chortles 263 Posted February 10, 2013 We have no idea because fixed-wing wasn't talked about at all in 2012. :( There's a video, I believe the helicopters interview (4/7?) that GameStar.DE did with Jay Crowe where the helicopter takes damage from anti-air fire, but otherwise we see nothing of the damage model for aircraft in 2012. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 So that means another arcade/pathetic flight model ?.... How pity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smurf 12 Posted February 10, 2013 Which is a shame for an aircraft simulator. No....wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) But should not be it "military simulator" too ? Arma 3 the ultimate milsim with good firearms and "very simplified" tank/aircraft models ( not units ) kinda arcade though. Edited February 10, 2013 by raptor90 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maio 293 Posted February 10, 2013 But should not be it "military simulator" too ? No, because the ArmA series never was a simulator :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) No ? Damn i thought it was. But wait what it is then ? "Battlefield - Czech version" ? Edited February 10, 2013 by raptor90 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HKFlash 9 Posted February 10, 2013 No ? Damn i thought it was.But wait what it is then ? "Battlefield - Czech version" ? Digital Combat Simulator is for many, including me, the only true, all around, military simulator. No other "game" has as much fidelity in both land, sea and air combat. ARMA is an open-world/sandbox tactical shooter. Your weapons don't even jam and you can't even deploy bipods but I'll stop here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 Your weapons don't even jam and you can't even deploy bipods but I'll stop here. Why ? The tank damage system is like arcade but bit better, the aircraft damage/flight system is even worse but yes, the small firearms has real sounds thats awesome, and you have different stances for your character. Thats awesome really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
purepassion 22 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) It is an awesome game that offers more realistic functionality than any other game on the market but however it is not a "simulator" as to what a real "simulator" like VBS2 is. I think Jay nailed it pretty accurate "Arma 3 is a unique, infantry-centric military game built upon appropriate, useful & engaging elements of simulation. It's an accessible platform for a variety of official & community playable/ sandbox content, based on the principles of authenticity, diversity & opportunity." We dont need to fight about that any more :) To pull the thread to the right direction again, the stationary XM312 and XM307 have been worked on as well :) http://www.abload.de/img/xmka_thndeu8f.jpg Edited February 10, 2013 by PurePassion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Coulum- 35 Posted February 10, 2013 No, because the ArmA series never was a simulator It never was, but no doubt at one time it did want to be...http://www.covergalaxy.com/forum/attachments/pc/7329d1259227721-arma-ii-armed-assault-ii-front-cover-arma-ii-us-cover.jpg But definitely with arma 3, BIS seem to be veering towards "dynamic sandbox" over "ultimate military simulator", even though a3 will still probably be the most realistic game out of the series. To pull the thread to the right direction again, the stationary XM312 and XM307 have been worked on as well http://www.abload.de/img/xmka_thndeu8f.jpg Nice, where is this a picture of/from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeMeSiS 11 Posted February 10, 2013 ArmA simulates the effect of vehicles on a battlefield pretty well, you dont need to simulate each and every aspect of a vehicle for that. Its pretty clear that that has always been the goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalcraze 290 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) But should not be it "military simulator" too ?Arma 3 the ultimate milsim with good firearms and "very simplified" tank/aircraft models ( not units ) kinda arcade though. This is a simulator devs! Make all the things! No ? Damn i thought it was.But wait what it is then ? "Battlefield - Czech version" ? What is DCS A-10C then? Tanks in it behave like plastic toys! "HAWX - Russian version"? What is Steel Beasts Pro? I can see infantry AT team running around in it but the AT missile spawns right out of thin air above them! "World of Tanks - German version"? Edited February 10, 2013 by metalcraze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
purepassion 22 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) Nice, where is this a picture of/from? The almighty Arma 3 dev-mode :pet13: Edited February 10, 2013 by PurePassion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 ArmA simulates the effect of vehicles on a battlefield pretty well, you dont need to simulate each and every aspect of a vehicle for that. Its pretty clear that that has always been the goal. And so do it BF3 though... With better graphics. Of course it has a lot smaller maps but still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalcraze 290 Posted February 10, 2013 And so do it BF3 though... With its hp bar for tanks and APCs and no penetration simulation whatsoever? RIGHT With better graphics. If you call 2D trees and grassy fields looking more like a desert like that - then yeah... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 This is a simulator devs! Make all the things!What is DCS A-10C then? Tanks in it behave like plastic toys! "HAWX - Russian version"? What is Steel Beasts Pro? I can see infantry AT team running around in it but the AT missile spawns right out of thin air above them! "World of Tanks - German version"? Yes and ? What does means "Ultimate military simulator " to you ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maio 293 Posted February 10, 2013 Yes and ?What does means "Ultimate military simulator " to you ? A marketing communication slogan :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalcraze 290 Posted February 10, 2013 That and that it simulates much more stuff than any other game? Which it does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) With its hp bar for tanks and APCs and no penetration simulation whatsoever? RIGHT Arma 3 will have some penetration simulation ? Where did you read that ? Edited February 10, 2013 by raptor90 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalcraze 290 Posted February 10, 2013 Arma 3 will have some penetration simulation ? Where did you read that ? ArmA has penetration simulation since OFP release back in 2001. That's for 12 years now. Good morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 That and that it simulates much more stuff than any other game? Which it does. Are you so sure ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalcraze 290 Posted February 10, 2013 Are you so sure ? Yes. The rest of the simulation games usually have 1-2 vehicles simulated close to ~95% (yes even Falcon 4.0 didn't have everything simulated in its only F-16) while the rest is a purely abstract representation. While the focus of ArmA is obviously more on the infantry side - even "arcadey" tanks, choppers, planes have fair ballistics, you can damage different systems on them with varied effects (like shooting off rotor or puncturing the fuel tank, damaging tank tracks, popping car wheels, disabling fire control systems, killing/wounding the crew without actually destroying the vehicle and so on) and they aren't controlled like toys-pretending-to-be-vehicles from BF3 where Apache can do a 180 degree turn at full speed. So you have a "true" sim like Black Shark? So yeah they've spent years developing a single chopper but tanks still behave like cardboard cutouts and aerial vehicles are mere abstractions that do not abide by the same simulation rules as the titular Kamov chopper does. Considering that it's impossible for any dev studio, no matter how big, to do a 100% simulation of everything and not go bankrupt in the process/have their devs die of old age - I'd say ArmA does a pretty damn good job at simulating all stuff within it. Because while Blackhawk in it isn't a true to real life representation, it's not some arcade abstraction from all other games not dedicated to it and does take some piloting skills to fly instead of just holding W and moving mouse around like in Battlefield games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisb 196 Posted February 10, 2013 Well certainly its not a simulator, or BIS is wasting their time with VBS. It’s a game that needs a certain amount of reality/belief suspension. We know a tank doesn’t disintegrate like that when fully hit and destroyed, we understand that aircraft, on the whole, don’t usually leave much behind when they have gone down, other than bits, of course. It simulates some things better than others, but it’s a game, so why should it have to go too far into every detail. It has soo much going on, it would almost be impossible to do. Its great for what it is, the best of its type, an advanced military game world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raptor90 1 Posted February 10, 2013 Well i know some more Mil/Sim`s which seems to be more advanced then Arma`s Don`t look at if is from modern warfare or WW2 or the graphics looks bad, or if its MMOFPS please. Look at the damage model especially on aircraft for example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_Online Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisb 196 Posted February 10, 2013 Well i know some more Mil/Sim`s which seems to be more advanced then Arma`s Which are these, and why are they more advanced ? Interested in examples, I've played many war games over the years, always interested in new ones to look at..:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
