FP : DR - News & Discussion

[eble 3]

Apacha-Cobra, mate don't keep saying your done here, else when you do return you'll have to use a new name.

Don't get so worked up about Arma/OFP-DR they are different games and for the areas they are aimed at both will do well, you unfortunately just like the whole of the CM forums are just misguided into believing these two game title are competing for the same people/gamers.

The CM forums are already awash with exactly who CM want, thats the BF2/COD guys, good luck lots of money to be had from them.

@space lol good work mate I've lost count how times you've posted that review.

forget those review read the one from the guy thats actually played it, he was asked about 10 times is it better than Arma2.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Eble

[bangtail 0]

I sense that some of you are upset that OFP : DR has turned out so well, particularly after the disappointment of ArmA2. Some of you need to swallow your pride and look at both games (without considering mods/future releases) and have a long hard think about which is the best overall package. Considering that everyone has played ArmA2, some of the criticisms of DR are pretty ironic, but the people making these criticisms cant cant see that.

A big factor in realism is the immersion factor, which is very hard to judge from screenshots and youtube clips. Many people on this forum will be trying the game later in the week, so I guess that we will get a better idea of how it is when people post up their opinions, but if they're positive, then no doubt they will be dismissed as somehow not being true ArmA fans. I think we're going to be hearing alot of this tbh :

Review: Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising Review - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

Again, how do you know? Have you played it? No, so best to pipe down.

Pre release reviews are for sh*t I'm afraid so best to stop posting them.

LoL @ "true" Arma fans.

Just because you like DR doesn't make you any less of an Arma fan.

In your case of course, you aren't an Arma fan. You're a dullard with nothing better to do and you're on the wrong forum.

Allow me to point you in the right direction :

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=112

Bye :D

Eth

[Apache-Cobra 0]

I don't wish to be banned, nor do I imply that I'm gone for good, I was simply trying to leave this discussion, yet it keeps sucking me back in

"Yet magically if you put a little effort into an addon you can indeed create a fully penetrable vehicle using the penetration system thats built into the engine." -DM

Addon= mod, and there's only one penetration mod available that I know of, which is extremely unstable and buggy, and is no longer an addon, but a script.

I found that screen shot, I mentioned before, by the way.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6830/sabot.png

I'd like to see anything similar to that in OFP/ArmA, to be completely honest.

I recall many months ago the subject of it coming out of the barrel slightly high as shown in the picture was addressed by the community manager as already being fixed.

NOW, I will take my leave from this topic.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Apache-Cobra

[Zipper5 74]

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Uh, I think after watching this new video we can have a right to say that it doesn't look all that "good", actually. You go straight from the intro to the game - i.e. no information on the assault, objectives, characters even. The AI shoot frantically at him and he doesn't get hit. There's missing audio files and inappropriate radio protocol that even BIS got right in Harvest Red. The guy even blows up the charge when his friends are too close to it, but it barely even hurts one of his team mates, and doesn't effect the other 3.

Yeah, it's not the greatest first impression.

Oh, and given the timing of those hints, I think I'm going to be bashing myself on the head when those pop up and I die as a result of them during a firefight. If they include those in the demo, that is.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Zipper5

[bangtail 0]

I don't wish to be banned, nor do I imply that I'm gone for good, I was simply trying to leave this discussion, yet it keeps sucking me back in

"Yet magically if you put a little effort into an addon you can indeed create a fully penetrable vehicle using the penetration system thats built into the engine." -DM

Addon= mod, and there's only one penetration mod available that I know of, which is extremely unstable and buggy, and is no longer an addon, but a script.

I found that screen shot, I mentioned before, by the way.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6830/sabot.png

I recall many months ago the subject of it coming out of the barrel slightly high as shown in the picture was addressed by the community manager as already being fixed.

NOW, I will take my leave from this topic.

Would be nice if you actually did leave as opposed to continuously saying you're leaving and then showing up 10 minutes later to post more BS.

Thanks in advance,

:D

[Apache-Cobra 0]

You go straight from the intro to the game - i.e. no information on the assault, objectives, characters even.

There is a detailed briefing screen before you begin each mission.

Would be nice if you actually did leave as opposed to continuously saying you're leaving and then showing up 10 minutes later to post more BS.

Thanks in advance,

:D

Feel free to ignore my posts. You're making yourself look pretty immature, by the way.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Apache-Cobra

[bangtail 0]

There is a detailed briefing screen before you begin each mission.

See what I mean. He just can't help himself.

5 minutes and he's back.

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There is a detailed briefing screen before you begin each mission.

Feel free to ignore my posts. You're making yourself look pretty immature, by the way.

Like I care what you think. You've made yourself look like a misinformed shill.

Just stick to your word and get lost.

Fecking troll.

Eth

PS : I couldn't, in good conscience, ignore the fact that you are misleading people. I will always make sure that your fabrications are quickly refuted. You are, of course, free to ignore me if you like ;)

Edited October 4, 2009 by BangTail

[dm 9]

"Yet magically if you put a little effort into an addon you can indeed create a fully penetrable vehicle using the penetration system thats built into the engine." -DM

Well yes, but my point is that the system its self is actually present in the engine.

I found that screen shot, I mentioned before, by the way.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6830/sabot.png

And I can show you exactly the same thing (all be it with the penetrator coming from the right position) from OFP, ArmA1, ArmA2 and both the VBS'es.

NOW, I will take my leave from this topic.

Somehow, I doubt that...

Edit: Oh, look, I was right :D

[froggyluv 2130]

I sense that some of you are upset that OFP : DR has turned out so well, particularly after the disappointment of ArmA2. Some of you need to swallow your pride and look at both games (without considering mods/future releases) and have a long hard think about which is the best overall package. Considering that everyone has played ArmA2, some of the criticisms of DR are pretty ironic, but the people making these criticisms cant cant see that.

A big factor in realism is the immersion, which is very hard to judge from screenshots and youtube clips. Many people on this forum will be trying the game later in the week, so I guess that we will get a better idea of how it is when people post up their opinions, but if they're positive, then no doubt they will be dismissed as somehow not being true ArmA fans. I think we're going to be hearing alot of this tbh :

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Well for someone so excited for it's release you seem to be spending an awful lot of time here :D

If Arma2 OA release was right around the corner, i doubt I'd be spending any time at all on the CM forums.

As far as DR being fun, I suspect it probably will be, albeit, for different reasons. A fun shooter with some tactical elements is what I forsee, and if done right, I will probably buy it. Probably play it for a week or maybe 2, because to me, a video game is the monetary equivelent of a movie which is 2 hours and generally suck. Lets face it, the way things look now there will be no persitent battlefield and no way to pull off a CTI, which is the closest thing to virtual war, so it's longevity is surely in question.

Arma2/OA, I'll be playing for years.

[Zipper5 74]

There is a detailed briefing screen before you begin each mission.

Well, unless the briefing is before the intro, there isn't one, according to that video. It doesn't exactly look like it's been edited.

[Ulysses 10]

Oh why can't we all get along ? :)

[dm 9]

Human nature.

If there were only 2 people left on the planet, they'd find a reason to argue with eachother...

[eble 3]

honestly can't blame him for being here have you seen the state the CM forum is in right now?

this is a list of the current 'must see' threads on the forum

The cat is out of the bag - CyranoDeBergerac

Steam?

deecheezy 04-10-2009 05:25 PM

The Marines Are BAD, Cant we Have SAS? ( 1 2 3)

lightpro 04-10-2009 05:23 PM

Poll: What day did you receive the retail copy of the game?

UnknownName 04-10-2009 05:20 PM

One thing this game doesn't have..?

Enkeixpress 04-10-2009 05:19 PM

What Will You Mostly Do on This game ?

lightpro 04-10-2009 05:17 PM

PC - OFP2 on XP versus Windows 7

hannibal636 04-10-2009 05:17 PM

You've seen quite a few DR videos

flashxpoint 04-10-2009 05:16 PM

Server Browsers + Dedicated servers (PC Only) S.A.D.S. ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)

Free2game 04-10-2009 05:09 PM <------ Probably the most important thread on the whole forum left unanswered by the Dev team mods etc.

My operation flash point 2 game exploded !!!!!

lightpro 04-10-2009 05:08 PM

dk3dknight's Qore Advert Find.

Sir. Polaris 04-10-2009 05:01 PM

aussie realse date

dat111 04-10-2009 04:56 PM

"Get to Cover Soldier!!" ..

Enkeixpress 04-10-2009 04:54 PM

OFP DR - First 10mins ( 1 2)

Shaz73 04-10-2009 04:53 PM

What happened to the Bradley?

burner12 04-10-2009 04:53 PM

Multiplayer Map: High Point

ZPaul2Fresh8 04-10-2009 04:39 PM

Gameplay compilation I found with Blackhawk Down theme song

ironcreed 04-10-2009 04:38 PM

Confirmation of Digital Purchase Availability???

McKellin 04-10-2009 04:37 PM

Sniping and heat seeking!

MadManUk 04-10-2009 04:32 PM

Easter eggs?

Genaga 04-10-2009 04:17 PM

[Deadfast 43]

Blah...words

Review: Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising Review - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

Did you know?

Did you know that space's posts-without-the-review-link to posts-with-the-review-link ratio is 10:3?

Did you know that the average time for space to repost the review link is 8 hours?

In other words: We have already seen the bloody link!

Edited October 4, 2009 by Deadfast

[bangtail 0]

Oh why can't we all get along ? :)

If I showed up on the CM forums and did what some of these guys do here, I imagine I would suffer a far less restrained response.

When you flat out lie about things, you're going to garner a negative response from the BIS community.

If DR is so great, why are these fools here trying to argue their fabrications? Why aren't they off celebrating DR's greatness on the CM forums?

Eth

Edited October 4, 2009 by BangTail

[eble 3]

I tried putting a few arma2 lies straight on the CM fourms got so many infractions so quick it was unreal.

[dm 9]

I tried putting a few arma2 lies straight on the CM fourms got so many infractions so quick it was unreal.

And yet we're the "douchebag fanboys"

Wheres the sense...

[bangtail 0]

And yet we're the "douchebag fanboys"

Wheres the sense...

I know right. I would never sign up/post on a forum for a game I didn't care for.

It's logic from some bizarro alternate reality where sense is stupid and stupid is sense.

Go figure :confused:

Edited October 4, 2009 by BangTail

[Herbal Influence 10]

Sorry to say that but space and these other CM/DR-fanbois in my opinion are doing something like that here:

They simply inform a milsim interested forum of potential buyers about DR in an intensive way with this fact-ignoring repeated posts.

They want this thread therefore to stay on top of the forum until release day.

Thats quite effective marketing what they are doing - just like the spamming for buying viagra ... one in a thousand may one day be interested ... that's all what the fuzz is about.

Someone who can write, can also watch videos where i.e. covering of AA2-AIs is proved (NOT of some guys who we don't even know whether they are AIs - I am sure they are not in the DR videos).

It's so eays to hire students for this job. Something we all know BI is much too reluctant to ever do - what we love them for.

I feel like taking a lesson in aggressive modern marketing.

[Deadfast 43]

And yet we're the "douchebag fanboys"

Wheres the sense...

Well, I thought the meaning of the word "fanboy" (word I dislike BTW) is:

-Someone who is such a fan of something that he can't see the obvious truth.

What I saw recently is more of:

-Whoever doesn't agree with what I say.

[space 10]

forget those review read the one from the guy thats actually played it, he was asked about 10 times is it better than Arma2.

Ok fine dismiss all the reviewers opinions who have pretty much consistently given it 80% - 90% . The guy you refer to was asked twice about comparing it to ArmA2.

Q. Would you recommend it to someone who has always played the BIS series, and spends most hours in game: patrolling a windy dark forest path at 1AM both in game and IRL. Securing photographs on an enemies position and reporting that on a forum before coming back two nights later (ie persistent mission, never ended) with about 10 more people to raid it for a VIP?

...and is looking for a similar experience with this game.

A. Yes. Yes I can.

Q.How is it compared to ArmA2

A.Flashpoint loses some of the cool features of Arma II but has FAR superior animations and environments. Ambience noises and such, which all help to make the game FEEL better, even if you cant tell your A.I. to perform a backflip-axe-throwing-sommersault-ammo-gathering-vehicle-entering-manouver.

Q. Marks out of 10?

A.

Gameplay- 9

Sound- 10

Graphics- 9

I tried putting a few arma2 lies straight on the CM fourms got so many infractions so quick it was unreal.

Do you think its any different here?

And sorry if you guys dont like me posting links to reviews. I realise that the only "defence" about them is "reviews don't means crap", but what are you going to do about the players reviews later in the week? No doubt you'll pick the 10% of bad reviews as the truth and dismiss the other 90% as COD players?

I think we all know that some of you will do that, but you wont be able to prevent fans of the genre from seeing the truth and going out to buy the game.

Edited October 4, 2009 by space

[jblackrupert 14]

Lets ask the experts on which is more realistic...

Australian Defence Force

Canadian Air Force

NATO members http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

New Zealand Defence Force

Royal Netherlands Army, Maneuver Instruction and Training Center/Ground Maneuver School at Amersfoort (OTCMAN)

Singapore Armed Forces

United Kingdom Ministry of Defence

United States Army

United States Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School

United States Marine Corps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VBS2

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I tried putting a few arma2 lies straight on the CM fourms got so many infractions so quick it was unreal.

I got banned for a week for correcting posts about Arma II.

Viiiper of course.

Edited October 4, 2009 by jblackrupert

[Deadfast 43]

And sorry if you guys dont like me posting links to reviews.

Link. As in one link. Singular.

I took the time to come through all your posts and the only review you ever posted a link to is the most positive one. Incidentally it also appears to be written by someone who is either 12 years old or has the habit of downing a bottle of vodka for breakfast.

[whisper 0]

DR already provides an excellent base assuming modding is possible. With mods it could easily destroy ArmA in most aspects.

Some great features I can't wait to play around with...

-FLIR

-Ballistics- Bullets are REAL objects, if you hit print screen fast enough you can see them

-Penetration- No hitpoints like ArmA, every area of every vehicle has an armor rating which a weapon must surpass in order to penetrate it

-As an addition to the above point, body armor is also simulated on troops and I think that helmets might also be accounted for

-Apparently functional AI that takes cover and is affected by and uses suppressive fire

-Real vehicle suspension and handling unlike ArmA where you are driving a slab of concrete on rollerskates, dynamic helicopter rotor-lift effects from moving the collective up and down

-AI morale system- retreating, hiding and crying, etc.

-Gore system- limb loss, dynamic blood textures on troops, other various effects such as part of a head getting blown off, your chest getting gutted, etc.

-Optimized engine, runs well on average PCs, no random lockups or memory leaks

-According to a bunch of reviews and opinions from others who have played the game, the sound system is amazing and immersive.

-LUA scripting and well documented mission editor, so mission makers don't need to learn on their own and document things themselves

-Just overall more professional, CM is a professional game developer with lots of resources and money whereas BI is more like a group of people.

I could probably list a few more things if I thought more and dug around a bit, but I'll just stop here.

Sure, there are a bunch of limitations on the game, but in my opinion the pros outweigh the cons big time, and I can't wait to be making the switch from ArmA to DR.

1) why people hope for 1 game to destroy the other is beyond me (and beyond stupidity)

2) LUA scripting doesn't mean squat if the correct commands are not made available. LUA is just a syntax, nothing more

3) Ballistic. People should learn how ArmA ballistic works. There's nothing in DR in this matter that is not already in ArmA

4) From the review I read and video I see, DR AI is nothing superior to ArmA one, I expect them to be on par (FYI, AI in A2 retreat, takes cover, use suppressive fire, etc...)

That leaves us with FLIR, vehicle armor handling, and stability (even though this is yet to be proven through real numbers of gamers trying it)

On the con side, MP is simply non-existent (4 players coop, 2x2km limit in PvP, Thether, no dedicated server, 63 units limit) in possibilities, and modding tools are yet to be confirmed. When we see what it means when CM remains silent on a subject, I'm afraid, very afraid.

But contrary to quote post, I don't hope for DR destruction, that would be, again, pretty silly

[froggyluv 2130]

Ok fine dismiss all the reviewers opinions who have pretty much consistently given it 80% - 90% . The guy you refer to was asked twice about comparing it to ArmA2.

.

The same guy also said

In terms of playing, and this is SOLELY my opinion. I can play this game on my own, until I finish the solo campaign. Then I think I'd lose interest