nVidia 8800 LOD/Texture bug

[Sniperdoc 0]

I can't believe this... this game, so long in the making... the 8800 series out for almost 7 months now... and all these INEXCUSABLE graphical issues.

I swear... when I started playing this game, I thought I clicked on the demo executable. That is not acceptable by any means. I cannot understand why they even bothered to release the game in this condition!

I don't even want to hear about some mumbo-jumbo about the fact that there is a relatively small usergroup of 8800's out there... This is a brand-spanking new game and NO OTHER games are having these issues. Supreme Commander, STALKER, C&C3, etc... none of them have issues... except this game.

This game is a frickin' joke. Unfinished, incomplete, back to the bargain bin! No wonder they only charged $39 for it on Direct2Download. None of these other games sold for that little upon release. This game was totally a premature push to the public and they lowered the price because of it.

Can't wait for Operation Flashpoint 2. Hopefully it'll be better than this half-finished script.

[Sceaduwe 0]

Stop your winning, I too have a 8800 card - I too have some graphical issues - I don't come on the forums and just start being a mouthy idiot.  I am sure the developers are working hard on it and hopefully they will release a patch to correct the issue, if not this one then in another one.

You might want to try lowering your in game settings (yes, you shouldn't have to... yada yada..) which should help and try the -maxmem=512 solution some people have talked about.

The most important point to remember is that this bug has been logged on the Arma bug reporting system (http://bugs.armed-assault.net/main_page.php) and you can read about it and vote for it to be fixed there.

[Naterstein 0]

I am pretty upset as well, but from the looks of it, BIS will fix the issue. I have faith in them for now.

I could play the game fine for the first week, a few days after that I encountered the texture issue and some artifacting, now I am getting CTDs.

I play all sorts of more graphically demanding games with no issues. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

[-SWAF-Lunatic 0]

I too suffer from the same issues, and have to agree that ArmA was rushed out the door way too soon.

We have all paid good money to be beta testers, but i read a review that said it builds on OPFP was good had potential but is too buggy. So my bad!

[Sniperdoc 0]

You know... come to think of it. The problem is there are too many people that are accepting crappy software to start with. Whatever happened to the times when you didn't have to worry about games being buggy.

I'm getting sick and tired of people telling my hardware is too brand new, or the game is too brand new... Gimme a fricking break! It's about time that the consumers get what they paid for!!! We pay for games that work, we pay for hardware that's supposed to work, but it doesn't over 50% of the time.

I've been in the I.T. field for over 8 years now, and quite frankly, this half-a$$ed workmanship on hardware AND software developers is really getting old.

Oh, and by the way... here are my specs:

Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 at 2.93GHz - stock

Corsair 8500C5D - 2 Gigs at 1066MHz - stock

eVGA 680i Mobo with latest chipset drivers

eVGA 8800GTX with latest drivers

2x Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k HDD's - mirrored (system/game drive - XP Pro)

2x Seagate Barracuda 120GB 7.2k HDD's - mirrored (system/game drive - Vista 32-bit Business)

1x Seagate Barracuda 400GB 7.2k HDD (Data/Porn)

Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum

Lite-On DVD-RAM SH-16A7S

I shouldn't have to deal with buying a new game that doesn't perform as it should and I'm sick and tired of other people accepting CRAP as the norm. "Just deal with it" or "They're working on it" or "That's to be expected" doesn't cut it anymore. This is bullcrap and everyone should see it as that.

There are 2 major video card vendors out there... nVidia and ATI. And I tell you what, given that the 8800GTX has been out for more than 7 months, there's NO EXCUSE that they couldn't have fixed the 8800 series problems. If there's an issue, hold the game's release. If you're missing a deadline because other better games are going to come out before yours does, too bad. That's your fault for setting a crappy deadline or not getting your logistics straight for a sound and solid release of the game.

PPPPPP - Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

[baddo 0]

Be sure to let Nvidia also know your opinion.

