Toadie's SmallArms and Animations for Arma3

[Chaingunfighter 103]

I'm not too worried about what generic variants are used, but how about an HK SL8 and stockless G36K with dual mags like in Terminator 3? Unique variants are always cool (and the SL8 is just an interesting rifle with an interesting story.)

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Note: i'm not putting any emotions in that post, nor i demand any action. I simply pointing out mistakes before i forget. So don't throw tomattoes if some mistakes were already adressed.

1.The "Colt Carbine" is really a confusing one. Since it has an M16A2-type upper reciever with complex rear sights and M16A1-type lower reciever, i would say that this is Colt Model 727. But. It also features an M4-type barrel with a cut-out for mounting M203A1/A2 GLs and M4-type 4th gen collapsible stock. While the barrel is fine, many of 727s were done with cut-out barrels, the stock looks really weird. Never 727 nor 733 did have 4th gen stocks.
This is 3rg gen stock:
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c2/Stock_collapsible_3.jpg/400px-Stock_collapsible_3.jpg
This is 4th gen stock:
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/8/85/Stock_collapsible_4.jpg/400px-Stock_collapsible_4.jpg
For a 100% super-authentic look it would be also nice to see an actual M16A2 lower reciever. However, since 727s were actually built on both A1 and A2 lowers, it is not such a big deal.
 

2. HK53 variant used in the mod is HK53A3. It is actually a somewhat important note, since HK53A2 had a fixed stock vs. collapsible stock on A3. I think i have also seen HK53 without 3-round burst mode once or twice, but i am not sure. Probably those were custom made builds.
Also, HK did manufacture 20- and 40-round mags for HK53s. Is it possible to incorporate those as a loadout option?
http://40.media.tumblr.com/7c374aabf7d38ae2dcaf07a84b827b3f/tumblr_nlh10lJ2R71u7i6uso1_1280.jpg

3. "AR15 .300 Dissipator" sounds like "Noname Random AR-15". Or did i miss something?

4. "Bushmaster .300 Carbine" is Bushmaster M4A3 converted into .300 Blackout. The appropriate name would be "Bushmaster XM15 E2S M4A3 .300", or simply "Bushmaster M4A3 .300".
However, the real Bushmaster .300 is called XM15 A2S, and it looks very different from M4A3. More like Magpul AR15 MOE:
https://www.bushmaster.com/img/firearms/90899_300AAC_BlackoutMain.jpg

5. Machineguns have incorrect reload animation. While it is generally a good thing to charge the bolt before you load a new belt, to make absolutely sure that the gun is clear, you still have to charge the bolt after you load a new belt. There is no other way to put a first round in the chamber.

6. Not sure if it's my problem or the mod's, but i have couple of issues with AUGs. Specifically, the character does not use the foregrip on A1 Para SMG, and trying to hold the gun by the barrel, thus holding the air. Also A2 Carbine seems to have the same 20-in barrel length as Full version, instead of appropriate 16-in. A1 variant does not have that problem, but it's barrel is still a bit longer than it should be, probaably 18 inches.
Grammar mistake: Tan version of AUG SR Carbine is erroneously called "AUGA SR", which throws it down in gun list.
Also, the AUG SR, AFAIK, is just the same thing as A2, but is imported US civilian market version, called "Special Reciever" for marketing purposes. So, why keeping two wersions of the same thing?
OMFG U LIV IN OSSTRALIA BUT U DIDN MAIK OSSTRALIAN AUGS WTF????? (caught heart attack, falls on the ground).

7. MP5. The "MP5N" is clearly not the actual one, since it has 4-position trigger group.
There are three different types of trigger groups for an MP5s. First is German "SEF" trigger group seen on A2 and A3 variants:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5sefnavytg_350_detail.jpg
Then there is "navy" ambidextrous trigger group:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5cpnavytg-2_1445_detail.jpg
Finally new A4 and A5 (as well as SD5 and SD6) variants use the 4-position "navy" trigger group:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5bursttg-2.jpg
Those are not to be confused with 3-pos "navy" wariants.
Another distinctive feature is the threaded muzzle. Usual A2 and A3 variants have three lugs on the muzzle for fitting the suppressors. However, when the US Navy contracted the HK for MP5s, they ordered the barrel to be additionally threaded at the muzzle, so the US-made 9mm suppressors could fit. So, the only "truly" N variants are A2 and A3, fitted witn botn navy trigger and threaded muzzle, thus becoming A2N and A3N.

So, your "MP5N" is actually just an MP5A5 with RIS.
Same trigger thing goes for MP5K. Your "MP5K-PDW" is actually an MP5KA4 PDW.

8. Just for the record - our guys from Izhmash have changed the design of AK12 again:
http://imhocloud.com/images/2015/03/31/1272ba1.md.jpg

9. Original AK was never officially called "AK47", it is a western misconseption. It is called simply "AK".

10. AR-15 pack contains 13 gun models.
MOAR AR15 FOR DA GOD OF AR15!!!!!

I can see a ton of work been put in this pack. You are doing almost great, bringing the ArmA animations, finally, where they should have been from the start. Especially i've been amazed when i saw that the character actually uses the magpul's bolt release device in AR15 MOE. That is just so freakishly cool, man. Keep up the good work.

[Chaingunfighter 103]

9. Original AK was never officially called "AK47", it is a western misconseption. It is called simply "AK".

 

In the Soviet Union/Russia, yeah, but NATO actually does classify the original Type 1, 2, and 3 7.62x39mm rifles predating the AKM as the "AK-47", so it's not really wrong in a sense.

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Note: i'm not putting any emotions in that post, nor i demand any action. I simply pointing out mistakes before i forget. So don't throw tomattoes if some mistakes were already adressed.

1.The "Colt Carbine" is really a confusing one. Since it has an M16A2-type upper reciever with complex rear sights and M16A1-type lower reciever, i would say that this is Colt Model 727. But. It also features an M4-type barrel with a cut-out for mounting M203A1/A2 GLs and M4-type 4th gen collapsible stock. While the barrel is fine, many of 727s were done with cut-out barrels, the stock looks really weird. Never 727 nor 733 did have 4th gen stocks.

This is 3rg gen stock:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c2/Stock_collapsible_3.jpg/400px-Stock_collapsible_3.jpg

This is 4th gen stock:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/8/85/Stock_collapsible_4.jpg/400px-Stock_collapsible_4.jpg

For a 100% super-authentic look it would be also nice to see an actual M16A2 lower reciever. However, since 727s were actually built on both A1 and A2 lowers, it is not such a big deal.

 

2. HK53 variant used in the mod is HK53A3. It is actually a somewhat important note, since HK53A2 had a fixed stock vs. collapsible stock on A3. I think i have also seen HK53 without 3-round burst mode once or twice, but i am not sure. Probably those were custom made builds.

Also, HK did manufacture 20- and 40-round mags for HK53s. Is it possible to incorporate those as a loadout option?

http://40.media.tumblr.com/7c374aabf7d38ae2dcaf07a84b827b3f/tumblr_nlh10lJ2R71u7i6uso1_1280.jpg

3. "AR15 .300 Dissipator" sounds like "Noname Random AR-15". Or did i miss something?

4. "Bushmaster .300 Carbine" is Bushmaster M4A3 converted into .300 Blackout. The appropriate name would be "Bushmaster XM15 E2S M4A3 .300", or simply "Bushmaster M4A3 .300".

However, the real Bushmaster .300 is called XM15 A2S, and it looks very different from M4A3. More like Magpul AR15 MOE:

https://www.bushmaster.com/img/firearms/90899_300AAC_BlackoutMain.jpg

5. Machineguns have incorrect reload animation. While it is generally a good thing to charge the bolt before you load a new belt, to make absolutely sure that the gun is clear, you still have to charge the bolt after you load a new belt. There is no other way to put a first round in the chamber.

6. Not sure if it's my problem or the mod's, but i have couple of issues with AUGs. Specifically, the character does not use the foregrip on A1 Para SMG, and trying to hold the gun by the barrel, thus holding the air. Also A2 Carbine seems to have the same 20-in barrel length as Full version, instead of appropriate 16-in. A1 variant does not have that problem, but it's barrel is still a bit longer than it should be, probaably 18 inches.

Grammar mistake: Tan version of AUG SR Carbine is erroneously called "AUGA SR", which throws it down in gun list.

Also, the AUG SR, AFAIK, is just the same thing as A2, but is imported US civilian market version, called "Special Reciever" for marketing purposes. So, why keeping two wersions of the same thing?

OMFG U LIV IN OSSTRALIA BUT U DIDN MAIK OSSTRALIAN AUGS WTF????? (caught heart attack, falls on the ground).

7. MP5. The "MP5N" is clearly not the actual one, since it has 4-position trigger group.

There are three different types of trigger groups for an MP5s. First is German "SEF" trigger group seen on A2 and A3 variants:

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5sefnavytg_350_detail.jpg

Then there is "navy" ambidextrous trigger group:

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5cpnavytg-2_1445_detail.jpg

Finally new A4 and A5 (as well as SD5 and SD6) variants use the 4-position "navy" trigger group:

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5bursttg-2.jpg

Those are not to be confused with 3-pos "navy" wariants.

Another distinctive feature is the threaded muzzle. Usual A2 and A3 variants have three lugs on the muzzle for fitting the suppressors. However, when the US Navy contracted the HK for MP5s, they ordered the barrel to be additionally threaded at the muzzle, so the US-made 9mm suppressors could fit. So, the only "truly" N variants are A2 and A3, fitted witn botn navy trigger and threaded muzzle, thus becoming A2N and A3N.

So, your "MP5N" is actually just an MP5A5 with RIS.

Same trigger thing goes for MP5K. Your "MP5K-PDW" is actually an MP5KA4 PDW.

8. Just for the record - our guys from Izhmash have changed the design of AK12 again:

http://imhocloud.com/images/2015/03/31/1272ba1.md.jpg

9. Original AK was never officially called "AK47", it is a western misconseption. It is called simply "AK".

10. AR-15 pack contains 13 gun models.

MOAR AR15 FOR DA GOD OF AR15!!!!!

I can see a ton of work been put in this pack. You are doing almost great, bringing the ArmA animations, finally, where they should have been from the start. Especially i've been amazed when i saw that the character actually uses the magpul's bolt release device in AR15 MOE. That is just so freakishly cool, man. Keep up the good work.

1. To quote the readme "Colt Model 727 "Commando" - "M4" Barrel, M16A2 Upper, Full-Auto Lower".    

3. It's simply a generic AR15 in .300 Blackout with a Dissipator upper, basically it's a Carbine heavy barrel with a low profile gas system, with rifle length furniture and a front post that isn't actually attached to the gas system. It's a civilian modification rather then something that would be practical for a modern military.

4. Again, can be explained as a private modification, it's kinda the theme of the pack.

6. Probably because adding in the civvy versions was just a matter of copying the A2 config and changing full to semi.

8. You mean Kalashnikov Concern? :P     

9. While it began as a misconception, at this point some 70 years later it's the official name in the West. Even collector level books and history books on the subject refer to the first issued AK as the AK-47. I'd liken it to how the AKs-74u is called the Krinkov in North America... and nowhere else. I'm just disappointed that calling it a "Kalash" never caught on outside Russia.

10. There's a worklist, right now the next AR-15 type rifles are the M16's in line 33. Right now the Patreon backer voting is leaning towards FN, HK and Magpul polymer stuff. So it might be a while before you see more AR-15's. Of course we won't know for sure until Toadie updates the list for the next cycle.           

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5. Machineguns have incorrect reload animation. While it is generally a good thing to charge the bolt before you load a new belt, to make absolutely sure that the gun is clear, you still have to charge the bolt after you load a new belt. There is no other way to put a first round in the chamber.

 

...incorrect, at least for the Minimi series. You cock the weapon at the beginning of the IA (which locks the working parts to the rear), lift the feed cover, sweep the feed tray, rounds on, feed cover down. Good to go.

 

Because the working parts are locked rearwards, pulling the trigger will feed a round into the chamber and fire it.

 

Watch

, 1:14 to 1:25 (same concept, albeit with a box mag rather than a new belt).

 

If you're referring to the M60, I've no idea, never handled or fired one.

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...incorrect, at least for the Minimi series. You cock the weapon at the beginning of the IA (which locks the working parts to the rear), lift the feed cover, sweep the feed tray, rounds on, feed cover down. Good to go.

 

Because the working parts are locked rearwards, pulling the trigger will feed a round into the chamber and fire it.

 

Watch

, 1:14 to 1:25 (same concept, albeit with a box mag rather than a new belt).

 

If you're referring to the M60, I've no idea, never handled or fired one.

Came here to say this, good job mate.

 

As for the M60, it's an open bolt design so by rights the IA should be the same.

 

Original poster needs to look up the difference in mechanisms between your regular assault rifles and machineguns.

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Note: i'm not putting any emotions in that post, nor i demand any action. I simply pointing out mistakes before i forget. So don't throw tomattoes if some mistakes were already adressed.

1.The "Colt Carbine" is really a confusing one. Since it has an M16A2-type upper reciever with complex rear sights and M16A1-type lower reciever, i would say that this is Colt Model 727. But. It also features an M4-type barrel with a cut-out for mounting M203A1/A2 GLs and M4-type 4th gen collapsible stock. While the barrel is fine, many of 727s were done with cut-out barrels, the stock looks really weird. Never 727 nor 733 did have 4th gen stocks.

This is 3rg gen stock:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c2/Stock_collapsible_3.jpg/400px-Stock_collapsible_3.jpg

This is 4th gen stock:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/8/85/Stock_collapsible_4.jpg/400px-Stock_collapsible_4.jpg

For a 100% super-authentic look it would be also nice to see an actual M16A2 lower reciever. However, since 727s were actually built on both A1 and A2 lowers, it is not such a big deal.

 

2. HK53 variant used in the mod is HK53A3. It is actually a somewhat important note, since HK53A2 had a fixed stock vs. collapsible stock on A3. I think i have also seen HK53 without 3-round burst mode once or twice, but i am not sure. Probably those were custom made builds.

Also, HK did manufacture 20- and 40-round mags for HK53s. Is it possible to incorporate those as a loadout option?

http://40.media.tumblr.com/7c374aabf7d38ae2dcaf07a84b827b3f/tumblr_nlh10lJ2R71u7i6uso1_1280.jpg

3. "AR15 .300 Dissipator" sounds like "Noname Random AR-15". Or did i miss something?

4. "Bushmaster .300 Carbine" is Bushmaster M4A3 converted into .300 Blackout. The appropriate name would be "Bushmaster XM15 E2S M4A3 .300", or simply "Bushmaster M4A3 .300".

However, the real Bushmaster .300 is called XM15 A2S, and it looks very different from M4A3. More like Magpul AR15 MOE:

https://www.bushmaster.com/img/firearms/90899_300AAC_BlackoutMain.jpg

5. Machineguns have incorrect reload animation. While it is generally a good thing to charge the bolt before you load a new belt, to make absolutely sure that the gun is clear, you still have to charge the bolt after you load a new belt. There is no other way to put a first round in the chamber.

6. Not sure if it's my problem or the mod's, but i have couple of issues with AUGs. Specifically, the character does not use the foregrip on A1 Para SMG, and trying to hold the gun by the barrel, thus holding the air. Also A2 Carbine seems to have the same 20-in barrel length as Full version, instead of appropriate 16-in. A1 variant does not have that problem, but it's barrel is still a bit longer than it should be, probaably 18 inches.

Grammar mistake: Tan version of AUG SR Carbine is erroneously called "AUGA SR", which throws it down in gun list.

Also, the AUG SR, AFAIK, is just the same thing as A2, but is imported US civilian market version, called "Special Reciever" for marketing purposes. So, why keeping two wersions of the same thing?

OMFG U LIV IN OSSTRALIA BUT U DIDN MAIK OSSTRALIAN AUGS WTF????? (caught heart attack, falls on the ground).

7. MP5. The "MP5N" is clearly not the actual one, since it has 4-position trigger group.

There are three different types of trigger groups for an MP5s. First is German "SEF" trigger group seen on A2 and A3 variants:

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5sefnavytg_350_detail.jpg

Then there is "navy" ambidextrous trigger group:

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5cpnavytg-2_1445_detail.jpg

Finally new A4 and A5 (as well as SD5 and SD6) variants use the 4-position "navy" trigger group:

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/mp5bursttg-2.jpg

Those are not to be confused with 3-pos "navy" wariants.

Another distinctive feature is the threaded muzzle. Usual A2 and A3 variants have three lugs on the muzzle for fitting the suppressors. However, when the US Navy contracted the HK for MP5s, they ordered the barrel to be additionally threaded at the muzzle, so the US-made 9mm suppressors could fit. So, the only "truly" N variants are A2 and A3, fitted witn botn navy trigger and threaded muzzle, thus becoming A2N and A3N.

So, your "MP5N" is actually just an MP5A5 with RIS.

Same trigger thing goes for MP5K. Your "MP5K-PDW" is actually an MP5KA4 PDW.

8. Just for the record - our guys from Izhmash have changed the design of AK12 again:

http://imhocloud.com/images/2015/03/31/1272ba1.md.jpg

9. Original AK was never officially called "AK47", it is a western misconseption. It is called simply "AK".

10. AR-15 pack contains 13 gun models.

MOAR AR15 FOR DA GOD OF AR15!!!!!

I can see a ton of work been put in this pack. You are doing almost great, bringing the ArmA animations, finally, where they should have been from the start. Especially i've been amazed when i saw that the character actually uses the magpul's bolt release device in AR15 MOE. That is just so freakishly cool, man. Keep up the good work.

1- Correct, sort of. It is a 727 and Inside US service as supplied by Colt, never had G4 stocks. Generally though the 727 carbines didn't have long lives in their stock configs anyway, because the M4 program basically made them redundant. The ones that stayed in service you'll find in various stages of integration into that system. I mean heck, there's "M4A1"s out there with Reserve units sporting XM177E2 Barrels,M16A2 lowers and first gen Carbine grips, I have pictures. Real answer though: I only had a G4 stock on hand when putting it together, and it wasn't outside the realm of plausiility.

2- Correct, yes. To the 20 and 40 rounders, maybe. I mean I know the HK53's already a pretty niche purpose weapon, I'm not sure there's be any actual benefit in adding them.

3-

It's simply a generic AR15 in .300 Blackout with a Dissipator upper, basically it's a Carbine heavy barrel with a low profile gas system, with rifle length furniture and a front post that isn't actually attached to the gas system. It's a civilian modification rather then something that would be practical for a modern military.

4- Technically yes.

5- as others have stated, the way I have done it is the way all Open-bolt LMGs are drilled for IA.

6- yeah, thosse have been brought to my attention before, they'll be fixed next patch, which will be soon. Re - SR vs A2 - A2 is the military reciever, has a shorter rail, capable of F/A and accepting the Para/SMG trigger pack, the SR is physically incapable of accepting either, BUT that makes it useful more as a DMR.

7- All points correct.

8- Noted, but I'm not likely to consider revisiting it until they nail the design down. Same with the A545.

9-

In the Soviet Union/Russia, yeah, but NATO actually does classify the original Type 1, 2, and 3 7.62x39mm rifles predating the AKM as the "AK-47", so it's not really wrong in a sense.

In effect, that. AK47 is a more recognisable as an identifier of what it is than just AK. I mean heck, if we were going to go out of our way for corrent nomenclature on them all, ALL of the AK rifles would need an "N" on the end, because they all are fitted with Dovetail rails.

 

10. Yes, later on.

10. There's a worklist, right now the next AR-15 type rifles are the M16's in line 33. Right now the Patreon backer voting is leaning towards FN, HK and Magpul polymer stuff. So it might be a while before you see more AR-15's. Of course we won't know for sure until Toadie updates the list for the next cycle.

Speaking of - haven't done the final tally, but it looks like after the G36s and ACRs, I'm going to be doing the Bren guns. There seems to have been a sudden anglo-resurgence in the polls and thrown the MG4 down like maybe two or three places.

I'll get to finalising those figures later this week, as I'm on the final texture maps on the SG510s. These are now a little out of date, but they get the point across - http://imgur.com/a/hsTH2

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...incorrect, at least for the Minimi series. You cock the weapon at the beginning of the IA (which locks the working parts to the rear), lift the feed cover, sweep the feed tray, rounds on, feed cover down. Good to go.

 

Because the working parts are locked rearwards, pulling the trigger will feed a round into the chamber and fire it.

 

Watch

, 1:14 to 1:25 (same concept, albeit with a box mag rather than a new belt).

 

If you're referring to the M60, I've no idea, never handled or fired one.

I was under the impression from this video:

But... dauym, son. I feel so retarded. I just forgot it fires from open bolt, so it doesn't matter when you charge. Gee.

 

 

 

1- Correct, sort of. It is a 727 and Inside US service as supplied by Colt, never had G4 stocks. Generally though the 727 carbines didn't have long lives in their stock configs anyway, because the M4 program basically made them redundant. The ones that stayed in service you'll find in various stages of integration into that system. I mean heck, there's "M4A1"s out there with Reserve units sporting XM177E2 Barrels,M16A2 lowers and first gen Carbine grips, I have pictures. Real answer though: I only had a G4 stock on hand when putting it together, and it wasn't outside the realm of plausiility.

2- Correct, yes. To the 20 and 40 rounders, maybe. I mean I know the HK53's already a pretty niche purpose weapon, I'm not sure there's be any actual benefit in adding them.

3-

4- Technically yes.

5- as others have stated, the way I have done it is the way all Open-bolt LMGs are drilled for IA.

6- yeah, thosse have been brought to my attention before, they'll be fixed next patch, which will be soon. Re - SR vs A2 - A2 is the military reciever, has a shorter rail, capable of F/A and accepting the Para/SMG trigger pack, the SR is physically incapable of accepting either, BUT that makes it useful more as a DMR.

7- All points correct.

8- Noted, but I'm not likely to consider revisiting it until they nail the design down. Same with the A545.

9-

In effect, that. AK47 is a more recognisable as an identifier of what it is than just AK. I mean heck, if we were going to go out of our way for corrent nomenclature on them all, ALL of the AK rifles would need an "N" on the end, because they all are fitted with Dovetail rails.

 

10. Yes, later on.

Speaking of - haven't done the final tally, but it looks like after the G36s and ACRs, I'm going to be doing the Bren guns. There seems to have been a sudden anglo-resurgence in the polls and thrown the MG4 down like maybe two or three places.

I'll get to finalising those figures later this week, as I'm on the final texture maps on the SG510s. These are now a little out of date, but they get the point across - http://imgur.com/a/hsTH2

4- Okay, i can live with that.

7- I... think i also forgot to mention that ALL of your MP5s have threaded muzzle. I mean, that's cool feature to have threading, but... well. They don't have it.

9- "N" suffix? Why not? After all, they are real military-issue guns. People will see this "N", say "WTF?", go there and ask, and will learn a bit more about AK rifles.

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7- I... think i also forgot to mention that ALL of your MP5s have threaded muzzle. I mean, that's cool feature to have threading, but... well. They don't have it.

9- "N" suffix? Why not? After all, they are real military-issue guns. People will see this "N", say "WTF?", go there and ask, and will learn a bit more about AK rifles.

7. Gameplay.

9. Gameplay and it not actually adding anything to go back and add an N suffix for the sake of being pedantic.

 

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7. Gameplay.

9. Gameplay and it not actually adding anything to go back and add an N suffix for the sake of being pedantic.

 

7- Gameplay what? Lugs on barrel still give you ability to attach the suppressor, it's just that the choice is limited. This game deserves authenticity.

[war_lord 934]

7- Gameplay what? Lugs on barrel still give you ability to attach the suppressor, it's just that the choice is limited. This game deserves authenticity.

If a good chunk of the MP5s don't have a threaded barrel, people are simply not going to use those MP5 types, or worse they'll assume it's a bug and ask Toadie to "correct" it (you should have been here for the release of the AUG pack). I don't think Toadie's intent with these packs is to provide a 100% milsim accurate rendition of the featured arms. As far as I can see (and correct me if I'm wrong Toadie) it's about giving the community cool toys to play with. Thus the presence of fictionalized weapons like a .300 Win Mag AWM-C and a full auto version of the BCM "Jack" Carbine.  

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If a good chunk of the MP5s don't have a threaded barrel, people are simply not going to use those MP5 types, or worse they'll assume it's a bug and ask Toadie to "correct" it (you should have been here for the release of the AUG pack). I don't think Toadie's intent with these packs is to provide a 100% milsim accurate rendition of the featured arms. As far as I can see (and correct me if I'm wrong Toadie) it's about giving the community cool toys to play with. Thus the presence of fictionalized weapons like a .300 Win Mag AWM-C and a full auto version of the BCM "Jack" Carbine.  

 

Most firearms do not come with threaded barrels unless specifically ordered that way. However you can change out the muzzle brake / flash hider for a threaded version like the AAC 51T Blackout and then mount a suppressor. Pistols require a threaded barrel mounted to the barrel itself, but they are commonly made, and changing the barrel on a modern combat pistol can be done in a few minutes in the field. As for the .300 Blackout integral suppressed rifle, yes that one does not exist, it was someones poorly formed dream. why they could not just take the AI AICS chassis and mount a .308 integral suppressed barrel with a 1/7 twist, glass bed the action, titanium rail the front, and twist flute the barrel, I will never understand. It would be cheaper, and practical as a subsonic .300 Win Mag is the freaking same as a subsonic .308, same bullets used, just that .300 Win Mag is a MAGNUM cartridge, it's specifically designed for super high velocities.

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Most firearms do not come with threaded barrels unless specifically ordered that way. However you can change out the muzzle brake / flash hider for a threaded version like the AAC 51T Blackout and then mount a suppressor. Pistols require a threaded barrel mounted to the barrel itself, but they are commonly made, and changing the barrel on a modern combat pistol can be done in a few minutes in the field. As for the .300 Blackout integral suppressed rifle, yes that one does not exist, it was someones poorly formed dream. why they could not just take the AI AICS chassis and mount a .308 integral suppressed barrel with a 1/7 twist, glass bed the action, titanium rail the front, and twist flute the barrel, I will never understand. It would be cheaper, and practical as a subsonic .300 Win Mag is the freaking same as a subsonic .308, same bullets used, just that .300 Win Mag is a MAGNUM cartridge, it's specifically designed for super high velocities.

Maybe it's due to "OMFG I WANT PAPUA MAGNUM IT IS SO FREAKING COOL, JESUS I WANT BABY FROM THIS RIFLE!!!11111oneoneone". Some people think of .338 as if it were some kind of superman cartridge. But that's fine. T've seen worse than that.

[Spartan0536 189]

Maybe it's due to "OMFG I WANT PAPUA MAGNUM IT IS SO FREAKING COOL, JESUS I WANT BABY FROM THIS RIFLE!!!11111oneoneone". Some people think of .338 as if it were some kind of superman cartridge. But that's fine. T've seen worse than that.

 

Well at least in ArmA we do not have to pay 4-5 USD per shot with the rifle like you would in RL. However there is a much more expensive round, the .408 Cheytac or "cheetah" in the game as BI calls it. Those suckers in the 419 grain VLD design cost around 7 1/2 USD per round. There is also this HUGE myth that snipers do not miss, even the best snipers in the world like Chris Kyle (USN SEAL), Carlos Hathcock (USMC), Rob Furlong (Canadian Light Infantry), or Craig Harrison (UK Household Cavalry), they all missed multiple shots before landing hits at extreme ranges (BTW Craig Harrison currently hold the world record for longest CONFIRMED kill, and it took him over 6 shots on a stationary target to land a hit). We currently have this epidemic of ACE ballistics snipers who use the range tables and the ATRAG MX's with extremely long range scopes that think they are some sort of sniper God, when they probably have 0 range time in RL. I have shot in long range competitions with a .308 (1000 yards) and 5.56 (800 yards) and its very difficult. Sure a hand-loaders calculated range table helps but that means very little in the real scope of things (just be to clear I have only been in 2 competitions, never won, but I did place 7th and 8th out of 42, these were only local/regional competitions, no money involved, just a prize for the top 3 shooters).

 

Now I will agree that .338 Lapua Magnum is a bad ass round, a bit pricey for its caliber but bad ass in performance. However .338 caliber projectiles in VLD designs are nothing new, and .300 Win Mag while not a capable at extreme ranges like 1500m are considerably more affordable and are quite popular in the CIV/LE/MIL groups for its performance within 1200m. All that being said, there is more to firearms and bullets than shoving a round in a chamber and pulling the trigger, certain bullets are designed specifically for certain tasks, this is why .338 Lapua Magnum is not popular in reality with semi-auto mechanisms. I will end my little rant with a favorite line I like to use often.... "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should".

[war_lord 934]

It's a video game, relax.

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It's a video game, relax.

Yo dawg, i'm cold like a snake, dawg.

[Spartan0536 189]

It's a video game, relax.

 

Its the requests that I get from time to time about "can you do this caliber and that bullet", that I usually have to explain why I am either considering or not and most of the time its not. Its one thing as a player to state "its just a game bro", its another to be a developer for a mod/mods and get requests for this, that & the other and are expected to deliver satisfaction. My hope is that sometimes with a little rant someone gets the picture and at least something positive comes from it.

[toadie2k 799]

If a good chunk of the MP5s don't have a threaded barrel, people are simply not going to use those MP5 types, or worse they'll assume it's a bug and ask Toadie to "correct" it (you should have been here for the release of the AUG pack). I don't think Toadie's intent with these packs is to provide a 100% milsim accurate rendition of the featured arms. As far as I can see (and correct me if I'm wrong Toadie) it's about giving the community cool toys to play with. Thus the presence of fictionalized weapons like a .300 Win Mag AWM-C and a full auto version of the BCM "Jack" Carbine.

 

 

7- Gameplay what? Lugs on barrel still give you ability to attach the suppressor, it's just that the choice is limited. This game deserves authenticity.

To put a bit of a calm on the storm of words brewing here-

Both of you are correct in your own right.

Yes, Arma absolutely deserves every bit of authenticity it can grab, within practical means. It's a game that thrives on getting as much of that realism as it can possibly muster.

But I also do "rule of cool" things  (or at least functionality over strict accuracy), when I'm forced to select between the two (which admittedly is actually fairly rare in Arma,except ballistics, which because i've got good resources for, will err on the side of authenticity because I know the margins on it).

As in the case of the MP5s, I overruled strict correctness on the muzzle devices for the sake of giving the pack a bit more utility.

Related case in point - AR15 muzzle attachments. Now within my AR pack specifically, but almost universally within a most weapon mods, you'll find that most ARs, or 556 rifles in general will share muzzle devices amongst class, even though, in a good percentage of cases there's no guarentee that they share compatible mounting systems. There are Mods that do, you know which ones they are and I respect the dedication to it, but especially those that use ASDG_JR support are willingly forgoing some technical authenticity to maintain some level of expectations of unilateral gameplay functionality. IMO that's sometimes more useful for most people.In particular, if for instance you're part of group that is somewhat gear/unit agnostic, having a bit of functionality stretch and overlap means you don't neccesarily have to commit yourself to having an all-encompassing mod set . So yes for practical utility purposes, all the non-K 9mm MP5s are ostensibly given "navy" muzzles.

So given this discussion going on, It's probably worth asking for the sake actually judging the climate of opinion, and I'm curious of other opinion on it -

 

Would anybody actually object if the MP5s were corrected so that non-navy models only accepted the AWC Agenda Six suppressor, rather than both?

[war_lord 934]

Personally it makes no difference to me, I consider the MP5 tactically obsolete anyways. And I suppose that, realistically, if one is running a silenced 9mm MP5 they're going to run an MP5SD anyway.

Soo, when does work start on J and K Toadie?  :P    

[Asgar 35]

hi, since i'm a noob, i wanted to ask if someone could tell me if there's a development roadmap to see what's coming in the future? 

edit: since i didn't find anyone mentioning it on the last 8 or so pages. does anyone know if todie planes to add the HK 416 family of weapons? 416, 417, M27  IAR? I'm currently using RH's weapon pack for those weapons and they are great...but nothing is as good as todies work  :)

[war_lord 934]

hi, since i'm a noob, i wanted to ask if someone could tell me if there's a development roadmap to see what's coming in the future? 

edit: since i didn't find anyone mentioning it on the last 8 or so pages. does anyone know if todie planes to add the HK 416 family of weapons? 416, 417, M27  IAR? I'm currently using RH's weapon pack for those weapons and they are great...but nothing is as good as todies work  :)

It's on the Worklist, the when depends on how the Patreon voting trends go. It might be a while before we see any HK 416 types. The G36 is on the horizon though.   

[Spartan0536 189]

It's on the Worklist, the when depends on how the Patreon voting trends go. It might be a while before we see any HK 416 types. The G36 is on the horizon though.   

 

Interestingly enough I was talking with Toadie2k last night about 416 derivatives, seeing as the HK416 has already been done by other modders (EricJ & SMA, & a few others) it might be nice to see a derivative from the CIV/LE sectors. This of course DOES NOT mean that this "idea" is going to happen soon or even happen at all, it was just a small discussion for potential ideas.

 

Here is what was breifly discussed as an "idea": http://pof-usa.com/

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To put a bit of a calm on the storm of words brewing here-

Both of you are correct in your own right.

Yes, Arma absolutely deserves every bit of authenticity it can grab, within practical means. It's a game that thrives on getting as much of that realism as it can possibly muster.

But I also do "rule of cool" things  (or at least functionality over strict accuracy), when I'm forced to select between the two (which admittedly is actually fairly rare in Arma,except ballistics, which because i've got good resources for, will err on the side of authenticity because I know the margins on it).

As in the case of the MP5s, I overruled strict correctness on the muzzle devices for the sake of giving the pack a bit more utility.

Related case in point - AR15 muzzle attachments. Now within my AR pack specifically, but almost universally within a most weapon mods, you'll find that most ARs, or 556 rifles in general will share muzzle devices amongst class, even though, in a good percentage of cases there's no guarentee that they share compatible mounting systems. There are Mods that do, you know which ones they are and I respect the dedication to it, but especially those that use ASDG_JR support are willingly forgoing some technical authenticity to maintain some level of expectations of unilateral gameplay functionality. IMO that's sometimes more useful for most people.In particular, if for instance you're part of group that is somewhat gear/unit agnostic, having a bit of functionality stretch and overlap means you don't neccesarily have to commit yourself to having an all-encompassing mod set . So yes for practical utility purposes, all the non-K 9mm MP5s are ostensibly given "navy" muzzles.

So given this discussion going on, It's probably worth asking for the sake actually judging the climate of opinion, and I'm curious of other opinion on it -

 

Would anybody actually object if the MP5s were corrected so that non-navy models only accepted the AWC Agenda Six suppressor, rather than both?

Hold a minute. I thought that suppressors of the same caliber do not differ except aesthetics? Anyway, i honestly don't much care, since i can change the barrel on MP5 in a matter of minutes (break the law allday errday!)

What is really interesting to know, is could we actually expect some accessories/secondary weapons pack from you in foreseeable future, or you going to keep expanding the primary weapon content.

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Interestingly enough I was talking with Toadie2k last night about 416 derivatives, seeing as the HK416 has already been done by other modders (EricJ & SMA, & a few others) it might be nice to see a derivative from the CIV/LE sectors. This of course DOES NOT mean that this "idea" is going to happen soon or even happen at all, it was just a small discussion for potential ideas.

 

Here is what was breifly discussed as an "idea": http://pof-usa.com/

Guns from Far Cry are never a good idea.