Why are much more people playing Arma 2?

[jgbtl292 0]

i have no problem with the alien wars looking CSAT soldiers if they form a small special group in the game. and when the normal soldiers looking a bit more with a normal uniform, clowes, vest and not a pilot helmet ^^

look the freaky helmet from the early french FELIN program - to expensive, to heavy, to impractical and is not in the program more ^^

[j4you 10]

i have no problem with the alien wars looking CSAT soldiers if they form a small special group in the game. and when the normal soldiers looking a bit more with a normal uniform, clowes, vest and not a pilot helmet ^^

look the freaky helmet from the early french FELIN program - to expensive, to heavy, to impractical and is not in the program more ^^

True!

If were just a little special force elite it's was....accetable something outside the standard equipment,but if that they are normal soldats ...the Special Corps what they will get? Exoskeleton and Plasma weapons?;)

[herpes 10]

Haven't noticed. I think Arma 3's population will get a big rise with the recent contest.

[jumpinghubert 49]

I like arma3 far more but the futuristic phantasy vehicle and weapon stuff is a complete immersion killer. I want back ak-47 & humvees in MP.

[jgbtl292 0]

i hope for an uniform and helmed replacement ^^ for csat and the alien wars combat uniform only for specialists

[eggbeast 3673]

here's a snapshot of one gaming clan (with about 100 members) - GITS.

we've been playing arma for years and years now.

I had made one of the most downloaded missions for A3 in the early days, but couldn't manage to maintain it with A3 code and classnames changing all the time. Very hard to write stuff in a shifting sand-box. So like a lot of modders I went back to A2 for an extended period. Personally I absolutely cannot play the non-real synthetic future scenario - it really aint my bag.

As a clan we have three factions going:

- some guys who make GITS domination and play it a lot

- some of us working on Evolution in Takistan and Unsung mod (2.6 massive workover due out soon with 6 new Evos I wrote)

- a lot of new folks playing dayZ who then played SA dayZ and now all exclusively play Altis Life (owing to the apparently prohibitive cost of bandwidth for the dayZ SA server)

the Sim players migrate between Domi on A3 and Evo on A2, and all the kids playing Altis Life keep annoying us by trying to get in our TS channels lol

so for me i would play A3 if unsung or a modern warfare equivalent makeover mod was available for it.

if i was playing it i'd release missions like the 50 or so i did for A2

lastly - i think the competition may have some value in driving innovation and content, but that remains to be seen.

Edited March 21, 2014 by eggbeast

[aviatormoser 6]

I will tell you why. Because of the monstrosity of the Opfor uniforms. Every time I look at their fucking weird helmets I want to be sick. And the Skeletor gloves. Who ever designed those needs to be shot. It's completely ruined the game for me.

Why and earth would you design the blufor and independent uniforms quite successfully and go "uh I know" , "I will just totally fuck up the design of Opfor Uniform just for the funnies". You know.. Because it's futuristic

Honestly, this sums up much of the immersion killer in A3.

[dwaight 17]

Maybe we'll see an increase if the real mods step over to ArmA 3.

[romanshell 11]

Because there's no DayZ and its derivations for Arma 3? If I take a look at the Arma 2 server list almost all servers are DayzEpoch/Wasteland or this "life thingy".

This.

You can even use the Arma2 content to get the same feel with a mod or if you feel anything is missing.

If you take away the people who want to run DayZ for free or from a mod, Arma2 has a terrible amount of servers, because all the good ones moved or at least ported to Arma3.

[eggbeast 3673]

all the good ones moved or at least ported to Arma3.

not sure i agree with this - a lot of experienced contributors have walked from A3 and are popping up in A2 in the last 6 months

[romanshell 11]

Arma3 has a different set of players/modders from Arma2.

If what you said is true, it's only a handful of those old disgruntled, "I dont want a new game where people don't recognize me because the community is larger, and because a lot of old bugs are fixed". People in Arma used to say they don't want to run Arma2 because it's too 'blurry' or 'clunky'. People in OFP didn't want to go to Arma (although to me, the deathmatch, tvt, clans, mods and community of OFP were/are in a league of their own). In the end those disgruntled people have to either adapt and move on to where the thriving players and the better engine is, leave, or try to hang on to what they have for as long as possible.. In the case of Arma2 old modders, a lot of them got mad because they were 'no longer needed' when Arma 3 came out and the community is different, with new players as well who never even heard of them, but that's about it. I find Arma3 to be the better game, and there's no problem using all of Arma2s content in Arma3's engine which runs smoother to me anyway. It just comes down to how idiotic a player wants to be as they cling on to their inferior tech.

Edited March 23, 2014 by romanshell

[nettrucker 142]

Arma3 has a different set of players/modders from Arma2. If what you said is true, it's only a handful of those old disgruntled, "I dont want a new game where people don't recognize me because the community is larger, and because a lot of old bugs are fixed". People in Arma used to say they don't want to run Arma2 because it's too 'blurry' or 'clunky'. People in OFP didn't want to go to Arma (although to me, the deathmatch, tvt, clans, mods and community of OFP were/are in a league of their own). In the end those disgruntled people have to either adapt and move on to where the thriving players and the better engine is, leave, or try to hang on to what they have for as long as possible.. In the case of Arma2 old modders, a lot of them got mad because they were 'no longer needed' when Arma 3 came out and the community is different, with new players as well who never even heard of them, but that's about it.

With all due respect but this is simple utter BS.

[Gattobuono 10]

Arma3 has a different set of players/modders from Arma2.

If what you said is true, it's only a handful of those old disgruntled, "I dont want a new game where people don't recognize me because the community is larger, and because a lot of old bugs are fixed". People in Arma used to say they don't want to run Arma2 because it's too 'blurry' or 'clunky'. People in OFP didn't want to go to Arma (although to me, the deathmatch, tvt, clans, mods and community of OFP were/are in a league of their own). In the end those disgruntled people have to either adapt and move on to where the thriving players and the better engine is, leave, or try to hang on to what they have for as long as possible.. In the case of Arma2 old modders, a lot of them got mad because they were 'no longer needed' when Arma 3 came out and the community is different, with new players as well who never even heard of them, but that's about it. I find Arma3 to be the better game, and there's no problem using all of Arma2s content in Arma3's engine which runs smoother to me anyway. It just comes down to how idiotic a player wants to be as they cling on to their inferior tech.

With all due respect but this is simple utter BS.

Totally agree, complete and utter fantasy especially this bit

In the case of Arma2 old modders, a lot of them got mad because they were 'no longer needed' when Arma 3 came out and the community is different, with new players as well who never even heard of them, but that's about it.

If ever a game needed modders it's that broken, unfinished, lacking in interesting content thing called Arma 3!

[romanshell 11]

Well to each his own. There are those who are into those hour long ultra-realism sessions, but then there are those who are clearly more interested in what the newer game has to offer. You can cling to Arma2 all you want, Arma3 still has more servers when you take away the DayZ mod.

You are into this: (avg 30 min to 5 hours long, realism/related mods)

That is ok but .. others are into OFP, others are into Arma3 which is like a modern combination of both, and usually doesn't take as much time. 'Standing around doing nothing' like the realism community does in Arma2 isn't 'fun', and pretending that it is 'fun' or 'trying to make it fun' isn't fun either. Arma2 players aren't into any sort of 'competitive' play so to speak, but that eliminates any funny, difficult, or truly fun PvP/coop type of play. Anyone who has played in and preferred OFP would likely agree. The Arma2 idea of being 'elite' in gaming is pretending to be so, so to speak, yet it's boring and that gameplay bores most of the gamers who go to it (little action, too much roleplaying). I would just ask you to look at the facts that Arma2-DayZ mod < Arma3 already. Also look at what happened in the past with people who took about 2-3 years to finally upgrade and play the new game. In the end Arma3 is already better factually (performance, physics, fun factor, important mods, totally new mods) so it doesn't matter what some opinions are. I like the deathmatch and new missions/mods in Arma3 already. I enjoy them much more than that boring, empty, void of Arma2 where I simply got 30-1 kills:death as infantry and owned some noobs so to speak anyway, over the span of 3 hours which was mostly wasted imo. I'm an oldschool type of person but I still don't beat the dead horse when it comes to Arma; once I see the new thing there's no going back.

Edited March 23, 2014 by romanshell

[roshnak 41]

Well to each his own. There are those who are into those hour long ultra-realism sessions, but then there are those who are clearly more interested in what the newer game has to offer.

What are you even talking about? I fail to see how Arma 3 impedes the ability to make or play very long missions, just as I fail to see how Arma 2 was any more suited to that style of mission than Arma 3 is.

[romanshell 11]

I guess I must explain or dumb it down.

I meant that the general community that 'clings' to Arma2 is the realism crew which claims Arma2 is more realistic and has more mods (which of course it does, it has many years on it). In Arma3 you can already see movements to other experimental types of gameplay which can fill up and don't require you to do the boring realism bullshit where you might kill 5 'weakened AI' over the span of 3 hours of so called tactical manuevering, and only after installing tedious mods to play with a substantial amount of players on a Sunday or something like that.. In Arma3 I jumped right in, found a few full Team vs Team servers, a few coop servers with at least moderately challenging AI, found some new missions/mods, and my experience was so much better than when I was in the stages of 'trying to like Arma2'.. It isn't even a question, Arma3 is just better. When you move to it, it's just up to you. Really, all I originally posted was that yes Arma3 has more servers than Arma2 if you take away the DayZ. I didn't need to post other facts but I was challenged about it by arma2 lovers.

In the end it's like this for all games. There's always a 'why is this worse than that'.. In this case though, the new one is essentially the old one with more features, added performance, and basically it's like Arma2+more so.. I mean there's always the kids who say like 'Why is that old game so much better?' and then everyone rolls their eyes, but the thing is I know you guys aren't exactly like 12 year old kids here so the fact I have to explain what was added in Arma3, why it is better, why it has more servers, etc.. is kind of stupid to say the least to me. The main point I was making was yes Arma3 has more (I guess you can say 'vanilla') servers, wheras Arma2 has more DayZ and modded servers.. yet Arma3 has similar mods and such so yes if you really want to, the capability is there to use Arma2 stuff and more. I don't see where the complaining comes from when I'm dealing with adults who should be able to use logical conclusions here.

Edited March 23, 2014 by romanshell

[jgbtl292 0]

don`t forgot ARMA II MP has the much better performance and can handle more AI in MP and SP missions with much better FPS ;)

[nettrucker 142]

@ romanshell

Arma3 has a different set of players/modders from Arma2.

If what you said is true, it's only a handful of those old disgruntled, "I dont want a new game where people don't recognize me because the community is larger, and because a lot of old bugs are fixed".

Without those "old disgruntled" modders this game would have already been dead for a long time and the reason why some old modders have left is definitely not the reason you mentioned. Everyone of them have their own reasons why they stop modding.

In the case of Arma2 old modders, a lot of them got mad because they were 'no longer needed' when Arma 3 came out and the community is different, with new players as well who never even heard of them, but that's about it.

This is just plain wrong. There are some who are just tired. You should know that, making full conversion mods takes years and once they are done, a new game iteration is released. The community moves on ( which is normal BTW) and only a minority plays the old mods for a while. Can you imagine how frustrating that can be, when you are dedicating years for a mod only to end up with a handful of people which are playing their mods because a new game version is coming out. Luckily most of them are modding because they like to do it . . . they do it for themselves first and second for the community.

Moreover modding is getting more complicated in ArmA 3 which means most probably that the time to make a new full conversion mod will increase drastically.

Instead of being grateful for their contribution they made to keep this game alive, you are actually bashing them and calling them "old disgruntled". Your post is an example of what is wrong with this community and I don't blame them for stopping modding, reading posts like yours actually shows how much you appreciate their efforts.

But don't worry there are a lot of new modders coming in to ArmA 3 they will continue where others left.

I just dislike your attitude towards the modders that are stopping for their very own reasons. I find your statements just disrespectful but that's just me.

No pun intended.

[Tonci87 163]

No that is not just you. Honestly romanshell everything you wrote on this page has been total BS showing that you know absolutely nothing about this game or it´s community.

[Hjelmern 13]

As suggested before, I do enjoy the setting more and there just so much more content in ArmA 2.

[romanshell 11]

@ romanshell

Without those "old disgruntled" modders this game would have already been dead for a long time and the reason why some old modders have left is definitely not the reason you mentioned. Everyone of them have their own reasons why they stop modding.

This is just plain wrong. There are some who are just tired. You should know that, making full conversion mods takes years and once they are done, a new game iteration is released. The community moves on ( which is normal BTW) and only a minority plays the old mods for a while. Can you imagine how frustrating that can be, when you are dedicating years for a mod only to end up with a handful of people which are playing their mods because a new game version is coming out. Luckily most of them are modding because they like to do it . . . they do it for themselves first and second for the community.

Moreover modding is getting more complicated in ArmA 3 which means most probably that the time to make a new full conversion mod will increase drastically.

Instead of being grateful for their contribution they made to keep this game alive, you are actually bashing them and calling them "old disgruntled". Your post is an example of what is wrong with this community and I don't blame them for stopping modding, reading posts like yours actually shows how much you appreciate their efforts.

But don't worry there are a lot of new modders coming in to ArmA 3 they will continue where others left.

I just dislike your attitude towards the modders that are stopping for their very own reasons. I find your statements just disrespectful but that's just me.

No pun intended.

Oh really? It's not my fault they are so self-important, and they spend years making a mod for a game which isn't theirs only to be 'unappreciated'. Since you bring it up, I don't even care. Anyway, look up old OFP videos and Arma3 videos, then look up Arma2 videos. There is a reason why all the Arma2 videos are generally hours long and full of realism units doing coop, and the other ones are generally short and sweet. I understand that most of the people who would actually dwell this forum are like that and will bash anyone who threatens their ideas of realism mods on Arma2, but that is not what most gamers want. Not that it's a bad thing, but I mean just get to talk to the average person on Arma3 and then do the same on Arma2, and make logical comparisons. You are not 12 year olds anymore, you have to make logical choices and be able to see things through a logical lense.

No that is not just you. Honestly romanshell everything you wrote on this page has been total BS showing that you know absolutely nothing about this game or it´s community.

I don't believe that is the truth. I think BI is a great company and Arma has always been a fun and realistic game to mess around in on the sidelines. The thing is, again, you are not 12 year olds. There shouldn't be a need for me to explain why Arma3 is better than Arma2. If you need to see how, just look it up on BI's official site or do a google search. Else, if you are here to cry about other things like forgotten modders, why realism units "aren't boring", well that's your problem.

By the way its* community differs when you go to see the people still playing on OFP. I think Arma2 will keep a lot of the realism players there, and I am glad for it, because joining a server of fake elitists who don't let you do anything and yet stand around doing nothing for hours is not my type of game. Arma3 is already acquiring its new mods and missions from places like the Steam Community and other sources (thus why it has more vanilla servers atm even after only a year). Of course, I'm satisfied. Not sure what point is trying to be proven against me here, I just post the facts and the gestapo realism Arma2-lover police comes after me. Anyway, have fun, bye, I'm sure no one "here" will miss me while I'm making "facts" like this.

*In third grade elementary school, most english speakers typically learn that it's is an abbreviation for 'it is', so I always wonder why people would actually add the ' when they don't have to only to display their lack of education.

Edited March 24, 2014 by romanshell

[roshnak 41]

Anyway, look up old OFP videos and Arma3 videos, then look up Arma2 videos. There is a reason why all the Arma2 videos are generally hours long and full of realism units doing coop, and the other ones are generally short and sweet.

You seem to have a pretty huge problem with realism groups. You should get over it. Pretty much any game featuring the military attracts people who like to pretend they are in the military. Day of Defeat and early Call of Duty games were full of "number clans" with rank structures and senior members demanding that junior members call them "sir." Is it silly? Yeah, I think so, but it doesn't have anything to do with this topic.

I also don't understand why you are bashing the modding community in the first place. It's not like there was a mass exodus with the release of Arma 3. Many modders from Arma 2 have moved on to Arma 3, or are continuing to work on both games. And sure, there are times when people can get a bit full of themselves, but at least it's not the Minecraft modding community.

The thing is, again, you are not 12 year olds. There shouldn't be a need for me to explain why Arma3 is better than Arma2.

Well here's the thing: Arma 3 is better than Arma 2. But not for any of the reasons you have mentioned. You are just going on and on about how you hate realism groups and subtly suggesting a purge of the Arma community. None of it has anything to do with Arma 3 at all. The only thing you have said that makes sense is that Arma 2's numbers are being bolstered by DayZ.

In third grade elementary school, most english speakers typically learn that it's is an abbreviation for 'it is', so I always wonder why people would actually add the ' when they don't have to only to display their lack of education.

Guess what? Germany isn't an English speaking nation! This is the internet -- it's full of people who don't speak English as a first language. It might be a good idea to take that into consideration before you start calling people out for being uneducated.

[stringstring 10]

Arma 2 is much, much better...

[Tonci87 163]

*In third grade elementary school, most english speakers typically learn that it's is an abbreviation for 'it is', so I always wonder why people would actually add the ' when they don't have to only to display their lack of education.

Thank you for correcting me, please do so whenever you spot a mistake I make. I constantly try to improve myself in the 5 languages I write and speak.

[zimms 22]

Maruk posted this three days ago. Doesn't look too bad.

With all the content from modders coming along and some day the next iteration of ACE I think Arma 3 has some promising years coming up.