North Korea General

[sudayev 27]

moved

Edited July 8, 2015 by Sudayev

[mistyronin 1181]

look at Andorra, Switzerland , Finland

What should we look in these countries?

I known the three of them quite well as I lived or spent a last period of time (in Switzerland's case) in them.

In Finland around 13% own guns, the reason for more liberal laws is simple: because weapons were mostly used for - Hunting Animals.

Unless you consider children and adult humans animals... Because in Finland we have a good amount of those incidents.

In fact the mass school killings are the reason why laws have been changing in Finland lately (Rauma 1989, Tuusula 2007, Kauhajoki 2008).

Tho the problem in Finland is cultural, so it would take a long time to fix.

Edited July 7, 2015 by MistyRonin

[vilas 477]

what is the problem of culture of Finland ?

what you want to fix in Findland as you were not born there afair but you came there and lived in different countries (no roots, no tradition connected with one soil) "wherever i lay my hat is home" ?

changing natives culture ? why change anyone ?

if people lived decades or centuries with their mentality- why change it if they not invade anyone, only mentality to change is of those who invade others and try to bring their culture to others

Edited July 8, 2015 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

what is the problem of culture of Finland ?

What the last Govs in Finland have tried to fix is the lack of social interaction, xenophobia / racism, alcoholism, mental illness and other matters that caused the huge amount of homicides in the country.

what you want to fix in Findland as you were not born there afair but you came there and lived in different countries (no roots, no tradition connected with one soil) "wherever i lay my hat is home" ? [...]

Who said that I wanted to fix Finland (it's without any d in the middle)? I was forced to Finland due to familiar issues, and I lost more than €10,000 here, so I don't care much about the country :confused:

Second you don't know where I'm from, nor any concrete data on my life, so you should avoid making weird esoteric interpretations.

Edited July 8, 2015 by MistyRonin

[vilas 477]

xenophobia

does your grandfathers died in war for Finland independence in 1918 ?

because you would understand it if your grandfathers died fighting for independence of country in which you live

maybe Fins are more proof of political correctness than others because they had to fight for independence like we had to fight ,

people whose grandfathers died to get independence are different cause they know how independence is important and what is price of freedom,

[mistyronin 1181]

does your grandfathers died in war for Finland independence in 1918 ?

because you would understand it if your grandfathers died fighting for independence of country in which you live

maybe Fins are more proof of political correctness than others because they had to fight for independence like we had to fight ,

people whose grandfathers died to get independence are different cause they know how independence is important and what is price of freedom,

As usual, if you have no idea of how Finland or Finns are, or its history, better to be quiet than make a fool of yourself.

The War of Finnish independence BTW was just a proxy war of the Russian Revolution, a war between nobles (whites) against communist (reds).

My family has suffered a lot of repression for fighting for the independence of my homeland (my granfather spent time in Fascist / Nazi concentration camps, my father had to hide for a long time, burn lots of documents, long etc.).

[vilas 477]

so you should understand that people simply want to have their home for themselves - it is natural if families of those people struggled for something

[mistyronin 1181]

so you should understand that people simply want to have their home for themselves - it is natural if families of those people struggled for something

What does your absurd hypothesis have to do with what I said, and you were trying to reply?

What the last Govs in Finland have tried to fix is the lack of social interaction, xenophobia / racism, alcoholism, mental illness and other matters that caused the huge amount of homicides in the country.

To understand xenophobia in Finland, you would have to understand how Finns were living in isolated spots, without having much contact with others mainly inside the woods so they suffer from inbreeding. While Swede colonialist occupied the coasts for hundreds of years. That's why they have a really similar gene pool (because they didn't mix much with any other genetic group) hence they have an insanely huge amount of illness, syndromes and allergies.

Edited July 8, 2015 by MistyRonin

[Caselius 94]

Sorry for being bit off-rails on this topic, just clarifying couple points based on regarding gun laws, they are much more strict than in USA after those incidents:

You must first fill in application where you state the reason you are applying for weapon license, and the potential use of the weapon and the place you will store it. For example "self-sefence" no valid reason to buy an weapon, but for example hunting is. The usage must be also proven with evidence (Membership of gun club, shooting as hobby etc.)

Then Police will do an background check for the applicant and previous crimes can lead the application to be denied. If everything until that is okay, the applicant must take an psychological test and at some cases an interview if there are some uncertain things.

When the weapon is licensed, it must be presented to the local Police Department in 30 days. After that, the license is only part time and it must be done again later on. Law also states that weapon must not be carried in the public without having it covered and having proper reason to do so. It also needs to be stored on a place where it cannot be stolen (locked place), Police will sometimes inspect the places the weapons to be stored and approves/declines them.

I'd say the biggest problem here are the unregistered weapons and other illegal weaponry now, it has been a problem for years.

[mistyronin 1181]

Sorry for being bit off-rails on this topic, just clarifying couple points based on regarding gun laws, they are much more strict than in USA after those incidents

Indeed, it's what I was commenting before, that a lot of work has been done on that direction :)

In fact the mass school killings are the reason why laws have been changing in Finland lately (Rauma 1989, Tuusula 2007, Kauhajoki 2008).

I'd say the biggest problem here are the unregistered weapons and other illegal weaponry now, it has been a problem for years.

Well illegal weapons are just one of the problems IMO, all the others I mentioned before are still big problems involved in homicides (the worst by far alcoholism, but also mental illnesses, racism, etc.). You just have to check Yle or the Ilta-Sanomat.

(The Guardian) Finland: a country of extremes

"But what about suicides, depression, alcoholism and our cold, dark winters?" many Finns protested yesterday, after Newsweek named Finland "the best country in the world". Scored for education, health, quality of life, economic dynamism and political stability, Finland narrowly beat Switzerland (2) and our neighbours and arch rivals, Sweden (3). As ever, our foreign minister, Alexander Stubb, was more positive, urging the Finns for once "to express their pride and sincere joy for the honour".

Just the cover news in IS:

(Ilta-Sanomat, in Finnish) The second victim Laajasalo killed by heavy criminal: Revenge Tour and cocaine Kinder-egg in

Another victim Laajasalo double slew attended a few years ago revenge skinhead club premises. He was also sentenced to 110 kilo hasislastin organize Finland and Kinder-egg housing the hidden cocaine. The man was a member of the United Brotherhood.

Edited July 8, 2015 by MistyRonin

[vilas 477]

to change people you need 5 generations not 2-3,

if NK would ever get freedom even in 2030, than people there would live normally but in 2100

[mistyronin 1181]

to change people you need 5 generations not 2-3,

if NK would ever get freedom even in 2030, than people there would live normally but in 2100

In my experience it doesn't take that long. Check former dictatorships, like Eastern Germany or Poland itself.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Wasn't this topic about North Korea ?

[vilas 477]

Eastern Germany was divided from Germany for 2 generations only, and it is not that big deal to fix to unite families,

in case of Poland we still have issues to countries which occupied us before 1918 although 90 years passed

and we still remember WW2 crimes against us,

i doubt it is faster ,

faster you can unite families divided 40 years later , but when country was occupied by other country - it is different than joining gransons,

and in socialism here level of brainwashing was 0.1% of level in NK

even if someone would invade NK to prevent those people from die from starvation - they will fight against those who is bringing freedom

Wasn't this topic about North Korea ?

indeeed - offtopic came from comparing NK to Putin's Russia ;)

[sudayev 27]

@Mistyronin @vilas @oxmox

Would you stop DERAILING this thread. Please discuss European matters in a respective thread. This is North Korea talk only.

Thank you.

[mistyronin 1181]

Would you stop DERAILING this thread. Please discuss European matters in a respective thread. This is North Korea talk only.

Since when talking about how the North Koreans would take to get use to freedom is not about North Korea? :j:

Check my last post in the thread:

In my experience it doesn't take that long (to get used to freedom). Check former dictatorships, like Eastern Germany or Poland itself.

The Finland thing was a reply to Vilas' comparison of NK with Russia (as he well said above).

[sudayev 27]

Story from May click has come to an end.

Kim Jong Un had terrapin farm manager executed

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/07/06/Kim-Jong-Un-had-terrapin-farm-manager-executed-says-source/3151436190404/

Terrapins breeded at this farm were supposed to be sold on some sort of "gourmet market" for high ranking regime officials, truth is NK regime is experimenting with farming of exotic animals (ostrich, terrapins, lobsters) to fill meat shortages on domestic market.

[vilas 477]

it is funny to see Kim ordering everyone what to do and their noting it on paper , i know it is sad, but in fact for us it is funny because we know that noone has knowledge in all areas , especialy technical where knowledge is usually very narrow ( i worked 10 years in narrow electronic branch)

[sudayev 27]

The scale of public executions is rampant and public executions are used by the regime to keep regular people and regime officers obedient. It estimated that 1,400 executions were carried between years 2000-2013.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jul/06/north-korea-public-executions

[barnEbiss-SIP 10]

The scale of public executions is rampant and public executions are used by the regime to keep regular people and regime officers obedient. It estimated that 1,400 executions were carried between years 2000-2013.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jul/06/north-korea-public-executions

And that is just the public executions and does not count the ones that took place in camps and prisons..

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

North Korea's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea said in a statement that the South's shutdown of Kaesong was a "dangerous declaration of war" and a "declaration of an end to the last lifeline of the North-South relations." Such over-the-top rhetoric is typical of the North's propaganda, but the country appeared to be backing up its language with its strong response.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-north-korea-military-takeover-20160211-story.html

A shut down of the last Peaceful bridge between the North and South, means that the DPRK intends to possibly keep a very dangerous stance towards North Korea. This comes at a time when tensions are already active volcano high, with recent Nuke tests, rocket launches and nuclear reactor restarts by the North, while Souel plans on deploying US made THAAD systems to defend against any such attacks from the North. China has condemned the idea of THAAD because it means that South Korea could use it against them in an event of Chinese Intervention. Russian state news also stated that deploying THAAD, would cause an arms race in the Asian Peninsula.

[Tonci87 163]

A few days ago Kim executed his army leader, because of "corruption"

I actually think NK might be close to breaking down. China has been less than pleased with them the last few year and support might be dropping.

[ProfTournesol 956]

A few days ago Kim executed his army leader, because of "corruption"

I actually think NK might be close to breaking down. China has been less than pleased with them the last few year and support might be dropping.

 

I don't know. I'm not sure they would like NK to become like SK, a close US ally.

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

I don't know. I'm not sure they would like NK to become like SK, a close US ally.

They would be less than pleased. Mainly due to the whole South China sea situation and the fact US has a hard pact with Taiwan. It's China's worst nightmare for South Korea to unite while the US and it's influence is still present, and close to it's borders already. However, it's sad to believe that China really would rather have such a reclusive state over one that's modernized and developed, and civilized for the most part. They simply don't want easier access to their mainland via. Korea.

 

What blows my mind though, is how China and Russia could get upset over the deployment of THAAD, which is a strict defensive measure, rather than offensive.

[Wiki 1558]

Sounds like a good scenario for ArmA 4 :P