walker 0 Posted November 1, 2011 Hi all Polish pilot makes text book wheels up landing and saves everyone. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15543209 Kind Regards walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcash2009 0 Posted November 1, 2011 Smooth under the circumstances, that's 230 people with brown trousers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) Hi all Video for anyone who cannot see the BBC News Report. H4YO1hEy0Jg The BBC film is more complete though and includes additional angles and the final bit of the landing. Apparently flown by Captain Tadeusz Wrona and First Officer Jerzy Szwarc. The aircraft out of Newark NJ and lost central hydraulic systems just 30 minutes after take off. Reports are saying it was was landed using only the Rudder! Kind Regards walker Edited November 1, 2011 by walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted November 1, 2011 walker said: Hi allThe BBC film is more complete though and includes additional angles and the final bit of the landing. Apparently flown by Captain Tadeusz Wrona and First Officer Jerzy Szwarc. The aircraft out of Newark NJ and lost central hydraulic systems just 30 minutes after take off. Reports are saying it was was landed using only the Rudder! Kind Regards walker If this is true then... then we have seem one of the most spectacular landings in the world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dead3yez 0 Posted November 2, 2011 I wouldn't have any large commercial aircraft pilot flying at all without having the experience and competence required to make a gear-up landing successfully if necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Hi all Confirmation of Captain and Co-Pilots identity: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204528204577011912169877568.html Still trying to confirm that the cause was loss of central hydraulic systems is:CONFIRMED http://atwonline.com/operations-maintenance/news/lot-767-lands-safely-warsaw-after-hydraulic-system-failure-1101 The report that the failure occured just 30 minutes after take off is also:CONFIRMED http://avherald.com/h?article=4456bd6b&opt=0 And that the landing was consequently made with rudder control only. IS NOT YET CONFIRMED Further video d-N1L82VVoM Kind Regards walker Edited November 2, 2011 by walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
froggyluv 2136 Posted November 2, 2011 Haha! Well done! Amazing and makes me wanna go hug a pilot :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 2, 2011 Amazing piloting! I also read that fire fighters spread the runway with special foam to make the landing safer, good to see people were thinking ahead! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted November 2, 2011 I was watching this live on our television with simultaneous plane tracing via flightradar. I was sure of pilots skills and there wasn't any other option but to land. Pilot Tadeusz Wrona is very experienced pilot 9working with the airlines since 80's), he started piloting gliders at the age of 15 years old and since this he is known for his nerves of steel and professional manners when flying. Splendid job once again - pilots, passengers and all the land crews at WAW. These pilots from LOT are the people you can trust. This company is very strict when it comes to pilot training, they spend a lot of time executing emergency scenarios and procedures via simulators. Sim training was very crucial here, not to mention superb handling and nerves. Unfortunately our military pilots that crashed in Smolensk lacked of such sim training due to budget cuttings in the air force. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 IN 1 0 Posted November 2, 2011 Try ditching, you may find that it is easier to land on hard earth with Landing gear up, not that gear up crash landing is easy thing to do(it is hard), it just that ditching is much harder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PELHAM 10 Posted November 2, 2011 Good video on Fox - someone was standing at the end of the runway with a camera and the aircraft passes over him! http://video.foxnews.com/v/1253372619001/767-lands-without-landing-gear/?playlist_id=162726 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
celery 8 Posted November 2, 2011 Good landing but nothing that would entitle him to be the best pilot ever just for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcash2009 0 Posted November 2, 2011 PELHAM said: Good video on Fox - someone was standing at the end of the runway with a camera and the aircraft passes over him!http://video.foxnews.com/v/1253372619001/767-lands-without-landing-gear/?playlist_id=162726 Although it was required for safety reasons, I loved the way they dealt with the section about all other flights using this airline model ... lets not scare the crap out of others now :eek::) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krzychuzokecia 719 Posted November 2, 2011 walker said: And that the landing was consequently made with rudder control only.IS NOT YET CONFIRMED Well, it's true, but it's... not true. :) While in air, airplane was fully controllable - every system (apart from landing gear) was working. Hard part begun when plane hit the ground - without steerable wheels you can't control movement of the plane on the runway surface. All you can do to not end up on grass is use plane's rudder - that's what cpt. Tadeusz Wrona did. Sudayev said: These pilots from LOT are the people you can trust. This company is very strict when it comes to pilot training, they spend a lot of time executing emergency scenarios and procedures via simulators. Sim training was very crucial here, not to mention superb handling and nerves. Yep, LOT has probably one of the best air personnel in Europe. Many from their pilots are retired military pilots with hours spend in cockpits of jet fighters, and they say that after such experience flying modern commercial airliner is child's play. But unfortunately there are still problems with ground personnel and maintenance - especially with LOT's Embraers which are told to be complete (and dangerous) rubbish (on a side note: LOT's Embs were chosen to serve as VIP planes after Smolensk air crash - how would you call that? Stupid, at least?). But it's also true what Dead3yez and Celery say - it wasn't really something special. First, training of such situations is normal in majority of airline companies. Second, cpt. Wrona was in very comfortable situation, with controllable plane and in good weather. In polish media I can hear comparing yesterday's accident with Hudson Bay landing or already mentioned Smolensk crash. To be honest we can't compare these situations: cpt. Sullenberger had lost his two engines while cpt. Protasiuk (pilot of Tu-154 in Smolensk) tried to land in bad weather and was mislead by the ATC (according to Polish report). We can only thank God that cpt. Wrona had no such problems... And interesting (and funny) information about captain's name: Wrona in Polish is name for Hooded Crow - bird species. Since yesterday many people say "fly like an eagle, but land like a crow". ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 IN 1 0 Posted November 2, 2011 krzychuzokecia said: But it's also true what Dead3yez and Celery say - it wasn't really something special. First, training of such situations is normal in majority of airline companies. Second, cpt. Wrona was in very comfortable situation, with controllable plane and in good weather. In polish media I can hear comparing yesterday's accident with Hudson Bay landing or already mentioned Smolensk crash. To be honest we can't compare these situations: cpt. Sullenberger had lost his two engines while cpt. Protasiuk (pilot of Tu-154 in Smolensk) tried to land in bad weather and was mislead by the ATC (according to Polish report).We can only thank God that cpt. Wrona had no such problems... And interesting (and funny) information about captain's name: Wrona in Polish is name for Hooded Crow - bird species. Since yesterday many people say "fly like an eagle, but land like a crow". ;) ^This +1 It is funny how people try to compare things that are totally different. (And did I just hear fox news quote one of the passenger saying something about cpt. Sullenberger?):rolleyes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.Taffy 10 Posted November 2, 2011 That's certainly some supreme piloting skill, though I'm not sure it would make him the best pilot. I would say that the guy who landed his airliner on the Hudson River pulled of one of, if not the most impressive landings ever. There are probably exaples of ever more daring and skillful landings than even that though! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kernriver 4 Posted November 4, 2011 I think this was a very special landing, just ask people onboard the plane. ;) krzychuzokecia said: And interesting (and funny) information about captain's name: Wrona in Polish is name for Hooded Crow - bird species. Since yesterday many people say "fly like an eagle, but land like a crow". ;) First thing I thought when I heard his name was: the crow has landed. :) (In croatian crow is spelled vrana, it's similar in most Slav languages I guess) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlGustaffa 4 Posted November 5, 2011 PELHAM said: Good video on Fox - someone was standing at the end of the runway with a camera and the aircraft passes over him!http://video.foxnews.com/v/1253372619001/767-lands-without-landing-gear/?playlist_id=162726 Doesn't work for me, access denied. Probably want to hide for the rest of the world how bad they really are? :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pummel 10 Posted November 5, 2011 Impressive. Although most of these commercial pilots are incredible. I have seen some others on youtube, although this is as good as any. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlGustaffa 4 Posted November 6, 2011 Page works now, but not the video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites