Does Czech Repoblic for Dictatorship rather then Democracy?

[Nachliel 10]

Dear fellas,

As you can see, I am not so active in the forums or playing video games, although I had much fun playing Flash point and ARMA before couple years ago, but since then I have joined the army and discharged, and enjoyed real army action and strategy.

but now I'm trying my efforts in researching some political views.

I am asking the question hear because I know that Bohemia Interactive is in Czech Repoblic, and I have heard from him after she was traveling in Czeck and she was surprised to hear that the people there are quite frustrated from the government and the Democratic system.

I know that in many countries the people are not pleased from the government. but to hear that they want to return back to the old regimes like the last dictatorship, it is quite interesting find.

In fact I am very glad to hear that opinion, because that's my opinion too. Democratic regimes seems to be the worst to their people, and there are many reasons for that.

But in Czech from the people she spoke to they said that they want to go back to the old regimes because of flourish in economy for the people, however in Democracy the flourish is only for the corporations, and big companies while a family that want to start a business getting really hard and they likely to fail after short struggle (few years) and the only economic promise for the people is being in a good Job, being an employed by corporation - in fact being a slave for others, without the opportunity to thrive by yourself. in result the dependency of the people is much larger in the government, and by that the government get more and more power over the people sponsored by "DEMOCRACY" and "FREEDOM" etc.

So I am looking for those groups in Czech and all around the world, that support these ideas, and look for solution.

in fact, in my country - Israel. for known reason that I can't tell hear, it's another debate. the Democracy control us very tightly. but here it's much hard to create a strong group that support ideas of Dictatorship and dramatic change in the government because of our Religion that command us to put a King that god have chosen him. so it's much hard here, but meanwhile the people are suffering.

If you know a groups in Czech or around the world that are interested, or share the same ideals I would like to know. Human kind have did huge achievements in sciences and economy but no huge achievements in society. and this thing must be changed.

[Tonci87 163]

Hear the words from someone whose family lived in a dictatorship:

Dictatorships SUCK

You think that wealth will be distributed more equaly? You are a fool.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Hear the words from someone whose family lived in a dictatorship:

Dictatorships SUCK

You think that wealth will be distributed more equaly? You are a fool.

Yeah, sheer nostalgia of former Communist pride, forgetting all the bad sides, millions of death, corruption everywhere (which may have come back somehow though), starvation and shortage of everything.

I'm not sure Czech people are very nostalgic of what happened in 1968 :rolleyes:

The problem is that young democracies are too weak and inexperienced. It took a 100 years in my country from the revolution to the real democracy, i don't expect it to go very much quicker in former east block countries.

BTW, OP, if you wanna try dictatorship to see how nice it is, go to North Korea :)

Edited February 18, 2014 by ProfTournesol

[Lenyoga 326]

Frustration with democracy is somewhat common in most European countries... but that doesn't mean that people want to return to a dictatorship, that's just a crazy or mentally challenged minority. I've had family members and friends who have had experiences with dictatorships, and that's the last thing you want, believe me. Flourishing economy? Only as long as the gun factories can sell their weapons, and only for the people in control. Easy business start-ups? Good luck with that, more like a below-minimum wage state-owned workhouse. Opportunity to thrive? Not a chance, unless you're up high in the food chain, like the high ranking KGB or SS officers were - we're not gonna get along well if that's your career plan, though.

Do yourself a favor and study history, especially dictatorships and social movements. You'll quickly see that most of the fantasies about strong leaders and wealthy nations are simply bullshit, that in reality the majority suffers a lot more than in the worst of democracies. The only way to keep a democracy functional is to keep your check on it - strong independent civil rights movements that put constant pressure on politicians to keep corruption and abuse of power to a minimum. Now guess how you'd fight corruption in a dictatorship? Yes, by getting shot or gassed.

The real problem of democracies is that people take their rights and opportunities for granted and don't give a rat's ass about keeping things functional and fair.

[Tonci87 163]

I´ll add this too:

Yes Democracies do suck in some ways, but they are still the best option we have right now.

And this:

The real problem of democracies is that people take their rights and opportunities for granted and don't give a rat's ass about keeping things functional and fair.

[Nachliel 10]

First, you all represent not your opinion but what you are educated to repeat.

No one spoke about a regime like Hither, Stalin and such...

