Ukraine General

[oxmox 73]

Chief of the General staff, Commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Colonel-General Viktor Muzhenko. (29th January, 2013)

Ukrainian Armed Forces do not fight with units of regular Russian army

“To date we have documented evidence of participation of the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the side of the separatists. These are confirmed facts. There is also documented evidence of the involvement of citizens of the Russian Federation as part of terrorist groupsâ€

“Right now we only have evidence of participation of individual citizens of the Russian Federation and the Russian Army, who are members of illegal armed groups. I will also say that now the Ukrainian army is fighting not with regular parts of the Russian army,â€

(dont know if it is the correct translation, check pls thx)

Ukrainian defense minister insists Russian troops fighting in Donbas

"Those whom we capture have a DPR military ID in their left pocket and a Russian passport in the right one," Poltorak said, suggesting that this is done to mislead the international public and make it believe that there are no Russian troops in the Ukrainian territory.

Poltorak also said in response to a question from a journalist that he personally was ready "to provide assistance in acquiring Ukrainian citizenship" to foreigners who "have come to us and are defending our land."

Muzhenko claimed also that the Ukrainian military have "enough forces and resources to deal a final and even fatal blow to the illegal armed units."

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/247970.html

Edited February 1, 2015 by oxmox

[mistyronin 1181]

Chief of the General staff, Commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Colonel-General Viktor Muzhenko. (29th January, 2013)

Ukrainian Armed Forces do not fight with units of regular Russian army

Well he, the Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-chief, says what most of people already guessed that the Russian soldiers fighting in Eastern Ukraine are not regular units but special forces and similars ( VDV, GRU, etc. ).

Which explains the rapid expansion of the Pro-Russians. In fact even FSB officials have already recognized they role in starting and keeping the crisis.

Tho it's kind of weird having in mind all the regular Russian soldiers captured inside Ukraine.

Edited February 1, 2015 by MistyRonin

[spooky lynx 73]

I really wonder what are UN blue helmets good for if they can't be used to stop such a conflict in Europe.

From what I've seen by myself - they are good at riding in MRAPs after Russian peacekeepers' APCs (to minimize risk of hitting landmine) from time to time and sitting at their HQ.

[surpher 1]

Azov Battalion FPDR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Ns7fcysYs

Update:

What about the video???

Edited February 1, 2015 by surpher

[spooky lynx 73]

What about the video???

At the video you can clearly see Azov emblem on black t-shirt. So it's not pro-Russian manipulation but another dumb attempt of pro-UA propagandists to cover stupidity of nazi batallions servicemen.

Another example - this guy from Right sector tried to remove his tattoo with a piece of brick before being captured. How brave...

https://pp.vk.me/c625528/v625528582/1d893/WNgaA1ix3bs.jpg

Edited February 1, 2015 by Spooky Lynx

[surpher 1]

Another example - this guy from Right sector tried to remove his tattoo with a piece of brick before being captured. How brave...

https://pp.vk.me/c625528/v625528582/1d893/WNgaA1ix3bs.jpg

Sure I believe you, that's exactly what happened. You are a trustworthy source after all.

In not so much quantities as it is often told. No need to drag T-64's, BTR-70/80, MTLBs, Strela-10, T-72s and arty through the border as there are plenty of such stuff stationed in Ukraine already. It's much easier and faster to find and train crews and bring some missing spares if needed.

Look what is stored just at the place of the fighting:

http://interpolit.ru/_bl/17/46355778.jpg (293 kB)

http://wio.ru/anti/t/t72a-t64.jpg (367 kB)

http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/7/6/3/3441367.jpg (172 kB)

http://ye.ua/images/upload/1404482222.jpg (185 kB)

Literally none of those photos are from Artemivsk... The first and second ones are from the Kharkov armored repair plant, the third is from the 2544th Central base of reserve armored vehicles in Russia, and the last is from Starokostiantyniv in western Ukraine. :q:

(OSCE) Statement by the Chairmanship on the Trilateral Contact Group consultations in Minsk on 31 January 2015

Unfortunately, the signatories of these documents from Donetsk and Luhansk did not participate, although they had been personally invited by the Trilateral Contract Group. Their representatives who were present were not in a position to discuss the proposal put forward by the TCG. In fact, they were not even prepared to discuss implementation of a ceasefire and withdrawal of heavy weapons. Instead, they called for revision of the Protocol and Memorandum. The meeting was adjourned.

Edited February 1, 2015 by surpher

[Mug Runcher 12]

Meanwhile in Graham Land

Lavrov said that "There are no weapons in Ukraine exept for russian and soviet weapons".

So I'm not the only guy that thinks this Graham fellow is kinda nutty?

And I quote: "DISCO NOVOROSSIYA"

http://youtu.be/VWdlYqmGuqM

[mistyronin 1181]

So I'm not the only guy that thinks this Graham fellow is kinda nutty?

He's probably the worst and most biased war journalist ever. 0% professional. He's basically the shame of the war journalism, a laughing stock.

[Tonci87 163]

I think that guy experimented too much with various mushrooms he found in the forest....

[astral4eg 10]

[LIFENEWS] [RU] [source] - Militias shot down a missile "Tochka-U" under Lugansk

Edited February 2, 2015 by astral4eg

[Tonci87 163]

I´m not even sure that Ukraine has the Tochka-U since it was introduced into service just before the fall of the soviet union. Could be a 9K79 Totschka

[mistyronin 1181]

I´m not even sure that Ukraine has the Tochka-U since it was introduced into service just before the fall of the soviet union. Could be a 9K79 Totschka

Ukraine's Army have used Tochka-U before against pro-Russian sites.

( Ukraine @ war ) Ukraine destroys TerroRussian base with Tochka-U ballistic missile

[astral4eg 10]

Ukraine's Army have used Tochka-U before against pro-Russian sites.

( Ukraine @ war ) Ukraine destroys TerroRussian base with Tochka-U ballistic missile

video in this link

i,m sorry

[oxmox 73]

About the AZOV batallion.....

Just surprising that a jewish Oligarch, Ihor Kolomoyskyi, is funding far right paramilitaries where the leader of this batallion, Andrej Billetsky, is the head of two political neo-nazi groups. The Social National Assembly (S.N.A) and Patriot of Ukraine. The flag of the Azov batallion, which shows the Wolfsangel is the symbol for the Social National Assembly organisation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Edited February 2, 2015 by oxmox

[Maio 293]

Someone over at MP.net said that the rocket booster separates from the missile itself and what we are seeing in that photo is nothing out of the ordinary.

[oxmox 73]

German government warns US about arms sales to Ukraine

CSU and SPD urge the US government:New weapons could exacerbate the Ukraine-war. The separatists are now claiming to want to mobilize 100,000 fighters.

The governing coalition of CDU and the SPD is alarmed over reports that the US consider arms supplies to Ukraine to support the government in the fight against pro-Russian separatists.

The foreign policy spokesman of the SPD parliamentary group, Niels Annen, said: "arms shipments from the USA to Ukraine would be a dangerous move that could quickly lead to a further escalation."

The conflict is not be solved militarily, Annen said. The Ukrainian leadership must have experienced this with their already painfully failed campaign already. "The negotiation is difficult, but correct," Annen said. "We should hold jointly with the US."

Russians expect further escalation

Separatist leader Alexander Sachartschenko announced a mobilization in Donbass. In the coming week, 100,000 new fighters will be armed, he said in Donetsk. The separatists said last week, that they want to expand their offensive in the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. A large part of the area is controlled by Kiev now.

Ukraine also has begun to mobilize reservists. Up to 100,000 Ukrainians will be sent to the front in the coming months.

In Russia, according to a survey more and more people fear a further escalation of the conflict.

Zeit.de google translation

Edited February 2, 2015 by oxmox

[metalcraze 290]

Our main mistake is that for 23 years we were so naive and didn't believe that Russia can invade and start killing us. Even despite what they did to all other neighboring countries - Moldavia (Transnistria), Azerbaijan and Armenia (Karabakh), Georgia - TWICE (Abkhazia, Ossetia) and even Chechnya (which was indeed a huge civilian massacre by russians which thankfully backfired at them), and trying to invade Baltic countries - but those escaped under NATO wing fast - before invasion of Crimea nobody in Ukraine believed Russia can do this to us.

And Putin is nothing but a product of his own people. Do you really think any russian really believes that a yet another country they invade suddenly became nazi out of the blue eating russian-speaking children? It's just an excuse they use to try and don't look like sick imperialistic invaders to the rest of the world that they are. Every russian knows the truth and they will admit it as soon as they succeed, but while they don't they will make up ridiculous bullshit like a country with an army 40 times smaller invading Russia - Georgia in 2008. Or that their troops in Crimea were just locals who bought all the russian exclusive AK-100s and Tigrs in the nearest 7/11 (those are Putin's words for god's sake). So now it's "locals taking away whole tank and artillery platoons from Ukrainian army using their own bare hands" until (and if) they succeed...

The primary question here is this one though - what will Russia do when all the neighborhood they've spent so much effort pissing off finally comes at them crying for retribution?

[mistyronin 1181]

video in this link

i,m sorry

Yeah, that was the exact idea, to show that it had happen in the past. :j:

Ukraine's Army have used Tochka-U before against pro-Russian sites.

( Ukraine @ war ) Ukraine destroys TerroRussian base with Tochka-U ballistic missile

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( BBC ) Ukraine rebel leader Zakharchenko 'wants 100,000 men'

Edited February 2, 2015 by MistyRonin

[astral4eg 10]

Someone over at MP.net said that the rocket booster separates from the missile itself and what we are seeing in that photo is nothing out of the ordinary.

But this rocket a single-stage.

Probably this rocket not detonated

[Tonci87 163]

Our main mistake is that for 23 years we were so naive and didn't believe that Russia can invade and start killing us. Even despite what they did to all other neighboring countries - Moldavia (Transnistria), Azerbaijan and Armenia (Karabakh), Georgia - TWICE (Abkhazia, Ossetia) and even Chechnya (which was indeed a huge civilian massacre by russians which thankfully backfired at them), and trying to invade Baltic countries - but those escaped under NATO wing fast - before invasion of Crimea nobody in Ukraine believed Russia can do this to us.

And Putin is nothing but a product of his own people. Do you really think any russian really believes that a yet another country they invade suddenly became nazi out of the blue eating russian-speaking children? It's just an excuse they use to try and don't look like sick imperialistic invaders to the rest of the world that they are. Every russian knows the truth and they will admit it as soon as they succeed, but while they don't they will make up ridiculous bullshit like a country with an army 40 times smaller invading Russia - Georgia in 2008. Or that their troops in Crimea were just locals who bought all the russian exclusive AK-100s and Tigrs in the nearest 7/11 (those are Putin's words for god's sake). So now it's "locals taking away whole tank and artillery platoons from Ukrainian army using their own bare hands" until (and if) they succeed...

The primary question here is this one though - what will Russia do when all the neighborhood they've spent so much effort pissing off finally comes at them crying for retribution?

Metalcraze, good to see that you are well, you have been away for a very long time.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Ukraine rebel leader Zakharchenko 'wants 100,000 men'

Yes, and personally i want 100 000 € :protest:

[Tonci87 163]

Ukraine rebel leader Zakharchenko 'wants 100,000 men'[/url][/b]

How many non enlisted, fit for fighting men are still left in the area? Where is he gonna take his men from, out of his ass? Or will there again be a huge wave of "volunteers" from Russia.

[maturin 12]

Metalcraze, good to see that you are well, you have been away for a very long time.

I wouldn't say "well," exactly.

[mistyronin 1181]

How many non enlisted, fit for fighting men are still left in the area? Where is he gonna take his men from, out of his ass? Or will there again be a huge wave of "volunteers" from Russia.

The Russian Army ( Ground Forces ) has 285,000 personnel ( 2014 data )... so if you send one third of it ( if it isn't already there... )

[oxmox 73]

Maybe smaller numbers, but 100.000 new fighters in 10 days ? From where should they take all the people and organize the weapons in such a short time. This is hot air, just propaganda probably.

Our main mistake is that for 23 years we were so naive and didn't believe that Russia can invade and start killing us. Even despite what they did to all other neighboring countries - Moldavia (Transnistria), Azerbaijan and Armenia (Karabakh), Georgia - TWICE (Abkhazia, Ossetia) and even Chechnya (which was indeed a huge civilian massacre by russians which thankfully backfired at them), and trying to invade Baltic countries - but those escaped under NATO wing fast - before invasion of Crimea nobody in Ukraine believed Russia can do this to us.

There are justified critics against Russia in general and about Putin, also about the current conflict like you write.

However, some of the mentioned historical events within the last 23 years seem to be distorted except I miss something here.

The Baltics were invaded by the Sovjetunion in 1940, Karabakh was mainly an ethnical rivalry which started inside the Sovjetunion around 100 years ago, but the military conflict in the early/mid 90ies was a conflict between the two nations Armenia and Azerbajan solely, Chechnya fighters were aswell involved. When it comes to Georgia, a military conflict was an internal conflict about independance inside the Sovjetunion, the next war was again a struggle between Georgia and an independence move - Russia was involved; aswell with one massacre, the last war in 2008 was started by Georgia itself with an attack on Ossetia. It seems the country has problems to accept the independance movements and clashes since the beginning of the last century. The Crimea is definately one of the main points for critics in this current conflict.

The origin for a lot of these disputes were caused by the creation and brakedown of the Sovjetunion, creating boarders and throwing together people regardless of ethnics, culture, languages and so on. Other imperial powers were similar reckless in other areas of the world and the results are visible.

Edited February 2, 2015 by oxmox