was. Since WW2, Europe and USA have always more or less gone hand in hand, but not now.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OTher stuff that being going on says:

You mods are as$holes,you commies mods,mods mods mods.....

<span id='postcolor'>

Well, those things don't usually last very long for some reason

[SirLoins 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For the record...

Clinton was every bit as much a twonk as Bush is

The thing is, Clinton was engaged in padding his friends pockets (Something Bush does too... pork belly politics is not partycentric) and trying to get a little action.

Bush is trying to make war on Iraw for a lot of half baked reasons, with virtually non existant rationale.

Bash Clinton as much as you like, but boffing Monica Lewinsky is more a matter of bad taste. Unlike Bush pushing for an action that will kill thousands of innocent civilians, as well as many American servicemen. Considering how uptight the public gets when even one US serviceman dies, I cant imagine how fast a 70% approval rating will plummet when the pine boxes start coming home in greater numbers.

Now...there is one concept that we may all be ignoring:

How do we know that the US isnt in close contact with a cabal of high level Iraqi Generals? The US starts a token action against Iraq, and these generals bump Saddam and his whole family off in order to install a US friendly regime. That is about the only thing that I can remotely see that would rationalize the lunacy of the Bush administration.

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I agree with some of that (Bill Clinton is a twonk)

Warin, you and so many others underestimate the American people when it comes to bodybags. Yes, you hear the media spout that line over and over but this country has been through it before and it will endure again, if need be.

Plus, I recall the great "Mother of all battles." As I recall, it was hourdes of Saddams army kissing the feet of American soldiers begging for their lives.

Your last statement is a possibility, but lunacy? Maybe you underestimate our great leader

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 21 2002,04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I agree with some of that (Bill Clinton is a twonk)

Warin, you and so many others underestimate the American people when it comes to bodybags.  Yes, you hear the media spout that line over and over but this country has been through it before and it will endure again, if need be.  

Plus, I recall the great "Mother of all battles."  As I recall, it was hourdes of Saddams army kissing the feet of American soldiers begging for their lives.  

Your last statement is a possibility, but lunacy?  Maybe you underestimate our great leader

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How do we underestimate America? I dont doubt for a moment that anyone in the US Armed Services will go to war, do their best, and give their life if that is what is needed. I do however think that the futilit that was Vietnam did, to an extent, sensitize the general US public to seeing US Servicemen coming home in body bags. Is this a bad thing?

As for George W Bush, Great Leader... are you attempting to educate us in the subtleties of the ironic oxymoron?

This is another interesting article, and I had to chuckle at the following two quotes...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bush's "Road to Baghdad" conversion to multilateralism can be timed quite precisely to the previous week. Perhaps not since the enemy changed from Eastasia to Eurasia in mid oration in George Orwell's 1984 has there been such an abrupt change of line. Until then most of Bush's administration were threatening unilateral mayhem against Iraq--and then Defense Secretary Rumsfeld pulled his already delivered article from the Washington Post in the first signal that things had changed.

Bush justified some suspicion of how superficial and expedient his new line is the day after his speech, when he guffawed at the suggestion that the U.S. Congress could in any way be influenced by the UN's decisions.

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and

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even more surprisingly, the President did not once mention "Axis of Evil" and with memorable chutzpah promoted Iran from being one its components to be the first victim of Iraqi aggression and a continuing victim of "terrorist" groups hosted by Baghdad.

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Ahhh...the wonders of modern Media. A persons every comment is in plain view for anyone with sense to see. Strange that Iran has managed to go from Axis of Evil to victim, isnt it?

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KingBeast @ Sep. 21 2002,01:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And im sure if the Welsh had the nuclear bomb, they would use it too. But they dont, so whats the problem? Perhaps Britain should marh into wales and bombs Cardiff all in the name of prevention. You see, you cannot go to war with someone on the grounds that "they might do something" or "they would do something if they got the chance"<span id='postcolor'>

I just can't resist

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">DUBYA: So what state is Wales in?

CHURCH: It’s a separate country next to England.

DUBYA: Oh, okay.

-- Exchange between Dubya and Welsh teenage singing sensation Charlotte Church, as reported in MSNBC, Oct. 30, 2001<span id='postcolor'>

Taken from http://www.dubyaspeak.com/, a great site. Look especially under "Dubya the Geographer"

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better.

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Dubya is from some other planet.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If the East Timorians decide to revolt, I'm sure I'll have a statement.

-- Quoted by Maureen Dowd in the New York Times, June 16, 1999<span id='postcolor'>

LMAO

Wonder what it would be...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's Washington. That's the place where you find people getting ready to jump out of the foxholes before the first shot is fired.

-- Westland, Michigan, Sept. 8, 2000<span id='postcolor'>

I'm going to pass out from laughing! That's too much.

[MDRZulu 0]

You wont see me say this much but it looks like he is loosing it to me. Most of the people I know think that he is going a bit crazy also and they dont trust him.

[NavyEEL 0]

hahaha omg u guys crack me up and scare me at the same time. dubya is going insane? you guys were probably the same ones who reelected bill clinton, and were disappointed when gore lost even after trying to count the ballots in his favor. no bush may not be a genius, but why does everyone always have to point out his faults? everyone has faults, at least his isn't one where he's sleeping around in the white house. and why is everyone so scared about us going to war? its not like you care about the military when we're at peace, so why should you all of a sudden act scared that they could lose their lives? the UN has been sitting on their asses, they're more of a burden than a help. the UN is basically the US helping everybody, except that we can't help ourselves without everyone else's say-so. yes we're going to war with iraq, no bush cannot be compared to hitler, and yes he is quite possibly the best president we've had in a LONG time.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @ Sep. 20 2002,23:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no bush cannot be compared to hitler<span id='postcolor'>

That's what you think... you can't tell people what they can compare. I'm going to compare my penis to him right now. So what.

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 21 2002,05:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you can't tell people what they can compare.  I'm going to compare my penis to him right now.  So what.  <span id='postcolor'>

LOL thanx for that, a funny reward for me having to read a boring thread

[SirLoins 0]

With all due respect to all you Bush haters on this forum. Your guys attitude makes me sick. I cannot continue to try to defend him. You may continue with you moronic attempts to belittle my president. It will have no effect on me other than reinforcing the fact that you guys just don't get it.

You obviously lack the ability to recognize character. I won't play your little game.

You guys pretend to play the righteous role of your better than everyone else club. Your bias is obvious.

The mods here are like no others I've seen. You guys should get a job at Rueter. They could use more people that refuse to use the word TERRORIST.

You speak of other peoples perspective, yet you fail to believe any but your own.

Your bleading heart, socialistic, peacenik attitudes are quite frankly scary. I hope you guys are right, cause if we are right, it won't matter anymore unless we do something about it now.

I guess the fact that George Bush is the object of your alls hatred is the fact that without the United States of America, the world would be in sad shape. Eventually, all of your countries come crying to the United States. Whether for money, military help, or our influence on world matters.

Yes we are the policemen of the world. Aren't you lucky.

Without us, Russia, or China, or God forbid, your beloved Hitler, may have ruled the world.

Your little gang of about 10 or 12 guys here feed off of one another bias like sharks in a feeding frenzy. Your ignorance of America and George Bush is understandable. You can't understand what it's like being American, so I won't try to explain.

The few Americans here that side with you guys are a minority in this country. Believe me. I pity your guys attitude, but I respect them. (Tex, your a fucking liberal. I used language you can understand)

So have fun with you Bush bash.

I have deep respect for the man. I know the man. I have met the man. I have talked to the man. I have seen him from a prospective you'll never be lucky enough to have.

So I need not defend what I know is right.

You guys have fun.

Your bullshit bores me.

Can't we talk about something important, like, what's your favorite color, or do you wear your penis on the left, or the right. Or do you have the balls to accept the fact that, with or without your countries, we will once again, save the fucking planet from a madman.

The gloves are off boys.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL thanx for that, a funny reward for me having to read a boring thread<span id='postcolor'>

I know, I can't beleive I sat down two hours ago and started reading this crap and all the links. (which were informative and funny for the most part)

I want two hours of my life back!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Without us, Russia, or China, or God forbid, your beloved Hitler, may have ruled the world<span id='postcolor'>

Let's not start with the whole "The U.S. won WW1 and 2 by itself" garbage.