In a regime like Democracy everyone admire the system, the structure. and the human being stepped outside the equivalent (even piss quietly in the street you can't).

You may say that now you have lot of comfort, you have electricity, the dollar is stable (less or more) and the things are running. but what people would do if the electricity stops? say for week or month?

today people are being so depended and needed more then ever in the whole history, now you push on a button on the wall and you have water flowing.

Did you ever paid attention the the food you eat, the money you pay for it? how much you spend at work?

If I say that many of the people work hard like the millions of workers of Stalin? then what is the difference?

today you have LAW about every step you walk isn't a dictatorship?

you mention that people take their rights for granted? does NOT? do we need to kiss their gov. ass for what they giving to us? or if not will come some dictator and kill everyone? who he will dictated if he kills everyone?

Like north Korea, and like china and like united state... things not going to change without the will of the people. BUT the will is also weekend, by the luxury and comfort, by technology by drags (that for some reason are going to be legal).

why did you people do drugs today? why people smoke? why do people need to go to school collage university and get a lifetime job and finish...?

Did you mention corruption? when the government is depended on money what more corruption then that? you have the money you govern.

But you all right, that this is not about dictatorship or democracy, i see it more then a way of bringing Justice to human modern life.

Same like democracy... even to have a decent lawyer you need money, and if your fellah have more money he has more power over the court by bringing more sophisticated lawyers...

there is no end to that scheme.

And yes I look for a change. at least I know from where Democracy began.. from the idols work. and yet it's still exist in other forms, and democracy embrace and make it more and more stronger.

Now, even to speak and get acknowledgement you need to have some degree or certificate. people no longer listen, nor speak nor feels.

[Lenyoga 326]

All those problems aren't limited to democracies, dictatorships wouldn't really change any of that. The basic structure of the country will still be pretty much the same, it's just the way the government uses its power. A dictatorship will still very much depend on money, have people work, be full of injustice and corruption, etc. Every form of government has those problems and people have to deal with it, but the more centralized and authoritarian a state becomes (like a dictatorship or failing democracy), the more paranoid and violent they'll react to any perceived danger or enemy - it has always been like that, no matter what form of government. The thing is that dictatorships just make it a lot easier for the people in power to go full retard and kill people on a large scale, because there are no systems in place which prevent them from doing so at their own will, and for that reason I'm feeling more at home with democracy, even if ti still needs a lot of work - the whole purpose of things like constitutions and laws is to protect people from power-hungry psychopaths (although, yeah, corporate interests are taking over that mechanism to increase their profits, but well, I said it takes a lot of work.)

[ProfTournesol 956]

First, you all represent not your opinion but what you are educated to repeat.

And you don't ? Thanks for saying we're too stupid to reason, but not you. Typical dictatorship argument.

[JdB 151]

Yeah, sheer nostalgia of former Communist pride, forgetting all the bad sides, millions of death, corruption everywhere (which may have come back somehow though), starvation and shortage of everything.

A lot of good looking girls from Eastern Europe are working in brothels and/or porn in Western Europe either voluntarily or against their will (or working in hotels in Eastern Europe to service fat businessmen to pay for their education which the state used to provide), educated people doing the simplest jobs here for a 1/3 of the minimum wage, old people living in shacks with nothing to eat that freeze to death during the winter because of inadequate pensions because it was assumed the state would always provide etc. They were pushed onto the trapeze rope without a safety net.

Socialism, communism and all other totalitarian regimes (which dictatorships always are) are far inferior to democracy, even with all of it's faults.

[Tonci87 163]

First, you all represent not your opinion but what you are educated to repeat.

Bullshit

On these forums you will finds lots of people who lived in dictatorships (they have first hand experience) and they mostly agree that it was bad and that a proper Democracy (something wich sadly isn´t present in most east european countrys) is always better.

Study some History and name 1, name only 1 Dictatorship that succeded without doing bad things to it´s own population.

Either you have taken Tropico way too seriously or you got told stupid things by smart people. Most likely by people that plan to use you in some way.

[Dwarden 1125]

frustrated from politicians ?

frustrated from inneffective state?

frustrated from not open e-state where you know exactly how many money go in and what money where why for goes out?

frustrated from buerocracy in state?

frustrated from bancrupt state clerks?

frustrated from increased taxes?

frustrated from low retirement rents (and dimishing each year)?

where in the world they got all above covered (hell even any of it) to not be frustrated? :)

note: i would be excellent Dictator you would all love, vote me ! ;)

[scrim 1]

(even piss quietly in the street you can't).

Public urination vs. freedom of speech. Yes, I do agree that I have a hard time making my mind up on that one, thank you for your very thoughtful argument.

And for the record, yeah, that's just about how seriously I can take your stupid arguments. They're on a lower intellectual level than your English fluency.

[spooky lynx 73]

Some people suppose so called democracy (as it exists now) and dictatorship don't really differ much. And to be honest I think the same way.

[scrim 1]

I wouldn't call Russia a democracy though.

[Degman 73]

The Venus Project :) This is exacly what we need.

(...) This so called "Democracy" and "freedom" is dictatorship as well, not that different from old regimes, but it has succesful propaganda and media coverage. We are in world-wide dictatorship even now .. and in future it's going to be stronger and stronger, while sheeps will be repeating that they are 'free', eating GMO food, being micro-chipped, tracked, powerless and all sick kind of stuff. Do you guys even know who is starting wars ? Not a people, not a terrorists, not a heroes, but a rich people who has their interests .. and money of course. This may sound "conspiracy theory-like" for someone, but that's how this world works. Grow the f*** up everyone. :icon_rolleyes: There was no and there is still no good system for mankind. Only what we have now is fake freedom, wars, propaganda, powerful elite and ..money.

[maturin 12]

No one in the Czech Republic wants a dictatorship. I would guess the language barrier is the issue here.

On the other hand, Czechs have no love for capitalism. Back in 1968 the preference for democratic socialism was essentially unanimous, before the Soviets settled that question.

[ProfTournesol 956]

I wouldn't call Russia a democracy though.

If it was a real modern democracy, Putin would face justice for corruption.

[spooky lynx 73]

If it was a real modern democracy, Putin would face justice for corruption.

What is real modern democracy in your opinion? Maybe a country that pushes LGBT privileges no matter of protests while there are many other problems (way more important) and bombs other independent country after receiving money from its leader as sponsorship for elections campaign?;) If so - I'm proud that I live in undemocratic country.

Edited February 18, 2014 by Spooky Lynx

[Tonci87 163]

My Opinion on states in Europe: We don´t have any true democracys. Switzerland is closest to beeing a true democracy, but even there things aren´t ideal.

[ProfTournesol 956]

What is real modern democracy in your opinion? Maybe a country that pushes LGBT privileges no matter of protests while there are many other problems (way more important) and bombs other independent country after receiving money from its leader as sponsorship for elections campaign?;) If so - I'm proud that I live in undemocratic country.

Oops, yes, i almost forgot he sponsored homophobic laws and that he is selling weapons that are used to bomb civilians by thousands. You're right to be proud. 40 billions € for the Olympic games ? What a joke. Let him ransack your country.

Edited February 18, 2014 by ProfTournesol

[spooky lynx 73]

Oops, yes, i almost forgot he sponsored homophobic laws and that he is selling weapons that are used to bomb civilians by thousands. You're right to be proud.

Have you read that 'homophobic' laws? Or you just have been told they are homophobic? Oh and I bet almost every single weapon manufacturer can tell that its goods had been used against civilians, Russian ones are not exception. It's a weapon, and it may be used against anyone, and humans are very cruel, deal with it. And, seeing at some African wars I'd say local-made machetes claim much more civilian lives than 90% of Russian or US or EU-made weapon.

[scrim 1]

What is real modern democracy in your opinion?

Free elections (IDGF, it's like with sex: Until you've actually experienced it yourself, you don't get to act like an expert on it).

Not bank rupting and jailing political opponents.

Not having "whoops, regime critical journalist randomly shot multiple times" moments, to mention a few.

[maturin 12]

Free elections (IDGF, it's like with sex: Until you've actually experienced it yourself, you don't get to act like an expert on it).

Where has this one-liner been all my life?

Have you read that 'homophobic' laws?

I've read the newly-released definitions of homosexual propaganda. As in Soviet times, it is now illegal in Russia to speak the truth. Case in point, a man was arrested for proclaiming in public that he loves his boyfriend. This is a simple statement of fact, devoid of any political content or arguments that can be rebutted, and yet it is now against the law. Regardless of your beliefs of homosexuality, if this state of affairs does not distress you, I cannot call you a decent person.

