Libyan Air-force ordered to bomb protesters

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Ya know, it being the one thing both agree on actually makes me MORE suspicious.

[Big Mac 19]

Ya know, it being the one thing both agree on actually makes me MORE suspicious.

Why should it? If AQ came out and said it was funded by the CIA in the 80s it would be a major propaganda coup even if they took a political hit with radical Muslims. But if you don't buy that then take a look at it a more logical way, Bin Laden was worth millions, why would he need America's money? Also why would America need him when they had Afghan warlords who were doing more of the fighting? The same thing goes for Bosnia and Chechnya, why would America need to fund a small group of arabs when they can fund people who are already there if they funded them at all which is questionable?

These rebels in Libya are not going to bring a new age of freedom and enlightenment to Libya if they win. They'll turn it into another Iran, because that's what groups like AQ and their allies do. If you can't see that then you are either too ignorant or too naive to understand how the world works.

Edited March 27, 2011 by Big Mac

[Baff1 0]

celery, unless some arguable opinion, can you show me evidence about the faciousness of RT?

cuz i wouldn't elevate wikipedia and the "der spiegel" at the role of voice of god.

i can ensure you i can find other links from other network which they talk nicely of RT.

we could try to analize the news reported from RT to estlabish if they are credible or not. who care about some opinion.

telling that RT today is the long hand of the kremlin is just a conspiracy theory.

oh wait...this conspiracy theory must be valid in this case. cuz is promoted by the western media not by a lonely left side stoned blogger :bounce3::bounce3:

and saying that RT blablabla technically IT IS a conspiracy theory :bounce3::bounce3:

I watch and enjoy RT. i like that it has it's own political bias and shows the other side of the story.

But it is a propaganda channel. Just as the BBC is.

State funded and broadcasted worldwide with the intenetion to influence world opinion to it's own states agenda.

You will note that English is not Russia's native language and that the station doesn't make a profit.

Similarly the BBC broadcasts in Iranian.

Is that a conspiracy theory too?

No. These are state controlled media channels. They have an agenda.

[*LK1* 10]

Read the article and also read how the insurgents in Iraq conducted themselves and then come back and say they weren't terrorists..

some insurgents dude. some. that's the point.surely there was some of them which has used terroristic actions(bombs against civilians). and surely some of them were fighting only against the occupation forces.

Wrong again,

that's truth. you are, but plz dont help me. let me do my job by myself.

you can't separate the two. It's been proven time and again that the CIA/AQ link is a myth, it's the only thing America and AQ agree on. I'm not saying America hasn't funded and trained it's share of terrorist groups but AQ was not one of them.

dude...i had different news :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/07/24/cia_official_says_agents_have_infiltrated_al_qaeda/

http://archives.dawn.com/2004/03/07/int2.htm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO110A.html

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0903khadrbosnia#a0903khadrbosnia

i guess is clear and proved that al qaeda was used to destabilize bosnia.

Edited March 27, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

@Mac - Nothing in this world is logical. Haven't you learned that by now?

(Hell, if the Vulcans existed they would be horrified. lol)

[eble 3]

@Mac - Nothing in this world is logical. Haven't you learned that by now?

(Hell, if the Vulcans existed they would be horrified. lol)

yee shall repent when they land!

[*LK1* 10]

Similarly the BBC broadcasts in Iranian.

Is that a conspiracy theory too?

No. These are state controlled media channels. They have an agenda.

no im saying that searching a unofficial reason behind the officials is considerated a conspiracy theory by many people. and probably is even wrong, by a semantic point ov view, considering unofficial a synonymous of conspiracy theory.

telling that RT want to show even the russian point of view concerning many political situations doesn't mean necessarily to being a tool in putin's hands.

if i say start to say fox new is the armed arm of the western propaganda moved by some mason what people will say here?

but saying RT is the brainwashing prefered instrument to clean minds of the people is not so different.

both conspiracy theories by my point if view.

you get me?

