Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL/Daesh) Discussion

[vilas 473]

there are few problems :

1) Kurds that since ages do not have their own country, while ethnically they live on borders of several countries in that region

2) war in Syria makes refugee problem to other countries (and Greece taking revenge on Germany by allowing any refugee to cross border of EU),

3) total inability to connect islamic hardcore part (jihadists, salafists, sharia-lovers etc) with terrorism in elites ruling world, 

4) lack of total border between our civilisation and their civilisation, entering of their civilisation to our (minorities which in case of WW3 can be fifth column here)

 

war in Syria happens for one main reason - islamists (not some part of muslims who in fact are half-secular like many of us) want to create caliphate, they spread across all Middle East and Africa after "Arab Spring", because west believed that democracy also works in societies, when religion-hardcore is majority , 

voting in system where 51% want to slaughter 49% will turn into hell on earth for those 49%, rights of minority in such case can be protected only by dictatorship (question is how much we value freedom/democracy and how much minority rights and which minority, all minorities or just selected groups) , and if that majority is good for us and our business or not (because they gonna buy a-bomb and blow up us), 

 

US plays here strange role, cause helping jihadists harms Europe, 

it is really strange, 

Syria is Russian ally, US helped jihadists saying that Assad is dictator, than jihadists started to fight, to set islamic sharia caliphate (form of state, not I.S. from Iraq), so it looks like "US argue with Russia, by the way Europe is destroyed as collateral damage" but also EU elites act like they wanted war

 

i think that if you look at it "as good man perspective" - you do not understand and all is not logical what superpowers and elites do

because "good decent man" looks "why it is such strange, why they do not agree"

 

i look at this from "conspiracy theory" point of view, elites of our globe want WW3, question how we - usual citizens who gonna suffer in case of WW3 and aftermath "Year 1984" - stop elites 

now people may laugh from "conspiracy theory", but when in 1940 Polish underground reported to Allies existence of death camps - they also not believed and called it colorized and exaggerated, JFK, different false flag operations, etc. 

 

issue is also in position of Iran, China "after WW3" how much do they gain (because others will loose)

 

thats why such strange things happen

for usual native european the best solution is to keep homogenic native country, set a huge thick wall around country and not let enter anything different - and protect with arms any changes, 

only sitting in bunker guarantee safety, 

 

but when you are safe, you want to have all luxury (freedoms, social care, benefits, medical care, safe streets) and it costs , so it is funded from taxes, 

now lets back in history for 200, 300 years

people also paid taxes, yes? 

yes

where taxes were than going ?

for luxury life of king, nobles, bishops, 

and this is the answer - who gained on our modern democratic western secular lifestyle,

and who "lost" (if you have 1 private jet, you feel frustrated, cause in oligarchy or feudal system you could have 10 private jets, you cannot kidnap and rape beauty supermodel , but if you were king 400 years ago you could),

 

thats why politicians want create mess, the more mess, the better, mixed societies (multiculti) have different goals - they do not UNITE !!! 

if there is problem - they do not unite , Polish homogenic society in 1980s created "Solidarity" among 38 milions of Poles, 10 milions were members of Solidarity (what if kids or retired people be there? )

so every second ADULT working man was there - it was UNITY of society vs government

in USA people have guns to guarantee freedom if government is against them, 

what to do to kill unity ?

diverse, divide, mix people 

what Stalin did ? he pushed one ethnic group against other, he gave one ethnic group some benefits, than this group acted against other group, 

mixed people were unable to create one united movement, 

 

so politicians want to mix us

 

what is next step to create Year 1984 reality ? who would vote for it ? noone sane

so how to change system - there is war needed , thats why they want war, after war  , after riots on streets, civil war, very violent streets - people will demand police state, 

great - lets make low sentences, let put rapists on street, let put gangsters on street - people will demand more effective police , than great - enter tyranny,

 

what destroyed tyranny in past centuries (all revolutions) ? 

a homogenized societies, 

so if tyranny will be back after WW3, will mixed society who has many groups having different goal will make new revolution ? nope

 

thats why it is so important to keep homogenic west, 

in case of WW3 who would gain the most ?

USA - selling weapons, giving credits (fake money created on accounts by banksters)

i do not know about China, Iran , Saudi Arabia (need for oil even at much bigger price)

maybe also Russia would gain by "saving others" - which of course others do not want, 

also Israel benefits are important,

 

future is scary, what happens in Middle East, hits EU every day (refugee flood hitting economy of EU, benefits , budgets and destroying homogenic )  in case when Zhyrinovsky-like mad nationalist from Russia would try annex other countries, no allies be able to stand against, 

 

EU elites forget about one and most important case, defending outside border, 

for us (Europe) it really no matters if there is Assad or Caliphate (from the perspective of refugee flood problem) IF we would have outside border kept strong, because in both situations there are refugees, 

maybe even jihadists would guarantee there lower flood of migrants (and extreme would remain there , not moving )

presence of Russian troops there would not be too good, because of course more jihad extreme will get ass kicked, but.... but when I.S. falls, than all this extreme locust crawl around, also to EU and make terrorist act from time to time here, 

it is better to keep extreme as far as possible , thanx to I.S. many cycos left our countries, 

if they are far, we can bomb them and destroy them,  once they do movement in our direction, 

if they mix here, we will have cut throat on our own street, 

 

conspiracy theory of president of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko , he said that Putin want enter Syria to create more and more refugees and later "save" Europe,

it is of course Petro Poroshenko words, but question how Russian fight with ISIS will effect in refugee flood in soon future, because truth is that noone in EU thinks about setting wall that Saudi Arabia set on its border, 

 

there may be simpler explanation - Russia want to show they fight terrorism and than sanctions will be cut as gratefulness and everyone would forget about Ukrainian case next year  and US try to prevent it ? 

 

but maybe simply US do not want some islamic world part to be stronger than other, cause they would do coalition, build atomic bomb and make religion-motivated armageddon ,

maybe US is ally of Saudi and Assad is against Saudis 

 

it is all messed , but war there is bringing us refugee problem here

[vilas 473]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/head-of-italian-bishops-conference-hits-wests-silence-on-muslim-persecution-of-christians

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/on-10th-anniversary-of-publication-of-muhammad-cartoons-danish-newspaper-submits-reprints-original-page-without-cartoons

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/uk-convert-to-islam-threw-acid-in-face-of-mother-of-six-leaving-her-disfigured-and-blind-in-one-eye

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/italy-muslim-who-had-been-deported-but-returned-slashes-throat-of-random-passerby

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/uk-muslim-who-ran-amok-with-knife-screaming-im-a-muslim-and-ill-chop-your-fing-head-escapes-deportation

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/australia-muslim-leader-of-impeccable-character-avoids-jail-after-raid-finds-weapons-islamic-state-flag-jihad-dvds-machete 

http://www.geo.tv/article-199173-Father-kills-daughter-with-sons-help-for-cooking-imperfect-roti#_

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3254582/ISIS-cut-healthy-captives-kidneys-corneas-drain-blood-transplants-forced-endure-daily-torture-reveals-prisoner-escaped-clutches.html

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/29-09-2015/132188-soros-0/(crazy George Soros wants EU to take milion muslims every year, i said it is NWO, one a top rich man living in USA tells Europe to pay, one of guys who destroyed our industries in 1989-1990  )

http://calgaryherald.com/news/national/radical-reality-homegrown-terrorism-in-canada-by-the-numbers

 

jihadists back from ISIS and they are not persecuted, another crazy 

[oxmox 73]

There hasn't been any confirmation of this from Beijing itself. Nor has there been any mention of this from any of the Mainland news networks, or on Weibo for that matter. So where did Comrade Morozov get his "well-known" information from?

 

And I find it rather hilarious how this tries to make it look like there's some sort of Eastern coalition backing the Kremlin, and that the U.S. should obviously join the "winning team" with the Russians in the lead...

 

Yeah, China did dement it.

[oxmox 73]

 

Maps are always interesting. We see why Assad is mainly fighting Syrian rebels (most of them being Islamist factions now), while he's hardly doing anything against IS. The only ones fighting IS, apart the Air strikes from the coalition, are the Kurds.

 

The map seems less precise, there are areas with several groups - white black stripes: IS, JN, Rebels.

You will find more precise maps from the same source (IWS) on their website.

 

--> What are these so called "rebels" anyway, radical Jihadists/Islamists/Salafists which remind on the Taliban.

 

The biggest rebel group around Damascus:

 

Jaysh al-Islam

formerly known as Liwa al-Islam or the Brigade of Islam, is a coalition of multiple Islamist and Salafist units involved in the Syrian Civil War.

Its primary base of operations are the Damascus neighbourhoods of Douma and Eastern Ghouta. Jaysh al-Islam is the largest rebel faction in the area,^[25] as was its predecessor. The group is part of the Islamic Front.

It cooperated and conducted joint operations with the Al-Nusra Front.

 

Liwa al-Islam was established by Zahran Alloush, the son of Saudi-based religious scholar Abdullah Mohammed Alloush, after Syrian authorities released him from prison in mid-2011 where he had been serving time for his Salafist activism.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaysh_al-Islam

 

 

 

--> Today I did read in the german press that Russian Airplanes did allegedly attack syrian rebels, which were defined as US-Allies in the headline.

When I read about these syrian rebels you can only shake your head what type of groups are suddenly reported as allies

or what type of rebels are they talking about ?.

 

In Afghanistan they lead a war since years against the Taliban which are aswell radical Islamists and in Syria such groups are suddenly allies ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Can we somehow resize images with forum functions )

 

[vilas 473]

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Chlopcy-do-tanca-i-do-Dramat-afganskich-bacza-bazi,wid,17879361,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=115af8

article about "bacha bazi" "tradition" - of pedophile rapes in Afghanistan

[oxmox 73]

Iraqi prime minister says he would ‘welcome’ Russian airstrikes in Iraq (Washington Post)

 

As Moscow deepens its military involvement in the region, Iraq appears to be increasingly looking east for assistance in its fight against Islamic State extremists, with Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi indicating Thursday that he would welcome a Russian bombing campaign.

 

In an interview with France 24 television, Abadi accused the U.S.-led coalition of a lack of support and questioned the will of Western leaders to defeat the Islamic State. He said Russian strikes were a “possibility†but had not been discussed.

 

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, however, that there are no plans for Russia to strike Islamic State militants in Iraq.

 

The U.S.-led coalition has been bombing Islamic State targets in Iraq for more than a year, but Iraqi officials have repeatedly complained that the efforts are insufficient to decisively turn back the militants.

 

“If we get the offer, we’ll consider it,†Abadi said in an interview in New York broadcast Thursday. “In actual fact, I would welcome it.â€

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iraqi-prime-minister-says-he-would-welcome-russian-airstrikes/2015/10/01/4177cf3c-684b-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html

 

 

@ Iraq is the main objective fighting IS in this US-led intervention with over 4000 confirmed airstrikes.

 

overview:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27838034

[ProfTournesol 956]

What could be Russia's goal to intervene in Iraq ?

[vilas 473]

What could be Russia's goal to intervene in Iraq ?

 

Iran enemy ?

[fn_Quiksilver 1633]

Finally Dear Leader Obama admits, "We're training ISIL"

 

[vilas 473]

some republicans joke that Obama is hidden muslim, fact is one, US co-organized "Arab Spring", and if fact US government is also responsible for that mess in Middle East, not only jihadists, shame Obama shame,

Obama is preseident who also wants to disarm americans, here he help jihadists, i think that most important for what happens in middle east will be new US president, it will be either much worse ot it will be shut fast,

problem is that also McCain met those guys from IS

[d_lukin 16]

Don't know in what topic to put that, in topic about Syria, or here,.. put here.

 

[oxmox 73]

Did you see similar maps about the current US-led airstrikes against IS in Syria and Iraq ?

[d_lukin 16]

Did you see similar maps about the current US-led airstrikes against IS in Syria and Iraq ?

 

A cursory search found this:

 

Map of the first round of U.S. and coalition strikes in Syria

 

 

 

Confirmed air strikes up to 30 September 2015

 

 

 

 

 

[oxmox 73]

Top Syrian Kurdish leader seems to back Russian airstrikes (WashingtonPost; 02/10)

 

In a recent interview, the leader of one of the main Kurdish factions in Syria indicated his tacit backing for the current rounds of Russian airstrikes, which are ostensibly aimed against the Islamic State, but appear to have also targeted other Syrian rebel factions.

 

"We will fight alongside whoever fights [the Islamic State]," said Salih Muslim, co-chair of the Democratic Union Party, or PYD, a leading Syrian Kurdish political organization. "We will stand alongside whoever battles the [islamic State] mentality."

 

Over the past year and a half, Syrian Kurdish militias have been on the frontline in the battle against the Islamic State, most famously seen in their bitter clashes over the city of Kobane, along the Turkish border. Those efforts also came with the support of U.S. airstrikes.

 

 

 

The Syrian Kurdish leader also didn't seem to mind suggestions that the Russian airstrikes were hitting other rebel factions who weren't the Islamic State. These include Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist militia linked to al-Qaeda.

 

I don’t believe that America will object because [Jabhat] al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham are no different than [the Islamic State]. They are all terrorist organizations and share the same radical mentality. [Jabhat] al-Nusra is on the US [state Department’s] list of terrorist organizations. ... But if they were to be pushed out, the remaining opposition groups â€” which are very weak, including those that are fighting alongside us, that are attached to the Free Syrian Army â€” will be strengthened.

 

........

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/02/top-syrian-kurdish-leader-seems-to-back-russian-airstrikes/

 

 

@d_lukin

alright, thx. Its similar what I found, just in general added bombings and not about current airstrikes..but nvm.

[oxmox 73]

U.S. Aims to Put More Pressure on ISIS in Syria (NYTimes; Oct. 4th)

The American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State has begun preparing to open a major front in northeastern Syria, aiming to put pressure on Raqqa, the terrorist group’s de facto capital, according to military and administration officials.

 

President Obama last week approved two important steps to set the offensive in motion over the coming weeks, officials said. Mr. Obama  ordered the Pentagon, for the first time, to directly provide ammunition and perhaps some weapons to Syrian opposition forces on the ground. He also endorsed the idea for an increased air campaign from an air base in Turkey, although important details still need to be worked out.

 

“The top-line message that I want everybody to understand is, we are going to continue to go after ISIL,†Mr. Obama told reporters. “We are going to continue to reach out to a moderate opposition.†

 

Whether the new approach can succeed remains to be seen. The Islamic State has proved to be more resilient to coalition attacks and adaptive in the face of international pressure than American officials anticipated — even managing to extend its reach and control in Syria and Iraq.

 

 

The new American-led push would be conducted far from the brunt of the Russian air campaign in western Syria. That Russian operation has been directed largely at Syrian groups that oppose President Bashar al-Assad, and is only nominally aimed at the Islamic State, American officials said.

 

With the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, presiding,

Mr. Kerry said: “We are now in position with France, Australia, Canada, Turkey and other coalition partners joining the campaign, to dramatically accelerate our efforts. This is what we will do.â€

 

 

In addition to increasing the number of anti-Islamic State fighters, the inclusion of Arab fighters eases Turkish concerns that the Syrian Kurds are becoming too influential in northern Syria.

The Arab wing of this ground force is called the Syrian Arab Coalition, a conglomeration of 10 to 15 groups whose total numbers range from 3,000 to 5,000 fighters, American officials said. They would fight alongside a larger Kurdish force in the northeast of as many as 25,000 fighters.

 

In addition, the United States and Turkey continue detailed planning to use Arab militias to close a 60-mile stretch of border from the Euphrates River west to Kilis.

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/05/world/middleeast/us-aims-to-put-more-pressure-on-isis-in-syria.html?referer=https:/www.google.com/&referer=

[ProfTournesol 956]

ISIS is executing once again Sunni tribesmen in Iraq :

 

(Vice News) Iraqi Tribal Chief Says the Islamic State Executed 70 Members of His Clan

 

 

Sheik Naim al-Gaood, the leader of the Albu Nimr tribe in Iraq's restive Anbar province, announced on Monday that the so-called Islamic State (IS) executed 70 people from his clan.

Speaking to Iraq's al-Shafaq news, al-Gaood said IS militants abducted his tribesman from the Thar Thar area just north of the contested city of Ramadi and killed them nearby on Sunday. It's not the first time that IS has targeted the Albu Nimr tribe. At least 200 tribesman were reportedly executed in October 2014 near the city of Hit, also in Anbar province. The Iraqi Ministry of Human Rights later said 322 people died in the massacre.

The Albu Nimr tribe has been a longstanding opponent of IS in Anbar, Iraq's largest province, which is located west of Baghdad and borders Syria, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. The clan was previously part of the "Awakening Councils," a Sunni militia that was formed to fight IS's predecessor al Qaeda in Iraq, and was a critical component of the US military's "surge" in 2007.

[vilas 473]

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,8771,title,Islamisci-w-Syrii-odcieli-12-latkowi-opuszki-palcow-a-potem-go-ukrzyzowali,wid,17893259,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=115b7b

islamists crusified kid because his father was christian

[spooky lynx 73]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1LqLEUzddU

Missile strike performed by ships of Caspian flotilia against ISIS targets.

[ProfTournesol 956]

No clue why there are using missiles when having so many planes, i suppose that's a way to show the force of the fleet.

[Tonci87 163]

You sure it was against ISIS? because Russia seems just to be striking whoever is currently in the way of Assads forces. By the way, is ISIS territory even within the reach of those missiles?

[spooky lynx 73]

No clue why there are using missiles when having so many planes, i suppose that's a way to show the force of the fleet.

Not to show the force but to test new missile systems and abilities of crews to perform such missions.

 

You sure it was against ISIS? because Russia seems just to be striking whoever is currently in the way of Assads forces. By the way, is ISIS territory even within the reach of those missiles?

Video title tells this. Unfortunately I don't belong to MoD senior stuff so I can't say what exact kind of islamists were real targets. As for the missile range - seems that they are capable to reach Syria.

[Dwarden 1124]

No clue why there are using missiles when having so many planes, i suppose that's a way to show the force of the fleet.

best weapon test in live conflict conditions plus free advertising to boost sales ...

btw. you can even see map with projected trajectory of those missiles ...

the flight path indicates those crossed air space of Iran, Iraq before entering Syria ...

[Tonci87 163]

Well Iran is cooperating with Russia in this, but Iraq? I guess Iraq has other problems that are more important.

[altis 12]

I hope the Russians obliterate as many as possible, friendly and non-friendly terrorist..

[schadler17 36]

Right now, ISIS and other rebel groups are just being used as toys by the US/Russian governments.

 

US is using them to fight against Assad/ISIS by arming/training them.

Russia is using them by killing them and helping Assad.

 

Its basically the US and Russia showing eachother what the other is capable of doing, but on a smaller level, and without using their own troops. Its also giving both sides an accurate simulation of using assets in a real world environment. If Russian ground troops deploy against ISIS/Syrian Rebels, I guarantee you'll start seeing more US/NATO armaments flowing into the rebels hands, let alone the ones that are already out there being used against Assads forces.