Blah, I can't even comment on the Iraq situation after reading the whole thread in one sitting, it's all been said.

Tyler

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 21 2002,06:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The few Americans here that side with you guys are a  minority in this country.  Believe me.  I pity your guys attitude, but I respect them.  (Tex, your a fucking liberal.  I used language you can understand)

So have fun with you Bush bash.

I have deep respect for the man.  I know the man.  I have met the man.  I have talked to the man.  I have seen him from a prospective you'll never be lucky enough to have.

So I need not defend what I know is right.  

You guys have fun.

Your bullshit bores me.

Can't we talk about something important, like, what's your favorite color, or do you wear your penis on the left, or the right.  Or do you have the balls to accept the fact that, with or without your countries, we will once again, save the fucking planet from a madman.

The gloves are off boys.<span id='postcolor'>

you crossed the line SirLoins. 24hr post restriction.

you can't seem to accept the difference between bashing someone's political stance and that of person's self.

[foxer 0]

This guy is getting owned,Soo i'm going help him....

If it was clinton/gore in office he probably would have an easier time with countries supporting a war on iraq.

Also only like 56% of america public wants to attack iraq.I believe that we should give the inspectors atleast 6 months ,and if he not letting them in,then we should go get him.Why do we have to bomb X amount of countries,heck we already got a war going on now,let's not start another one.I don't wanna be drafted to get my legs blown off or gas.It's true that iraq has chemical weapons,But if you think he won't use them when we attack iraq,you are nuts.First person he will hit with his chemical weapons is israel,then US/ALLies forces.What i believe is ask saddam what palace he wants to keep for his owned,then bomb the rest of them to nothing.Because i know no one needs 20 something palaces when there is a family of mexicans living in a shack somewhere.So he's got to be hiding something in those palaces.Or we could wait until the cia finds him and kill him with a bomb.Not send thousands of soldiers in to get gas.

You can't really compare bush to hitler.

Check this out about saddam and other stuff.

"ORDERS MURDERS

Two daughters and sons-in-law defect to Jordan, but later return to Iraq on promises of forgiveness. Saddam Hussein has the men killed; his wife protests bitterly, and is placed under house arrest."

[foxer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Sep. 21 2002,07:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 21 2002,06:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The few Americans here that side with you guys are a  minority in this country.  Believe me.  I pity your guys attitude, but I respect them.  (Tex, your a fucking liberal.  I used language you can understand)

So have fun with you Bush bash.

I have deep respect for the man.  I know the man.  I have met the man.  I have talked to the man.  I have seen him from a prospective you'll never be lucky enough to have.

So I need not defend what I know is right.  

You guys have fun.

Your bullshit bores me.

Can't we talk about something important, like, what's your favorite color, or do you wear your penis on the left, or the right.  Or do you have the balls to accept the fact that, with or without your countries, we will once again, save the fucking planet from a madman.

The gloves are off boys.<span id='postcolor'>

you crossed the line SirLoins. 24hr post restriction.

you can't seem to accept the difference between bashing someone's political stance and that of person's self.<span id='postcolor'>

that's not fair,when someone said something else,which was worst....

And if I had a little magic button to kill all US army and Govt at that time maybe I would, maybe not, but it's a possiblility.  

I'll be watching the war how ever I can just hoping you guys get your ass kicked around a bit.  And I hope if Iraq is attacked like that, that they get to use all the weapons they have efficiently!

When someone said that.It's wishing bad things on people,and we know there is people in the US military that posts here.Sure you can add a smiling face behind what you say,but if i'm killing you and smiling does that make it right ?  

--edit**

Also it's like me saying i hope bunch iraqi civilians die,only if had that magic button i could make it happen.But would i do it?

All i can hope for is lots of civilian deaths in iraq,soo we can kill bunch of them people.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What i believe is ask saddam what palace he wants to keep for his owned,then bomb the rest of them to nothing.Because i know no one needs 20 something palaces when there is a family of mexicans living in a shack somewhere<span id='postcolor'>

What?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Not send thousands of soldiers in to get gas.<span id='postcolor'>

You don't have to send soldiers to Iraq to get gas, there is plenty over here at your local gas station. I know the prices are a bit high but sheesh.........