The law specifically codifies the idea that homosexuals and homosexuals are inferior. The end. It defines the opinions and statements of gays as propaganda, incapable of being valid opinions or statements. This is a literal, textbook example of bigotry.

You argue the stupidest shit. Please, admit that the law is discriminatory (since in your very last post you openly and proudly discriminate), wear your bigot badge and don't be such a coward.

This is the problem with the 21st century. Slippery chickenshit ideological opponents. Racists claim they're not racists. Sexists and homophobes just talk about protecting families and oppressed men. Imperialists pretend not to know what empires are.

Edited February 18, 2014 by maturin

[vilas 477]

i wrote long post but i deleted it being afraid that some people i know /like may be touched , but anyway:

- dear people, democracy is majority rules, minority obey,

majority vote for A, minority must do A not B,

so when you say that in one country there is no democracy because.... 1% cannot force their view on 99% than... for sure you confuse what democracy is,

if majority is against something and state forces it - it is no longer democracy for me,

if majority people do not want gay parade in town, and police batons them and forces them to watch it... sorry, you call it democracy ?

80% against gay marriages and gov. says "there will be no refferendum about this issue" , the same with death penalty, 78% want hang pedophiles, while they are alive and protected after sentence like they were witness or vips, people want to hang man who killed four 10y.o. kids, people cannot do it, why ? is it democracy that majority is forced to pay taxes to give flat, food to guy who killed 4 kids ? if there was refferendum "whether we should kill pedophiles" i am sure voting result will be 80 Y 20 N (life sentence or 10000 years in prison)

also gov. say there will be NO referendum about EUro currency in Poland, they will push us to have EURO instead of PLN without our will, majority is against!

last time in Poland we have following case - guy murdered 4 kids, he get 25 years, his sentence ended, people do not want him to be free, what about majority right to have safety for their kids ? why one pedophile and serial killer has rights stronger than 40 milion people nation ? why do majority have to be afraid of their kids, cause "politicially correct" state lets serial killer free, why ? democracy ?

who asked you about putting your money to banksters ? bilions of Euro and Dollars of tax payers "helped" banks, who asked you ?

this is not democracy when majority doesn't want something and minority wins,

do not confuse political correctness with democracy

another thing "in Russia you cannot say truth", c'mon, what about political correctness,

if you cannot "tell truth" in Russia, than can you tell truth in west ? ha ?

can you tell about miniorities which cause problems and commit criminal acts ? can you tell about religious minorities making harm ? can you tell about some nations crimes ? why can't you tell in west about immigrants making robberies on street ? Russia = lack of freedom of speech ? woow, try to say in western country "immigrants are making most of crimes, throw them away", i know one very visual example of one ethnic minority which simply doesn't want to work, they mostly do criminal acts, can we talk about this in the west ?

Switzerland is example of democracy, they have refferendums about anything, this is real democracy but... EU is not satisfied with this lastly

if people vote for Taliban in one country, you call it democracy or not ? people vote for them, people want them, so ?

i do not wanted to offend some people i like and respect here but dear friends - open your eyes, democracy is not when you like effect of voting, democracy is not equal minority rights on top, democracy is majority right on top,

Switzerland is really good example of democracy , i wish to have such system here, where gov. asks people before they make action ,

so far we have no democracy, cause we vote for party which says A before election and day after election they say B and "never A" ,

if policians do not follow pre-voting promisses hard to call it democracy,

example:

party X says before election "we move back troops from Iraq, we put money on hospitals for kids"

party X win election, they say "we must help Americans, we send more troops to Iraq, but than we have to close some hospitals"

party X loose elections after 4 years:

party Y says before election "we move back troops from Iraq, we put money on hospitals for kids"

party Y win election, they say "we must help Americans, we send more troops to Iraq, but than we have to close some hospitals"

IS IT DEMOCRACY ?

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about question of author of thread about post communist countries, i can say something as person who lived in 80s in such country:

author of topic asked do we miss pre-1989 ?

as person who lived in communism i can answer that this question is hard, cause i remember 80s, both systems have advantages and disadvantages,

previously we had street safety, high punishments (there were even death penalties for economic crimes) , there was economical safety no matter if you want to work hard or not, there was no pain of jealousy when you see very rich people and you feel anger,

now we have system in which : it is hard to get good job cause nepotism is very huge, police, offices, public administration is hard to get inside if you not have "uncle" there, private companies is very hard work, no sitting in internet or reading books, a lot of stress, rats race etc. now our women work as whores in brothels in west (as said before) and people graduate university and wash dishes in west, this is not something we like, there is very big corruption (rich man can buy court),

now media lie as before (but lie in other direction), we are unarmed like before,

hard to say when life is better, before 1989 was easier for sure for people who not love to work hard, payment was almost equal so you could work hard or read books in office , you were getting the same, good for hedonists or lazy people for sure,

really hard choice , cause what democracy gave me ? what it gave to my parents ?

my parents are not satisfied with democracy, they miss safety streets, they miss social safety, they miss "honesty" , i do not know how to explain it to person from west - we hate commercial advertisements, marketing, we hate to hear that something is "the best" while it is not (a lot of old people who never knew marketing tricks before are very easy to be cheated and they are victims of many economical crimes due to belief in what marketer says) , there was no free market before, but now a lot of things are controlled by corporations or EU directives, so.. it is not free still,

"post-communist" countries differ from West very much, hard to explain how much, living in west some things are unimaginable that here are normal, for me most important is that i want to have my own flat ,

the real problem is that sons of commie special services now are in rule (business, banks, jurisdical system) so power is still in the same families, but flag changed and "Eagle get crown" , one problems replaced other problems,

previously people couldn't buy all, now we do not have money to buy all, previously we had to wait many years for free flat, now we must take credit in bank and pay to banksters, previously party comrade can do harm and not be punished, now rich businesman can do it, previously we had no freedom to travel now we have no money to travel, previously party was not asking people's opinion about stuff that can harm USSR, now gov. do not ask things which are politically not correct,

hard to judge how to compare life before and after 1989, those are 2 different systems with different goals and both systems have adv and cons

Edited February 19, 2014 by vilas

[maturin 12]

can you tell about miniorities which cause problems and commit criminal acts ? can you tell about religious minorities making harm ? can you tell about some nations crimes ? why can't you tell in west about immigrants making robberies on street ? woow, try to say in western country "immigrants are making most of crimes, throw them away", i know one very visual example of one ethnic minority which simply doesn't want to work, they mostly do criminal acts, can we talk about this in the west ?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Any further questions from ignoramuses who can't actually comprehend that freedom of speech exists?

Let's have a quick refresher course. I can say whatever. the. hell. I. want. A hypothetical situation:

I can say that all immigrants are worthless subhuman scum and nothing will happen to me. I can start a start a political movement of social club that proclaims this ideology. I can fund it with all my money and put candidates up for elections. I can say absolutely anything I want, so long as I don't directly threaten other people with violence. Absolutely anything, no matter how hateful or batshit insane it is. It's just that no one will vote for me, or be seen with me in public, and no company or institution will want to have me work for them. Because we have a decent society that ostracizes worthless and evil people of its own accord. But the government can do nothing. If they do, organizations like the ACLU (who hate me and everything I stand for) will defend my rights in court. In Europe, I probably can't say some things about Nazis and the Holocaust. But I'm an American and think that Europe restricts free speech too much anyways.

Contrast that to Russia where nationalists threaten violence all the time, tiny unpopular religious sects are outlawed, blasphemy against the Orthodox church is becoming illegal and punishable by courts, and even Lev Tolstoy has been declared an extremist three times, with his texts banned. Russia is now a book-burning country.

80% against gay marriages and gov. says "there will be no refferendum about this issue" , the same with death penalty, 78% want hang pedophiles,

So are you referring to Saudi Arabia or just making up numbers?

There is no country where gay rights are being forced on the population. Gay rights only advance when the majority of the population begins to favor them, because there is zero economic or political benefit in catering to the tiny gay contingent in any country.

People who don't live in free countries sound like climate change deniers nowadays. The existence of something disturbs them, so they deny that it exists. Most of Russia seems to think that the US is just as repressive as their own country because there's this fairytale idea that saying the N-word will get you arrested.

And then the homophobes get confused, assuming that no one could want equality because they personally don't. Newsflash for everyone, gay rights are being demanded by the majority of many countries. If not... well, then nothing happens. Because democracy.

Edited February 19, 2014 by maturin