I agree that in general the quality of software products can be awful at times. Unfortunately it can be said about ArmA's initial release too. In my opinion it starts to get ridiculous when a game needs hundreds of megabytes of patching after initial release... One explanation to problems in this industry is that large software programs are very, very complex beasts and thus it is no wonder the developers often fail. A bug-free large software program is in my opinion impossible to achieve. I believe the developers do what they can with the time and money they have available. In my opinion even increasing the number of developers is not an automatic solution as it can in itself create even more problems than it solves. Human beings have a hard time managing such complex beasts as there is required so abstract level of thinking that it goes over the top for most of us and also for the developers it seems.

Maybe the beta testing model should be revised. Give the product to public beta testing for a large group of people way before deadline. At least then those people know that they have a beta version.

I do not accept the bad quality present in many software products but unfortunately that's what we get. Some time ago I said consoles start to sound quite good after reading about all the hardware etc. problems here in these forums... one stable platform to develop for, sounds much better for a game developer than the hell-ish personal computer scene where you can have probably millions of combinations of components that the software developers have practically no chance to verify how it works with their products.

[Sniperdoc 0]

Be sure to let Nvidia also know your opinion.

Oh... don't you worry about that... They already know!

Don't know if you've heard about the 680i fiasco that's been going around... but check the eVGA or ASUS forums for the 680i mobo. I haven't had any problems with my build, but I built my dad a similar system and it had problems upon installation and I took twice the precautions with his, than I did with mine. Anyways... getting off topic.

If public betas it takes to get a larger hardware base, then so be it. But, I have to say, they should at least recruit individuals that know how to record issues to beta test. Just getting a bunch of kids that have no clue on how to recreate situations or log information won't do Bohemia any good...

It comes down to deadlines... I understand that. But then there is the ability to put off the deadline to a later date.

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Quote[/b] ]I shouldn't have to deal with buying a new game that doesn't perform as it should and I'm sick and tired of other people accepting CRAP as the norm. "Just deal with it" or "They're working on it" or "That's to be expected" doesn't cut it anymore. This is bullcrap and everyone should see it as that.

ok show me another game where you can make all things you can make in ArmA then i'll tell you ok dude you were right but i havent seen yet ... so for the moment play your bought game and wait for a patch and stop complaining like my 6 years old sister (btw i dont know if youre a man) ...

stalker, supreme commander c&c3 are better than Arma ? go play with them n00b ...

[M.I.K.E. 3]

c&c3 is good bro

[mattxr 9]

Id just like to comment that the 1.08 patch coming on monday, has NO lod bugs what so ever with the 8800. i have not seen one yet when i sometimes got them with 1.07 there all gone in 1.08

[sailindawg 0]

Id just like to comment that the 1.08 patch coming on monday, has NO lod bugs what so ever with the 8800. i have not seen one yet when i sometimes got them with 1.07 there all gone in 1.08

Sounds very good. I may have to upgrade sometime over this summer..... ....I'm a hardware junkie!

[Osi 0]

I've largely stopped playing Arma until 1.08 comes out.

Have an 8800 GTS 320 Meg, non stop problems with Arma.

Due to instability with 1.07 my clan has reverted to 1.05, which means I get to hear about what they're doing on TS.

Pretty sad when I only recently 'upgraded' to the 8800 from an ATI x800XL 256 meg. Sure the ATI was slow as hell, but it at least worked

I really hope QA can wrap up 1.08 kinda soonish.

I really enjoy playing with my friends and look forward to the day when I can.

Be that as it may, I'm a software test lead, I understand QA needs time, please dont rush them ;-)

[rcspikee 0]

I've got graphical errors with my 8800 as well (obvious), no point stressing

[Spindry69 0]

Id just like to comment that the 1.08 patch coming on monday, has NO lod bugs what so ever with the 8800. i have not seen one yet when i sometimes got them with 1.07 there all gone in 1.08  

Wow, sounds promising, I hope your right.

[largepiece 0]

Id just like to comment that the 1.08 patch coming on monday, has NO lod bugs what so ever with the 8800. i have not seen one yet when i sometimes got them with 1.07 there all gone in 1.08

So has anyone still got problems?

My copy of ArmA is still pretty much unplayable with the 1.08 patch. If I turn post processing effects on, it even BSOD's then restarts my PC!

Meh, It's a real bummer to pay money for an unplayable game. The texture problems are all still just as bad for me under 1.08 and it gets really bad after 5-10 minutes. I still get crashes to desktop with post processing on low and mega loads of crazy vertical artifacts coming off some vehicles. Not to mention crazy shadows, slow drawing textures and super simplified geometric models.

[sickboy 13]

Try starting the game with added to the parameters: -maxmem=512

Matt Rochelle even reported 256 needed on some systems.

Also Texture Detail and Shader on Low or Very Low seem to be problematic, in my system setting those 2 on normal or up all probs disappear.

[Warpy 0]

I can't believe ppl are having to tweak a game this much just to play it! It's mind numbing to know the developers of this game have the damn right cheek to release Arma when it quiet clearly lacks quality control... ignorance will bite you in the end... i never played OPF but from the vibe around here that too was nailed with bugs.... if you cant get it right with the second timer around with your games then perhaps making games isn't what you should be doing... But that's just common sense.

[largepiece 0]

Thanks sickboy, I've already tried both those solutions but no joy.

The crazy thing is, I had similar problems with my old PC.

An athlon xp322+ with a 6800GT.

Haha, here's the really unfunny part though, the problems are even worse on my 2.4 gig core duo with an 8800GTS!

I loved OpFlash, why doesn't ArmA like me? Meh...

[sickboy 13]

Try putting the texture+shader detail to normal or higher...

I also have all kinds of weird problems when those are set to low or lower.

[redberon2003 0]

I can't believe this... this game, so long in the making... the 8800 series out for almost 7 months now... and all these INEXCUSABLE graphical issues.

I swear... when I started playing this game, I thought I clicked on the demo executable. That is not acceptable by any means. I cannot understand why they even bothered to release the game in this condition!

I don't even want to hear about some mumbo-jumbo about the fact that there is a relatively small usergroup of 8800's out there... This is a brand-spanking new game and NO OTHER games are having these issues. Supreme Commander, STALKER, C&C3, etc... none of them have issues... except this game.

This game is a frickin' joke. Unfinished, incomplete, back to the bargain bin! No wonder they only charged $39 for it on Direct2Download. None of these other games sold for that little upon release. This game was totally a premature push to the public and they lowered the price because of it.

Can't wait for Operation Flashpoint 2. Hopefully it'll be better than this half-finished script.

yeah, i had problems at first. not anymore however

[largepiece 0]

Thanks sickboy. I've tried that too!

I had everything on high with my new system seeing as it pretty much kicks ass (well at least in every other game).

Ah well, maybe the next patch aye?

I've emailed 505 games support and the PR person at BI. I doubt I'll get a reply though.

I'd be interested to hear from any 8800gts owners who don't have problems. I've seen posts other places indicating not everyone with 8800's have problems. I wonder what the systems that are having problems have in common...

[redberon2003 0]

well i have a GTX. and i haven't had video problems in a while, at max settings.

[largepiece 0]

well i have a GTX. and i haven't had video problems in a while, at max settings.

You b'stard! Lol.

What CPU?

[redberon2003 0]

Full specs

-Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @3.2GHz

-2GB Corsair, DDR2-800 running at 712?(think so) MHz, origanally rated for 5-5-5-12, down to 4-4-4-12

-eVGA 680i SLI motherboard (the one made on release, there are some newer revisions though for better FSB clocks, mine runs fine though for what i need)

-eVGA 8800GTX 768MB, no overclock. but the fan was put up to 90% cycle duty

-2x10000 RPM raptor hard drives in RAID 0

-good air cooling

-PSU 750 watt PC power and cooling Silencer

what it's running

Windows XP

Nvidia 158.22 drivers

Armed Assault 1.08

Firefox =P

[largepiece 0]

Hmmmmm strange how similar our systems are and you're not getting any problems.

Althoughhhhhhhhhh, another big thanks to sickboy!!!

Last night I realised after confidently pointing out that I'd already tried both the fixes you mentioned, I hadn't actually tried maxmem at 256. Wicked! It's all working, no worries! Cheers mate. I ended up setting it to 320 (seeing as my 8800 is a 320mb version) which runs fine too.

EDIT: This fix was only temporary. ArmA has started BSODing and crashing to desktop with the usual graphics artifacts again! Doh! Thanks anyway sickboy, you got me hopeful there for a bit...