Edited March 27, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[Minutemen 10]

It's been proven time and again that the CIA/AQ link is a myth,

Zbigniew Brzeziński wrotes two books where hes braging about, that he helped founding Al Ciada, i mean Al Quaida. Bin Ladin was operating for the CIA under the name Tim Osman. These are proven facts and in the open years ago. Under which rock do you life, that you don't know these things?

Al Quaida means "base". Its a Database for CIA mercenaries.

Dining with the enemy: Al Qaeda leader linked to 9/11 hijackers 'was invited to the Pentagon for lunch after attacks'

[Big Mac 19]

Zbigniew Brzeziński wrotes two books where hes braging about, that he helped founding Al Ciada, i mean Al Quaida. Bin Ladin was operating for the CIA under the name Tim Osman. These are proven facts and in the open years ago. Under which rock do you life, that you don't know these things?

Al Quaida means "base". Its a Database for CIA mercenaries.

You're an idiot you know that right? This whole Tim Osman BS is all over every conspiracy theorist website and has been dis-proven by people who actually work for a living trying to uncover the dirty laundry of the CIA.

Exhibit A

Please go find your brain and then the adults will treat you like you have some sense..

[*LK1* 10]

dude nothing against you. but is really the case to tell him idiot ?:D

come on take it easy :p:p

Edited March 28, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[spooky lynx 73]

These rebels in Libya are not going to bring a new age of freedom and enlightenment to Libya if they win. They'll turn it into another Iran, because that's what groups like AQ and their allies do. If you can't see that then you are either too ignorant or too naive to understand how the world works.

And nobody wanted Libya to become democratic country:rolleyes: Now rebels try to take control over main oil fields, terminals and ports at first. This is the only thing that is needed in Libya. I won't be surprised if everybody in US and Europe forgets about Quaddafi's sins when rebels will take full control over oil complex of Libya.

[*LK1* 10]

* probably :D

[spooky lynx 73]

Moreover, a couple of tasty contracts with some dudes like Exxon-Mobil or BP for privatization of libyan national oil company would be given Quaddafi a card-blanche to make anything he wants with those rebels. He would be like Bahraini authorities.

[Zipper5 74]

So why does *Zipper5* talk smack to me, but does not care about that communistic crap?

I "talked smack" with you because I actually have first hand experience that goes against everything you claimed in regards to Al Jazeera. I don't care about anything else you posted because I can't 100% deny or prove any of it. I'm simply trying to keep what are lies and what is the truth in perspective, at least in regards to what you said about Al Jazeera. In regards to this it is no longer my opinion, because I have acquaintances who work there and have personally dealt with them in the past. It is fact, and it goes against your opinion. That, or I've unknowingly aided British Intelligence. :p

Perhaps I came off more aggressive than I was actually feeling, and for that I apologize.

Anyway, this thread is not about the credibilty of X media source or Y person, it is about the events in Libya. Please get it back on track before it gets out of control.

@Minutemen - Zipper5 is a moderator with some... interesting opinions, and he likes to make them known. Personally I try to ignore his posts (When they are on a specific topic/debate, when he is posting as a regular member, not when he is posting as a moderator.) because they almost come across as flame bait. (I'm not saying they are/do.)

I don't know if you noticed, but this whole thread has become one giant flamebait.

Edited March 28, 2011 by Zipper5

[Spokesperson 0]

And why he socialized a huge part of the US economy, when he's a "rightist"?

And why does liberalism, what means freedom, violate basic human rights?

Maybee because the reds told you that humans are greedy, gorily and unsocial animals that need an even greedyer and beastlier overseer that keeps everyone in control? And keep still about the fact, that communism is a creation by big business? That Ford Motor Company build up the Soviet economy and the west give them money over and over again?

The main goal of a capitalist is to make profits from what he owns and for that capitalism has to survive. It is important that workers don't get too organized so that they pose a threat to the system, and if they are strong, they are approached with compromises and reforms that don't provoke a revolutionary situation. Obama did what was necessary to make the economy survive. A free market is not necessary for capitalism, just the relation between owner and worker.

Under capitalism a few people own and the rest work for them, they have no other choice than to wage-slave or starve. The political power lies among those who own, they make the decisions on a daily basis. Their bought politicians are representing their interests and are just formalizing the process. People who have no homes or jobs are free to sleep with a sky-panorama, but nothing more. That's in violation of basic human rights.

Gadaffi's government provides free education and healthcare for all despite if they were born into a rich family or not. Everyone own their homes and so on. Gadaffi is better on human rights than Obama.

Nobody wants American Abu-Greib Freedom and one dollar - one vote Guantanamodemocracy.

[Tonci87 163]

But western media like CNN is credible? These fucks that lied over and over again about incubator massacres and

?

I can't read this shit anymore. I'am just sick of these lies!

And why he socialized a huge part of the US economy, when he's a "rightist"?

And why does liberalism, what means freedom, violate basic human rights?

Maybee because the reds told you that humans are greedy, gorily and unsocial animals that need an even greedyer and beastlier overseer that keeps everyone in control? And keep still about the fact, that communism is a creation by big business? That Ford Motor Company build up the Soviet economy and the west give them money over and over again?

I still have a computer, i still have a car, i still have a home that isn't in a building made with precast concrete slabs.

And what do we have in socialistic/communistic systems? A minority of apparatschiks whos everyone working for.

So why does *Zipper5* talk smack to me, but does not care about that communistic crap?

I will not longer pour time into this.

Well minuteman, I can assure you that serbia DID HAVE concentration camps!

Regarding RT: It is biased and you know it. Yes, other News channels are biased as well, but RT is really among the very worst.

I for myself use a mix of Euronews.net, some german News channels and some other stuff like croatian news to get the information I want. Seriously guys you need a good mix if you want to know whats going on

[Beagle 684]

Well minuteman, I can assure you that serbia DID HAVE concentration camps!

Regarding RT: It is biased and you know it. Yes, other News channels are biased as well, but RT is really among the very worst.

I for myself use a mix of Euronews.net, some german News channels and some other stuff like croatian news to get the information I want. Seriously guys you need a good mix if you want to know whats going on

Odd but when I want to know what's really going on in german politics I have to watch BBC ;) or wait two weeks for the weekly magazines to catch up.

[Tonci87 163]

I didn´t talk about german politics^^ I meant international news. The german media is quite good with them.

[STALKERGB 6]

the station doesn't make a profit.

Lol no news channel makes a profit. They just have no efficient way to monetise it. Look at Sky News, it's a huge loss leader in that respect.

To be honest, it's very much down to where you are from and what you will tolerate with news. Personally I struggle to sit through any US news network broadcast, not because of the content but the pacing/presenting style/format just doesn't quite work for me. I think that generally, most people will find that with networks they are less used to.

But western media like CNN is credible?

Interestingly when I met Stephen Cole he said that the only networks where he was never told how to report news stories were Sky News and Al Jazeera. He had also work for CNN international and the BBC but didn't feel inclined to add the to his list. Not that there is a massive conspiracy going on though. Just an interesting aside.

Yes, other News channels are biased as well

This morning I met Jon Snow (Channel 4 News Presenter in the UK for those who won't know him) and I asked him about news and biased reporting. He said that you should be politically biased when reporting a story, because when you are you will want to change the things you don't agree with and the best way to do that would be to report the story as clearly and accurately as you can so people can see why it was that you didn't agree with it in the first place.

[Minutemen 10]

You're an idiot you know that right? This whole Tim Osman BS is all over every conspiracy theorist website and has been dis-proven by people who actually work for a living trying to uncover the dirty laundry of the CIA.

You stupid f*** call me an idiot? CNN discharges the CIA? When Anderson Cooper worked for the CIA?

But hey, forgett about operation mockingbird, iam the idiot and there is a old man hidding in a cave somewhere in afghanistan who threatens your freedom more than the government.

It makes me sick.

The german media is quite good with them.

Did they told you that ABB and Donald Rumsfeld sold WMD to iraq during the 80's?

Edited March 28, 2011 by Minutemen

[Beagle 684]

You stupid f*** call me an idiot? CNN discharges the CIA? When Anderson Cooper worked for the CIA?

But hey, forgett about operation mockingbird, iam the idiot and there is a old man hidding in a cave somewhere in afghanistan who threatens your freedom more than the government.

It makes me sick.

Did they told you that ABB and Donald Rumsfeld sold WMD to iraq during the 80's?

yes the involvement of germany located companies and the ties to Iraqui and Libyan WMD capabilities is well know and used in lots of politic campaigns. For heavens sake we have a strong political opposition with good journalistic connections in germany.

[Baff1 0]

And nobody wanted Libya to become democratic country:rolleyes: Now rebels try to take control over main oil fields, terminals and ports at first. This is the only thing that is needed in Libya. I won't be surprised if everybody in US and Europe forgets about Quaddafi's sins when rebels will take full control over oil complex of Libya.

I would, Italy is the country that gets all the Libyan oil.

The prime movers in the foreign strikes don't stand to benefit from who controls the Libya oil one way or another.

Exxon and BP, two companies that are primarily owned by the American and British electorate did have intrests in some of those fields. But that investment is all gone now. Nothing they do will get that back.

If anything they were more likely to keep hold of those financial intrests if they backed Ghaddaffi.

But those in power here, hate Ghadaffi and it's not their money.

Their strategic oil supplies are unaffected by this war. Only Italy's.

So I don't really consider, in this example that oil is a big factor in our involvement. More the thought of a massacre in Benghasi and a deep underlying grudge against Ghadaffi by the political establishment.

The idea of democracy does come into it. It's certainly a big patriotic ideal for most Americans and also for the political classes here. A rallying flag.

Edited March 28, 2011 by Baff1

[Big Mac 19]

You stupid f*** call me an idiot? CNN discharges the CIA? When Anderson Cooper worked for the CIA?

But hey, forgett about operation mockingbird, iam the idiot and there is a old man hidding in a cave somewhere in afghanistan who threatens your freedom more than the government.

When you keep throwing conspiracy theories out there and saying that that's proof then yeah you're an idiot... Go take your pills and put the tin foil hat back on your head..

[Daniel 0]

@Baff1,

I sincerely hope it isn't all about the oil and it's simply a case of his regime getting the arse kicking it deserves. Time will tell.

[Minutemen 10]

When you keep throwing conspiracy theories out there and saying that that's proof then yeah you're an idiot... Go take your pills and put the tin foil hat back on your head..

This isn't a fight between you and me. It's a fight between us and them. You make jokes about "tin foil hats" and think you are so clever? You tell me to take pills? Did you know that the nazis muzzled critical people by declare them crazy and put them into psychiatries? Felling good about yourself making stupid fascist jokes?

I don't waste my time with people that are to stupid to know things. These dumb down fucks aren't the enemy, the enemy are the fucks at the top. And believe it or not, we are both on the hit list. They have no problem kill a half and a million iraqi people, they also give damn about us. Thats why they lie to us.

Seriously guys, i postet links where everyone can see how these fucks lie to us. There were never iraqi soldiers that thrown babys out of there incubators and i bet there were never lybian fighter jets that shoot at unarmed protestants. But if you wanna still listen to the communist news network, go on. But than don't tell me i'am lying, because i got some facts about an way more uncomfortable issue.

Anderson Cooper worked for the agency and they fake hole news reports but hey, doesn't matter. Big Mac knows it better than we. :rolleyes: