ralphwiggum 6 Posted April 17, 2002 well, on the other hand, if you want to act intelligent, how about going to college, go into ROTC? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted April 17, 2002 i found that the greatest intellectual challange was operations. the reason is simple: you are NOT allowed to make a mistake, otherwise your men end up in bodybags. you wont find it anywhere else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Fox 0 Posted April 17, 2002 Hey great informational posts. I'll go to college first probably (ROTC?) and get used to the army first(maybe taking the Airborne and Ranger schools first). But still Special Forces are still my primary goal. I like the idea of helping other countries. I mean thats what "De Opresso Liber" is all about right. Thanks I'll keep all of this in mind. Oh and BTW some poor dumbasses are going through SF training right off the streets. Supposedly the recruiting program now allows civilians to go directly to SF school . Don't you think this will hurt or help? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted April 17, 2002 it really doesnt matter. it depends on wether they are good or not. good luck with your plans! tip: try and check how far can u make yourself go, it'll be a good indicator for whats next! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted April 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Supposedly the recruiting program now allows civilians to go directly to SF school . Don't you think this will hurt or help? <span id='postcolor'> Bad, very bad. Not only do SF soldiers have to be experts in in SUT and UW. They have to be able to teach it. Back during the Vietnam era civilians could go straight into SF program. Produced some damn good troops, but then again they were in combat, which is an environment of accelerated learning. I doubt a soldier could hack SFAS right out of infantry school. Unless he is excellent at land navigation. You can go straight to SF in the National Guard, but you will be put through a REC (readiness enhancement company) first, they will teach you all you need to know to make it through SFAS, and screen your physical fitness to see if you are ready. They won't send you unless you are ready. I was in a REC for a year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Fox 0 Posted April 17, 2002 Your really emphasizing on physical fitness (of course, thats always important) and land navigation. I know basic land navigation and can never get lost if I have map and compass. How hard is land nav anyway? Are my skills sufficient for now? Any other tricks. Will I have to navigate by the damn stars?!(THat would really really suck). I know a little about Robin Sage(not much) but you have to help the G bands fight and it is hard as hell. Can you elaborate on Robin Sage also? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted April 17, 2002 well, our officers and recon forces are demanded to be able to nav 40 km by heart without using compass and maps. day and night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted April 17, 2002 Well, land nav is easy if you know how to do it. But, it gets very difficult when you haven't slept for severl days. You need to be thoroughly proficient to make it through SFAS. There are two major courses. The STAR exam in which you must find every land nav point in 12 hours I believe. It is about a 30km course. There is some real nasty terrain in that training area. i.e. Bone's Fork Creek. With draws that are highly un negotiable. If you've never had your feeling hurt by a trrain feature, this will do it. At the end of SFAS there is a long range navigation movement called the TREK. It is a 50 mile course and you get I think 48 hours. It is solo. As are all the land nav courses at SFAS. This is modeled after a course that they do in the Austrailian SAS. Except you get as much water as you want. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, our officers and recon forces are demanded to be able to nav 40 km<span id='postcolor'> I take it this requires prior knowlede of the terrain? Naving completely off of terrain association. This would be impossble at SFAS. There isn't much terrain relief in the area and everything looks the same. You are not allowed to "handrail" roads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted April 17, 2002 well u need to memorize your route and the surroundings by heart. there is no roads so no use of that and the area can be really flat which is a pain! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 17, 2002 We had something similar, and I really sucked at it. Later we always had GPS, so navigation on land was never a problem. In the water we had a good compass, but it could still be quite hard to navigate exactly. If the waters arn't calm you can easily dirft away 50-100 m without noticing it and in the dark this can mean that you mine the wrong ship for instance. So this is generally a big problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted April 17, 2002 no GPS either, we use it as an aid, not as nav device. we dont like things that run on battaries, they tend to break on the most dire moment! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted April 17, 2002 ok, guys(11Bravo, scout, and other ones w/ experience), i get lost in that new island from OFP internals, how bad is my land nav? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 17, 2002 since you have GPS in the game.... very bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted April 17, 2002 well...i didn't use map 'm' button at all...i tired to memorize nearby valley and hills and then tried to move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted April 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok, guys(11Bravo, scout, and other ones w/ experience), i get lost in that new island from OFP internals, how bad is my land nav? <span id='postcolor'> LOL! I should make an OFP land nav course mission. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted April 17, 2002 hehe, one of our squads first maps (back before everyone knew the maps like the back of their hands) was a land nav course on Everon. good stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted April 17, 2002 You are kiddin, are you? Even if yes, the idea is not so stupid! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted April 17, 2002 ok we leave at 180 hrs sharp, please make sure uve got 4 litters of water and all the gear u need! we will drop u somewhere in a 5 km radius of st. pierre so learn the route well! and remeber u havent been there unless u bring me the codes! now go loearn your route, u havent got enough time already! MOVE!..........hehehe, brings me back some 6 years! edit: this is really a silly bug no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted April 17, 2002 I hated making my own little maps back in my military time, but they looked funny with all the handpainted trees and other stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted April 17, 2002 what? draw your own maps? what a waste of time man! i really pitty you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted April 17, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 15 2002,20:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do you have the guts? Also, if you fail Airborne of Ranger school you will most likely be sent to Korea to hang out will all the legs in the 2nd Inf. Div. (Ever seen what terrain in Korea looks like?)<span id='postcolor'> Just an FYI, I passed Airborne School easily and requested Bragg but was sent to the 2ID because of a severe shortage of my MOS there. it sucked just FYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted April 17, 2002 I really liked my time in the military. Don't know what all you are bitching about. I agree though with one thing though, cleaning the weapons and "hurry up and wait" really sucked, but I thought the highpoints (accomplishments like shooting well in BRM, for example) certainly outweighed the hard parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scout 0 Posted April 17, 2002 in our army, if ur sent as an instructor ppl might take it as an insult, everyone want to go and do some ToD's! edit: what i really liked is the time i did as a recon instructor, and as a bonus ive got the chance to yell at some colonels while im a lowly Lt. that was fun fun fun! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted April 18, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just an FYI, I passed Airborne School easily and requested Bragg but was sent to the 2ID because of a severe shortage of my MOS there. it sucked just FYI <span id='postcolor'> Bummer, what was your MOS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceFire 0 Posted April 18, 2002 Hey, USSOLDIER, I know you are Army and all, but anyone here know about infantry life and training in the USMC? Is it any different from Army or anything else mentioned here? Hey GreyFox, you don't have to join the Army to be spec ops. The Marines have one too called Force Recon. They are pretty bad ass. I do not plan on getting into a spec ops unit, but they can do the same stuff as navy SEAL's. Plus, I think the USMC is the only American service that allows their conventional units to cross train in any other combat training course in the US. That means you can go to Sears school, (for the Army Special forces) or attend BUD's school. Or attend Ranger school or whatever you want. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
