Ultimate British Forces Community pack

[bunnyman 10]

Since I am new to Arma, I have been scouting around for British add-ons and have come across all kinds of variations and complicated bits and bobs. Most of these are scattered in different places, different forums and there seems to be some confusion (not only with me) about what is available. There are also some differing ideas about what is the 'best' variant.

So to make things clearer, I thought I would ask you the community to help me make an ultimate community mod pack of British units. There are some commonly requested vehicles for instance that although do not exist yet, we do know that we have some in common with US equipment, such as Apaches, Harriers, Hercules etc and these would help to fill out a UK roster as placeholders until teams such as PUKF or RKSL produce British versions.

So I recommend we work on different categories and fill these up as we go. I will take suggestions and return to the opening post to edit and keep it updated with your recommendations.

Actual UK equipment (red indicates that we have an add-on for this)

*What have I forgotten?

Weapons

* L9A1 Browning - 9 x 19 mm Parabellum semi-automatic pistol

* L107A1 - 9 x 19 mm Parabellum semi-automatic pistol

* L85A2 Rifle - 5.56 x 45 mm (Individual Weapon)

* L17A2 UGL (Under-slung Grenade Launcher) - Attachment to L85A2

* L86A2 LSW - 5.56 x 45 mm (Light Support Weapon)

* L110A1 'Minimi' Light Machine Gun 5.56 x 45 mm belt or magazine. M249 SAW see US equipment

* L129A1 -7.62mm semi-automatic sharpshooter rifle see US equipment

* L96A1 Sniper Rifle - 7.62 x 51 mm Accuracy International bolt-action sniper rifle

* L115A3 Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum Accuracy International bolt-action sniper rifle

* L82A1 Barrett - .50 inch (12.7 mm) BMG (Browning Machine gun) anti-materiel sniper rifle see US equipment

* L7A2 GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun) - the FN MAG 7.62 x 51 mm belt-fed machine gun.

* L1A1 Heavy Machine Gun .50 inch (12.7 mm) BMG (Browning Machine gun) see US equipment

*Mk-19 Grenade Launcher see US equipment

* Numerous Anti-tank Weapons L2A1(ILAW)= known to the US as 'M136' and US AT Javelin replacing the Milan see US equipment L14A1 Carl Gustaf Recoilless Rifle 'Charlie G'

* Anti-Air system ??? Starstream? Use Stinger and Stinger pod?

* L9A1 51 mm Mortar (High Explosive, Smoke and Illuminating ammunition)

* L16A2 81 mm Mortar (High Explosive, Smoke and Illuminating ammunition) see US equipment

Infantry

DPM

Desert camo

Mixed

Elite units

Desert & woodland

Marines w/beret and bergen?

Paras w/beret and bergen?

Special Forces

Desert Patrol w/shemagh

Woodland Patrol

HALO/Black Ops/CT (Iranian Embassy type SAS)

Combat Diver (Frogman SBS)

Patrol Vehicles

Land rovers

Jackal

Viking BvS amphibious vehicle

Warrior Infantry fighting vehicle

FV107 Scimitar Armoured reconnaissance vehicle

FV432 Bulldog APC

Fixed Wing

Tornado

Harrier see US equipment

Hercules see US equipment

Eurofighter Typhoon

C-17 Globemaster III

Rotary Wing

AgustaWestland Apache see US equipment

Lynx

Merlin

Sea King

Puma

Gazelle

Chinook

Ground Vehicles (utlity)

Logistics trucks Leyland DAFs etc

see placeholders

Watercraft

-?

Aircraft Carriers

Hovercraft

Landing Craft

Submarines

Frigates

RIBs

Armour

Challenger

Artillery

Light Guns see US equipment

ACTUAL AVAILABLE ADD-ON PACKS Is there an add-on I haven't listed?

Weapons

UKF Weapons Pack by P:UKF

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=87669

Carl Gustaf Recoilless Rifle

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=94540

As the L129A1

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=91307

OR HK417 (US equipment)

Infantry

Cougars British Unit

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=85102

Elites

Schancky's Paras

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=95340

Aeneas 2020 UKSF (BI reskins) sofhats, beanies etc for Pathfinders, RM Recce?

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=91098

STALKERGB & Stemack's British Royal Marine Commandos c.2001 mixed camo, no bergens (bugged?)

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6943

UKSF

SchnapsdroSel's Combat Diver

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=80944&highlight=combat+diver

SJB's UKSF

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=92748&highlight=uksf

Aeneas 2020 UKSF (BI reskins) sofhats, beanies etc for Pathfinders, RM Recce?

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=91098

Helicopters

Apache see US equipment

Lynx

http://www.rkslstudios.info/downloads/rksl/arma2/262--british-army-lynx-ah7-&-9-pack-v2.html?-9-pack-v2=

Puma

http://www.rkslstudios.info/downloads/rksl/arma2/264-rksl_puma_hc1_2-0-241209.html

Chinook

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=78695

Ground Vehicles

Landrover WMIK, with HMG, GPMG and GMG

Landrover 110 GS

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=88258

4x4 and the 6x6 Landrover (bugged destroyed textures?)

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8051

Challenger Tank

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=87744

Water vehicles

Submarines

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=90471

US placeholders/or actual game equipment we can already use

HK417

M249 SAW

L82A1 Barrett

Mk-19 Grenade Launcher

M2 Browning HMG

M136 AT launcher

Javelin launcher

M252 81mm Mortar

MLRS

Harrier

Super Hercules

Apache attack helicopter

Little Bird helicopter (as Gazelle?)

M119A1 light artillery

Russian utility trucks (logistic vehicles)

Edited February 16, 2010 by Bunnyman

[Simon C 0]

The M249 is a good placeholder for the FN Minimi, seeing as the M249 is based off of it.

Same with the M240 and GPMG, seeing as they are both basically the FN MAG.

[bunnyman 10]

Cheers mate I added that.

Although the M240 and GPMG are all 7.62 rather than the M249 and Minimi which are 5.56mm which puts it in the Light Machine Gun category rather than the 7.62 being designated a GPMG.

But that is great, we now have the LSW and the Minimi in that category- pretty much all the weapon slots filled.

[Simon C 0]

Yep, that's what I meant, '240 and GPMG are both basically the same Medium/General Purpose Machine Gun. :)

[Daniel 0]

In addition the ILAW, Javelin and the WAH-64 Apache are all catered for (within the realms of ArmA2 anyway).

It's also fairly easy to give the Harriers a UK loadout. Although RAF/RN textures, airburst munitions and flechettes would be cool.

[bushlurker 45]

It's gonna be a while - and with current tools and time I have available we're talking probably Xmas or so, but I'm currently working on the MOD's "Low Flying Area 14" and "Tactical Training Area 14" as an "Island"... basically LFA14 and TTA14 are the whole of the sort of NW 2/3 of the Scottish Highlands... It started as a flyboys-only map, but I got sort of carried away and now it's gonna be 20x20km of full-on ground detail, so the squaddies can get cold an wet while the flyboys prang the occasional Lynx ;) on some authentic UK training grounds...

Like I say - this is still sooo WIP I don't even have a thread about it yet, it's taking forever, but theres a slideshow of assorted WIP and reference pics HERE.

The terrain is heavily scaled - 200x200km into 20x20km, so villages etc will be generic at best, but it should still provide a reasonably recognisable and authentic "theme parked" version of an actual MOD training area...

Give me another 6 months an I reckon I'll have an adequate Beta level release available... maybe even less if I can speed up the road-laying...

B

Edited February 5, 2010 by Bushlurker

[bunnyman 10]

Cheers lads, and just added the HK417 as the placeholder for the new service 'DMR' L129A1

[Aeneas2020 10]

I'm confused are you making all this stuff from scratch or are you intending to compile addons made by other people? If so (and i am sure you have already done this) you should probably seek their permission 1st. Good luck with it mate.

I should also add that i am always more than willing to texture/retexture units, vehicles or whatever to make it british. Gotta keep the British end up after all.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Aeneas2020

[bushlurker 45]

Good point!

A "reccommended" or "required" list of addons for a server is handy and great... a "pack" containing all the required addons as a single download is also probably OK... best ask first to be sure... Repackaging the addons into a single "modfolder"-style pack DOES really require permission to be sought from the original authors first... due credit and their original readme included is usually all people ask for... Actually editing the addons, on the other hand, is a major no-no without prior permission...

In the absence of enforcable copyright in this work-sharing community we substitute an exaggerated politeness and respect for each others work... it generally works quite well :D, but occasionally has to be gently explained to newcomers... :)

B

Edited February 5, 2010 by Bushlurker

[bunnyman 10]

Indeed lads, and thank you for pointing that out. But as you can see so far all I am suggesting is a community project to package what is considered an ultimate set of British units. So of course ALL the modders will need to be contacted once the 'decisions' of what add-ons are to be in.

[katipo66 94]

Tally ho! .P

[Defunkt 431]

It's high-time somebody dragged together all the disparate UK threads. Hopefully you'll get all the permissions you need and it might even act as catalyst to get some of the rough edges smoothed on some items, ideally by the original author or perhaps by another with their blessing.

[jeza 5415]

Very good idea. Will make it easier for british based units in coops and also in joint ops with other units.

[TomatoArden 0]

The G3 SNiper looks nothing like the L129A1. This is it below.

http://www.acoyrangers.com/pr/images/l129a1proto.jpg

[bunnyman 10]

True but it works like it apparently, but I could be wrong

Edit: I know the L129A1 is also like (and possibly more like) the FN FAL/old SLR but its weight and proportions are more like the G3

Edited February 6, 2010 by Bunnyman

[Redders 15]

Edit: I know the L129A1 is also like (and possibly more like) the FN FAL/old SLR but its weight and proportions are more like the G3

Err, it's not like the SLR. Aesthetically or internally. One is a modified FN FAL battle rifle, one is a marksman rifle not based around the FN FAL. It's more akin to something like the M110 SASS, as they're both based on the AR10 design.

Your previous idea of using the HK417 as an interim place-holder was a better idea, given the 417 was one of the rifles in the running to fill the role that the LM&T (the L129) eventually won the competition for and is of a similar design, being based on the same lineage of weapon systems.

Edited February 6, 2010 by Redders

[bunnyman 10]

Ok cheers, but...:o for the record, I haven't changed my suggestion for the L129A1 to be used as the HK417

[loosebruce 10]

I would happily contribute my materials towards this.

[bunnyman 10]

I was thinking that this list is missing and logistics transports or repair vehicles.

I have read somewhere that the UK bought a large number of US MTVRs, but I haven't had that confirmed from a second source... anyone heard about this? The MTVR is quite close to our Leyland DAFs anyway.

Anyone reckon we can use the Russian utility truck as a repair vehicle? I think we tend to use modulars of other vehicle types, tracked and so on. Don't have much info or knowledge about this, any ex-REME lads around?

[rksl-rock 1300]

I was thinking that this list is missing and logistics transports or repair vehicles.

I have read somewhere that the UK bought a large number of US MTVRs, but I haven't had that confirmed from a second source... anyone heard about this? The MTVR is quite close to our Leyland DAFs anyway.

Anyone reckon we can use the Russian utility truck as a repair vehicle? I think we tend to use modulars of other vehicle types, tracked and so on. Don't have much info or knowledge about this, any ex-REME lads around?

MTVRs look nothing like the DAF!? Its s totally different design. The russian Kamaz are closer to it.

Im sure Da12thMonkey will be able to confirm this but i doubt we bought the MTVR after lashing out on the 7277 MAN trucks we just bought. We did buy some OSHKOSH transporters (HET) but i dont think we've commited to any other type of support vehicle.

Anyway all the current inventory is here: Vehicles and Equipment Brochure 2009

[raikitsune 10]

Leyland daf is the most commonly used still within the UK. Having said that for second line units (And the RAF regiment) use these strange little trucks that i've long forgotten the name of (Not the Pinz, they look like the old all terrain gas man trucks.) Ahaha after a breif forray into my memmory they may be called Reynolds Boughton trucks. Man trucks are used but are highly sought after and will most often be deployed to theatre or kept nice and safe from ever going to theatre by being on a constant training roll.

[rksl-rock 1300]

Leyland daf is the most commonly used still within the UK. Having said that for second line units (And the RAF regiment) use these strange little trucks that i've long forgotten the name of (Not the Pinz, they look like the old all terrain gas man trucks.) Ahaha after a breif forray into my memmory they may be called Reynolds Boughton trucks. Man trucks are used but are highly sought after and will most often be deployed to theatre or kept nice and safe from ever going to theatre by being on a constant training roll.

I know quite a few RBs were sold off. But the last I heard of them they were being drawn down, with the best of the rest going to the RLC and TA. I know the RAF Reg had some they used to be used as crew vehicles for the GBAD lads (try fitting everyone in a 130 carrier and all the kit, never going to happen) but i thought they were all handed over to the Army when the Rapiers went?

Edited February 10, 2010 by RKSL-Rock

[da12thMonkey 1943]

The Oshkosh MTVR type things we've bought are tractor units for the Close Support Tanker. We don't have anything like MTVRs in ArmA 2. They were also looking at them to be the tractor unit for the Light Equipment Transporter, but I'm not sure on the status of that procurement anymore.

MAN SV series trucks are becoming the primary GS logistics vehicle in within British forces. Leyland DAFs and Bedford MJs are still around though and some will remain for a long time; particularly those converted to specialist roles, and those used by the TA.

DROPS is still around, but with many being replaced on ops by MAN EPLS as a UOR interim replacement.

RB44 was a disaster and seems to be finally on its way out. IIRC the MoD are flogging another load of them

Edited February 10, 2010 by da12thMonkey

[raikitsune 10]

I know quite a few RBs were sold off. But the last I heard of them they were being drawn down, with the best of the rest going to the RLC and TA. I know the RAF Reg had some they used to be used as crew vehicles for the GBAD lads (try fitting everyone in a 130 carrier and all the kit, never going to happen) but i thought they were all handed over to the Army when the Rapiers went?

Heh GBAD Has been gone a while now and this base is still full of them. Local TA units have then aswell. As i said the majority of trucks used here are DAFs (Bar the army unit on camp who have some lovely kit but then again they're special) but the RBs are still chugging around even if they're pretty much useless.

RAF Regiment Using yesterdays equipment, Today!

[rksl-rock 1300]

RAF Regiment Using yesterdays equipment, Today!

LMAO its always been like that. It probably always will be.

Do the brakes actually work on the RB44s now? Or do you still need 100m to break from 20mph in the wet?