Need some help

[Jester983 0]

Okay im looking for a good .22 rifle and need some help. What do you recommend. Price range is about 350.

I have been looking into some remingtons and i was thinking of the 597. Anyone have that rifle?

Any help would be appreciated.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Remington 597 = Cheap (and bad) copy of a Ruger 10/22.

Go fo a Ruger, Savage also makes some nice bolt-action .22s

I suggest the Savage Mk II: Savage Mk II

or the Ruger 10/22:

Ruger 10/22

Personally, I have used my dad's old Winchester Model 57, and that was fine for me, but they are no longer produced. Wether you get a new or used rifle is up to you. How serious about shooting are you? What do you want to use the rifle for? Is it for target shooting to improve accuracy? Will you just plink tin cans with it? Are you going to do some light hunting with it?..... All of these things will factor into your purchase.

HTH

Tyler

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I like marlin, spelling?, and also does savage make a rifle/shotgun??

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">does savage make a rifle/shotgun?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes. Rifle/Shotgun

But why on God's green Earth would you wan't one for?

[Jester983 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Sep. 04 2002,01:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remington 597 = Cheap (and bad) copy of a Ruger 10/22.

Go fo a Ruger, Savage also makes some nice bolt-action .22s

I suggest the Savage Mk II: Savage Mk II

or the Ruger 10/22:

Ruger 10/22

Personally, I have used my dad's old Winchester Model 57, and that was fine for me, but they are no longer produced. Wether you get a new or used rifle is up to you. How serious about shooting are you? What do you want to use the rifle for? Is it for target shooting to improve accuracy? Will you just plink tin cans with it? Are you going to do some light hunting with it?..... All of these things will factor into your purchase.

HTH

Tyler<span id='postcolor'>

Well i plan to just go to a shooting range like every other month. maybe shoot out in the desert if i get the chance. As for hunting id love to get into it but the family is all busy. So i doubt hunting. Mainly I just want it for shooting ranges. Just to have some fun.

What about the ruger 10/22 sporter deluxe (sp?)? Have you heard anything about it?

Also are bolt actions easier to clean than magazine fed? And which would be better for someone who has never shot a bolt action.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Sep. 03 2002,19:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">does savage make a rifle/shotgun?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes. Rifle/Shotgun

But why on God's green Earth would you wan't one for?<span id='postcolor'>

Watch it with the holy words, you don know who you are talking to.

[eh remraf 0]

If you want a good gun, the rule of thumb is, it will not be cheap!

[Mister Frag 0]

Jester, if I remember correctly, you are fairly young, right? Please be aware that you must be 18 or older to buy a rifle or shotgun, and 21 or older to buy a handgun. There are also restrictions on your possession of firearms without supervision by a parent or legal guardian. Thus, your friendly neighbor cannot legally take you shooting, for instance.

More information can be found on the California Department of Justice Firearms Division web site.

[ralphwiggum 6]

jester, if i remember correctly, you live in Whittier, CA, and is in high school.

AFAIK, that pretty much stops you from going to ANY firing range in California without a parent there with you.

so go out to desert and shoot? just be careful not to get caught by CHP. you'd be facing a BIG legal problem.

my suggestion. (if you are under 18) get a pellet gun and practice with it. gun is not a thing like GI Joe. it's tool of destruction, and you need to be really serious when it comes to guns and safety.

[Jester983 0]

Damn you guys know too much about me....its a conspiracy...  j/k

I tried to get a pellet gun but it was too much hassle with my dad. I tried giving him all the hard evidence but i just gave up because i live in a pretty populated neigborhood. And he didnt like the idea of shooting it in the backyard. His only concern is that the pellet would go through the fence (it has cracks in it) and hit a neighbor.

So i asked about getting a .22. It has gone over a bit better with my dad than the pellet gun.

I do understand that i cant buy it myself. Which is why ill have my father buy it. And he also would take me to shooting ranges when he has free time.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also are bolt actions easier to clean than magazine fed? And which would be better for someone who has never shot a bolt action.<span id='postcolor'>

Bolt-Actions are magazine fed silly. But I know what you mean. In general, bolt actions tend to be more simple in construction than semi-autos, so they can be easier to clean. As for .22's, well, it all depends on the amount of shooting you are doing between cleanings but a .22 won't leave nearly as much fouling as an M-16 would. So I wouldn't worry about fouling.

I think a bolt-action is a good thing for someone with little experience with firearms. They are simple to operate, and a bolt action will teach you shot discipline better than a semi-auto ever would. But the choice is up to you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What about the ruger 10/22 sporter deluxe (sp?)? Have you heard anything about it?<span id='postcolor'>

Nope, I don't worry about the variants, its all essentially the same anyway. Besides, I don't own a 10/22. But on the other hand, there are websites and message forae dedicated to this rifle alone and I havent heard anything horrible about this rifle from it's owners that I know.

Rimfire Forum

HTH,

Tyler

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jester983 @ Sep. 04 2002,01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Damn you guys know too much about me....its a conspiracy...  j/k<span id='postcolor'>

wonders of internet...don't talk too much on the net.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I tried to get a pellet gun but it was too much hassle with my dad. I tried giving him all the hard evidence but i just gave up because i live in a pretty populated neigborhood.

So i asked about getting a .22. It has gone over a bit better with my dad than the pellet gun.

I do understand that i cant buy it myself. Which is why ill have my father buy it. And he also would take me to shooting ranges when he has free time.<span id='postcolor'>

can't beleive your dad considers .22 but not .177 maybe he will use it for himslef.

but seriously, with things like guns, DON'T RUSH!

one thing i can suggest is looking for those Airsoft air pistols that goes 10meters at most. you can set a target at 5 meters and practice with it. of course, my suggestion is that you adjust gas pressure accordingly so no one gets hurt.

[Jester983 0]

Yea ive looked into those but IMO i think i could get a nice .22 for the price of like the airsoft m16.

[Mister Frag 0]

Even the possession of air rifles, pellet guns, and BB guns by minors is controlled in Los Angeles County under Chapter 13.63 of the Los Angeles Public Peace, Morals, and Welfare Code.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I wanted a WW1 gun for awhile, but now I want my dreamcast to wrok on the net.

[USMC Sniper 0]

I would suggest you getting a BB gun, those are harmless (if used safely) and are good to practice with. I got a Glock 26 replica, semi-automatic. It's pretty fun to use, i made some targets (out of paper) and i put them up im my basement. The only thing that bugs me is that the plastic BB's ricochet too easily off walls and are easy to lose. My glock costs about 100 dollars canadian.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Yeah, there's the whole legal bit involved, but I assume that your Dad has that covered.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">my suggestion. (if you are under 18) get a pellet gun and practice with it. <span id='postcolor'>

Exactly, I learned to shoot with a Crosman .2289 Air Rifle, very accurate at 10m. I got it for Christmas when I was 14. Not before long I was shooting one hole groups with it. That rifle taught me how to shoot. That's how I got a 79/80 on my rifle qulification test with the Army. My groups were under 3 inches @ 100m. Not bad for someone who has only shot a centerfire rifle once before (on another Army test, that I got perfect on ), and was using standard issue ammo and rifle. The rifle was 12 years old, and was a mix and match of parts. The upper and lower reciever would rattle when you moved it.

Enough bragging, anyways........... I shoot my air rifles in my basement often, using a pellet trap and backstop. Good practice to have, if you ask me.

Tyler

[ralphwiggum 6]

and you tried to collect all those BB bullets? just get a new batch! j/k

yeah. if you are shooting those little BB balls, make sure you have a thick cloth behind the target, about a feet behind it. it will quickly stop the projectile and if you have a bucket or a container under it, it will fall right down to it.

after using BB gun for about a yr see if you want to really get into firearms. i can tell you that shooting real guns are different though...more freaking recoils. and noisier

[eh remraf 0]

Another reason california sucks. Anyways, one fun thing to do with BB guns, is to get a large group and play a variant of paintball, except using BBs. Fun as hell. As for firearms in Ohio, they aren't that strict around here. I have 3 AR15s, 2 .308 bolt actions, .22LR Bolt Action, and a 30/06 Bolt Action. I regularly go out on the local fire range to put a few holes in at 500 yards.

[RedRogue 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Sep. 03 2002,18:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also are bolt actions easier to clean than magazine fed? And which would be better for someone who has never shot a bolt action.<span id='postcolor'>

Bolt-Actions are magazine fed silly.  <span id='postcolor'>

*Cough* Single shots *Cough*

Unless you consider your hand a magazine....

Your #1 advantage to bolt action rifles are their simplicity. My Remington .22 single shot which was made in 72 I belive consists of the barrel, stock, trigger lever, and bolt. 4 pieces thats it.

Now your bolt-actions with internal magazines are slightly more complex but the actual action isn't that much different. BTW what exactly would you expect to hunt with a .22? Other than varmit its illegal to use it for any other game hunting in almost every state.

Edit: Thats 4 pieces that you would need to break it down into for you tech geeks.

Also if you do purchase a firearm or pellet/bb gun a word of advice. Too much gun oil is always worse that too little. If you add to much oil not only is it a ***** to keep the weapon clean externally, but the access oil will catch carbon and dirt/dust and foul the weapon quickly.

[Jester983 0]

Okay another question. Would it be a wise decision for me to take a NRA safety class?

[ralphwiggum 6]

YES! safety classes are ALWAYS good.

just throw out the political rhetoric if they have one.

and be sure to remember and apply what you learn. don't take it for granted. make sure you don't pop your eyes out!

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">*Cough* Single shots *Cough*

Unless you consider your hand a magazine....

<span id='postcolor'>

Hmmm. 'Magazine Fed' does not mean that the weapon is semi-auto. A magazine can feed a bolt-action or a semi-auto.

Infact, you can have your Remington 700 fitted to accept M-14 magazines. I'm not sure which company does it though.

Tyler

Edit: Jester, do not get a BB gun, they are horribly innacurate when comapred to most pellet rifles.

[Jester983 0]

well for 100 bucks i better remeber what i learned.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Too bad the ban was put down before I could get a mini14. I wanted one with a big ass mag