Best armory

[Cobra Pilot 10]

Cobra pilot, if the USA had actually tried and convicted the people in guantanamo of chopping people's heads off for not being muslims, then nobody would have an issue with it. But they didn't, and justice is still fashionable in some parts of the world believe it or not. :)

We let a guy go and come to find out he was the SECOND IN COMMAND of the Yemeni branch of Al Qaeda. Just goes to show that we shouldn't detain them, we should shoot them on site.

[r3volution 0]

Cobra pilot, your sig just answered most of my potential responses... ;)

Seriously though for every 1000 people you shoot on 'site' (sic), you might kill 5 terrorists, and 45 people who hated america and didn't act on it, but you'll create a whole other cycle of violence where seeing that kind of brutality, another whole generation of the dead's relatives become susceptible to the preaching of extremism. And who can blame them, look what America did when 2000 odd innocent people were killed. Always lead by example, and remember that no matter the century, the farmer will reap what they have sown. I recommend reading a book called 'Blowback' by a US academic called Chalmers Johnson, it should provide you some interesting food for thought.

Back OT though, does anyone else feel that the colt M4 series with holo sights and aimpoints are REALLY inaccurate compared to their equivalents in Arma1? I can't seem to get very good shot placement at 200m, when its easy as hell with the ak107 and the m16a4 series. Before anyone suggests FADE, my copy is well legit (or Steam sold me a dud).

[galzohar 31]

Back OT though, does anyone else feel that the colt M4 series with holo sights and aimpoints are REALLY inaccurate compared to their equivalents in Arma1? I can't seem to get very good shot placement at 200m, when its easy as hell with the ak107 and the m16a4 series. Before anyone suggests FADE, my copy is well legit (or Steam sold me a dud).

I wouldn't call FADE on a miss at 200m... You may want to look at reducing your FOV in your user.arma2profile found in "my documets\arma2\" folder. With default settings it's pretty hard to see stuff at 200-300m which results in them being hard to hit.

I wouldn't compare RPG-7 to the M136, it's more the "equivalent" of the SMAW, except the SMAW is quite a bit better (and heavier, but games doesn't give a rat's !@# about weight).

[=Spetsnaz= 0]

i really find the MK 28 for example very accurate when prone, should'nt there be some sort of recoil?

[vasmkd 12]

I like to see more russian aircraft/heli's and weapons and some more older types of aircraft/heli's/weapons for CDF and insurgents

The US has plenty already.

I voted US has best weapons, vehicles only because of the range of aircraft, helicopters. Wish i could say the russians had the better (don't get me wrong they are awesome) but we need more to even things out. A russian counterpart for every US type

[hozer 10]

The Armory is irrelevant, it's how you use it.

Wow how insightful of you, thank you for that revaltion. I guess you can call the United States Government and inform them that they can cut down on their 250+ billion $ defense budget, because "technology is irrelevant". Tell that to the soldiers in Iraq who use UAV's to scout out terrain for snipers and ambushes....

[chris64 0]

Wow the forums are seeming surprisingly confrontational today :) I went for the CDF because I have

a soft spot for made up armies, project racs is probably my most used unit mod.

Edit: wow I'm really in the minority

[H.A.L 10]

Mmm...not a single vote for insurgents. lol :)

[maturin 12]

Uhh ? Why do you say that ? :pet6:

Oh, come on.

[galzohar 31]

Mmm...not a single vote for insurgents. lol :)

It's not because of their weapons, it's because they're simply not cool. Especially those damn uniform ;)

[Apocal 10]

I briefly considered jumping in this thread, voting insurgents, then vigorously defending my choice just to piss everyone off with illogical BS. I voted USMC instead since that seems to have done the trick on a few already.

You guys need to seriously lighten up.

[STALKERGB 6]

i think the british army is the best equi.... oh wait... not in the game? Damn.

Went for USMC only cause of the humvee, oh and i like the insurgents! hiding in the woods only leaving to blow stuff up is cool :)

[Fiya 10]

Definitely went for Russian Bear on this one. Personally, I like their equipment alot more... VSS Vintorez, SVD Dragunov, KSVK, AK-107 w/ Kobra or PSO, Bizon, PKP, Saiga, AKS-74U, RPK, RPG-7, 18, Metis, etc. (And you can't go wrong with Smersh gear!)

Aswell as the T-90, BMP-3, BTR-90, Tunguska, Vodnick, BM-21 GRAD, Kamov 52, Mi-8, Mi-24's, SU-25, Su-34, and whatnot...

Although arguing about it is a pretty moot point. (Not to mention flame-bait...) I just prefer these, aswell as the optics.

Now I just wish I could get a AKM aswell. That 7.62 is nice to have sometimes.

[Apocal 10]

Now I just wish I could get a AKM aswell. That 7.62 is nice to have sometimes.

There is an AKM in-game.

[Fiya 10]

There is an AKM in-game.

I know, aswell as a S version.

I meant in the Russian faction's troops. Or in the multiplayer games on the Russian side. Often times it is not.

[Apocal 10]

I know, aswell as a S version.

I meant in the Russian faction's troops. Or in the multiplayer games on the Russian side. Often times it is not.

Ah ok. I was like "wtf" for a second there, because the first enemy weapon you run into in the game is an AKM...

[jgdj19 10]

yes ,we were wrong for detaining people that want to cut our heads off because we arent muslim! Armerica sucks, im sorry.:rolleyes: (Did I just take maobama's job?)

I know this is a nice non-political forum, and its one of the politest ones I have been on, but this is just too tempting:

I think it is more the fact that the US made up a new kind of category of people - non comatants- so they could avoid international law, specifically the geneva convention concerning rules used during warfare. By classing them as non combatents they are not POW (they can avoid the rights POW have), and by not having them on USA soil they are not under USA law (Don't have the rights civilians have in USA). They are in no mans land.

Maybe you should read up on why it is generally considered that international law was ignored in this instance...

[HappyBrit 10]

Russia, their weapons arsenal is perfect

[Binkowski 26]

Mother Russia has the best in my opinion.

[Lhowon 10]

I think it's testament to how well BI balanced the sides this time around that Russia and USMC are so close in the poll.

Here's a quick comparison of what I think the equivalent vehicles of USMC and Russia are, and which is best - just because it's fun :p:

Tanks

T-90/72 vs M1A1/A2 - USMC wins

Light Armour

BMP-3 vs LAV-25 - Russia wins

BTR-90 vs LAV-25 or AAV - Russia wins

Vodnik - no real comparison, but Russia gets points for the BPPU which can take out a LAV-25 very quickly.

Cars

UAZ vs HMMWV - USMC wins

UAZ AGS-30 vs HMMWV Mk. 19 - USMC wins

Seeing as Russia doesn't even have a UAZ with MG, I guess the Vodniks are supposed to fill the role of light armed transport, so:

Vodniks vs HMMWV M2/M240/TOW - USMC wins. The Vodniks are big targets, while the Humvees are nicely versatile. The BPPU is nice but seems better as fire support than a transport, especially in urban areas.

Anti-Air

Tunguska vs M1097 Avenger - Russia wins

Artillery

BM-21 Grad vs M270 MLRS - USMC wins

Helicopters

Ka-52 vs AH-1Z - USMC wins, but it's debatable - I give the Cobra the edge for its rotatable cannon

Mi-8MTV-3 vs MH-60S/UH-1Y - USMC wins. The Mi-8 gets points for having heaps of rockets, but isn't versatile like the Huey and doesn't have the miniguns.

MV-22 - no real comparison, USMC gets points for having a versatile transport chopper with large capacity

Mi-24P/V - no real comparison, Russia gets big points for having these very effective choppers that bridge the gap between transport and attack helicopters

Planes

Su-25 vs A-10 - USMC wins

AV8B - No real comparison, USMC gets points for having a plane that has both unguided and laser guided bombs for potentially devastating air support

Su-34 vs F35B - Russia wins. Clearly the F35 is the better fighter, but it's just so limited in a ground-attack role. And even in an air-superiority role it only has 2 AA missiles compared to the Su-34's 4. Its GAU is too hard to use effectively, and its LGBs need someone lasing targets (or can be dropped unguided, but with limited accuracy). The Su-34 has 6 AT missiles and 40 S-8s... it's just so much more useful than the F35, despite the F35 clearly being the better plane.

So in my opinion:

Tanks - USMC wins

Light Armour - Russia wins

Cars/Light Transport - USMC wins

Ant-Air - Russia wins

Artillery - USMC wins

Helicopters - Draw

Planes - Draw

The Mi-24s almost push Russia to winning Helicopters, but they lack too much in transport and the Cobra gives USMC enough of an edge to make it a draw.

The A-10 almost gives USMC a win in planes, but with only 2 Mavericks compared to both the SU-34 and SU-25 having more AT missiles (albeit somewhat inferior ones) I'd call it a draw.

So in conclusion as far as vehicles go, both USMC and Russia are very well matched. Their vehicles call for differences in tactics that can make for interesting gameplay - for example Russia can rely on Light armour for effective supprt of infantry, while USMC can counter with either Helicopter or Aircraft CAS.

[Lauri90 10]

USMC wins. Russia sux.

[JackandBlood 10]

Very insightful there Lauri. But I would really like a side by side comparison of the T-90 vs the latest Abrams tank. T-90 is a pretty recent development in this post-cold war era, wonder how anyone can know of its capabilities. Would be greatful if someone could dig up some good info/resources.