New resistance addon

[Antichrist 0]

I don't think we should show anything from Breathe forums unless we are allowed to by the person who made the addon.

[kegetys 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Antichrist @ June 17 2002,13:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think we should show anything from Breathe forums unless we are allowed to by the person who made the addon.<span id='postcolor'>

You arent even supposed to be talking about the whole forums I believe...

[Major Fubar 0]

What is this Top Secret bullshit?

[STS_SolidSnake 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ June 17 2002,13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is this Top Secret bullshit?  <span id='postcolor'>

its right here but only modmaker can see it, its like the addons & mods forum but hidden and restricted

[Paratrooper 0]

The limited release of oxygen is one thing, but I find secret clubs and forums objectionable.

[PSC 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ June 17 2002,15:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The limited release of oxygen is one thing, but I find secret clubs and forums objectionable.<span id='postcolor'>

Maybe a limited forum is not nice (for those who cannot access it), but it is necessary and comes hand in hand with Oxygene. How do you guys think we should discuss Oxygene related stuff if we are not supposed to talk about it's details in public? We need something like that to communicate about our problems and share our solutions. I hope you will understand that.

PSC

[Die Alive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (STS_SolidSnake @ June 17 2002,08:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its right here but only modmaker can see it, its like the addons & mods forum but hidden and restricted<span id='postcolor'>

Area 51?

-=Die Alive=-

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

No, Area O2

[STS_SolidSnake 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ June 17 2002,16:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (STS_SolidSnake @ June 17 2002,08:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its right here but only modmaker can see it, its like the addons & mods forum but hidden and restricted<span id='postcolor'>

Area 51?

-=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'>

Nope, Area O2

[Scorpio 0]

had to edit post, placebo would be angry,

[Lukin 0]

yeah, i HATE seeing pics of stuff from the o2 forums, coz i want those addons sooooooooo bad, who is a moderator here? coz i work at collateral damage mod and at Internal Editing (site shud be up l8r) please have a reply to this post

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah, i HATE seeing pics of stuff from the o2 forums, coz i want those addons sooooooooo bad.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, it's sooo ridiculous that addons that are almost done or are done but for a mod can't be released. So far there's been only few completely new O2 addons (new model etc.) and how many weeks ago O2 was given to modelers, a quite long time ago. I don't really get it why mod teams can't release their addons, addons in OFP work without any actual mod so you just need the addons (unless you change the game code which is quite impossible now). *Sigh* I should have started modeling. I really waited for good addons when I heard Oxygen given to mods but now... ...guess I have to wait few months.

[Indychuck 0]

9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kegetys @ June 17 2002,139)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You arent even supposed to be talking about the whole forums I believe...<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah that's my point. When you have people stealing models and then telling everyone about stuff like this. How can you expect those people to act with integrity? It's not just on these forums either. You had all these teenagers scrambling to get into the Oxygen club so they can feel cool. Meanwhile you have real mod markers denied one due to limited release. You can list the people that had made any good or just any Oxygen things on one hand. One name that comes to mind at this moment is Kegetys. And you don't see him going around telling everybody he just does it  

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Indychuck @ June 17 2002,22:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kegetys @ June 17 2002,13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You arent even supposed to be talking about the whole forums I believe...<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah that's my point. When you have people stealing models and then telling everyone about stuff like this. How can you expect those people to act with integrity? It's not just on these forums either. You had all these teenagers scrambling to get into the Oxygen club so they can feel cool. Meanwhile you have real mod markers denied one due to limited release. You can list the people that had made any good or just any Oxygen things on one hand. One name that comes to mind at this moment is Kegetys. And you don't see him going around telling everybody he just does it  <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

I agree. However moreover I believe I was told that there are 65 people who have Oxygen based on some info from this forum a friend of mine found. I can look it up to see exactly where he found it. At any rate only a fraction of those seem to be active. What in the hell happened to all those other Oxygen users? It REALLY REALLY pisses me off that people who are so damn lucky to get oxygen then just sit on it and do nothing with it.

I'm sorry but BIS has handled this whole Oxygen affair rather sloppily. I know that they don't like being heard criticized about that and this post will probably be wiped from the forum, but they need to hear it. The idea of quality control has already been proven. Sure a few excellent addon makers were given Oxygen and they have made good use of it. However they were also giving it to alot of Tom, Dick, and Harry's who don't seem to know jack about modelling or who apparently decided that they didn't want to make any addons because it was too hard. So they're just sitting on Oxygen it seems. So what you end up with is a few hardcore mod makers and a bunch of people harrassing them to release mods that are perfect. BIS SERIOUSLY needs to AT LEAST release Oxygen to the dozens of other individuals who have already signed the non-disclosure papers for it and who have been sitting around waiting for it, but have received nothing. I know they're busy with Resistance, but can they not spare one person to at least handle this? Come on at least get Nada to do it! (Ah we all love Nada!!

Either that or they need to include Oxygen with the Resistance expansion pack. After all they said it would be their last addon pack for OFP. I know BIS has good people working their so I hope that they take a good look at what is going on, and understand that a healthy, well supported mod community equals happy customers and happy, steady sales figures for them. Or... they can be like Novalogic who has crap customer support and zero mod support.

If anyone from BIS is reading this, please don't let the company become another Novalogic. It will only be a matter of time before another company creates a similar game engine to that of OFP. When they do, if the OFP community is disillusioned and demoralized, they will move on to another similar game community for a newer game similar to OFP but with a company that provides better support. That's what I did anyways. Novalogic dropped the ball on what could have been a very promising game engine. BIS picked up the ball and ran with it to create an even more realistic infantry simulation. But if BIS drops the ball someone else will pick it up and run with it and I will follow that leader.

So I hope that BIS makes me believe in them 100% once again and that they do not drop the ball.

But other then that, I think BIS has been doing a good job and I'm really looking forward to OFP-Resistance.

So I'm not disillusioned yet and I still have hope...hope that BIS comes through on their promises and really brings the MOD community to life with full support after OFP-Resistance is released. This secret hush hush thing only serves to divide the OFP community further and contribute to poor morale, distrust between members, and a lack of loyalty or trust towards BIS.

Anyways...normally I'm the last person to whine about the Oxygen situation but at this point, a reminder is needed for BIS I think as they come closer to the release date of OFP-Resistance. I am VERY happy with most of the unofficial Oxygen produced addons so far (some have been disappointing), but the community could be so much more alive and vibrant if at least the Oxygen tool is made available publicly. Not only that, teams with multiple Oxygen users could be formed to allow for quicker and less stressful addon production times. In other words more of the workload could be shared. The thing about quality control has already been proved to be false. Yes there will be more crap addons when Oxygen is released publicly, but it should be exactly proportional to the crap addons/good addons ratio that we have currently with the limited number of Oxygen users.

Another words the only thing that will change is that there will be more addon of both types.

Anyways, those are my *constructive* criticisms and I hope that any BIS moderator will perhaps forward them and kindly not delete them from the server (which would make me more the a little bitter towards BIS if that happens since I have been a very big supporter of them since the first OFP demo came out).

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>