ARMA Morealism, adding Ultra realism...

[Col. Faulkner 0]

yes the U.N. troops could rape women in south sara  [...]

Except that there are no women in the whole of Sahrani, and

no animals either, so that just leaves...

[dirtylarrygb 0]

SOBR[1st-I-R] @ April 06 2007,18:05)]Although I must confess that this is some how a neat idea, I'm not sure if I could / would want to live with that.

This would complicate things a lot... and would probably after a while step on everyone's nerves and soon you have another thread pleading BIS to remove it again.

But on the other hand I remember that something "funny" was announced for Game 2. If for example one of your mates tells you about his Girlfriend and how she cheated on him, the decision wether you listen to him or now will affect his feeling and thus his combat performance in battles.

But again.... ArmA players play the game mostely in MP, honestely not many very or really expereinced users play ArmA in SP or campaign. Maybe every now and then again.

So all this civilian protection system or whatever would have no great effect.

One other point is that the community of ArmA/OFP is pretty much adult, this means that we dont run around and frag and rape enemies like in other games (namely CS, BF2) but love tactics and most professional ArmA gamers tend to save civilians.

my 2 cents

Its a mod or a mode for the game not part of arma but an "add on" either a full MOD or scripts added to missions.

All missions will feature MOREAL in front then say COOP/HOLD etc.

So if you want OP:F BF2 style play don't choose a MOREAL mission.

The events that trigger in moreal, only have a 50% chance of triggering and even then 80% of the time their is a nuetral outcome. Only the player involed sees that headline. Nuetral effects only effect the player. occasionaly 1 or 2's a game you might see a big negative or positive effect that games gameplay for 5 mins.

Moreal is simulating world politics, the world media, public opnion, the anti war movement all the background using plain maths but it should feel quite realistic.

occasional media mocking headline will appear in nuetral mode. To start the ball rolling I need to make about 300 headlines.

Of course in the future complex Ai scripts for civilians in cities could be added. Mini games involved with dealing with civvies etc.

Im capable of even adding fake TV news, would be fun to have FUX NEWS comments on the war or CNT cable news.... Together with all the fake headline they should add some fun game play.

I did laugh at how GRAW2 tried this little bit and totally messed it up. Some of the hammy stuff in C and C 3 was as good as the game.

As for saving civilians, every building you blow up, bridge factory etc COULD have civies in. Most of the time it won't matter a great deal but occasionally it could blow up in your face. How many crawling injured units have you finished off?

If enemy units AI or human have the option of surrender and you shoot them who's gunna know?

just crashing a chopper could lead to your air power being grounded for 5 mins because the dead pilots family sue the makers of the choppers engines and all aircraft are grounded for safty checks.

Adding these elements makes the replay value of each coop mission double as it won't ever be the same.

[max power 21]

yes the U.N. troops could rape women in south sara [...]

Except that there are no women in the whole of Sahrani, and

no animals either, so that just leaves...

Dragonflies are animals... I guess... Same with seaguls! Those things pop up with alarming frequency!

[d3dsh33p 0]

yes the U.N. troops could rape women in south sara [...]

Except that there are no women in the whole of Sahrani, and

no animals either, so that just leaves...

ohhh sounds kinky

[dirtylarrygb 0]

yes the U.N. troops could rape women in south sara [...]

Except that there are no women in the whole of Sahrani, and

no animals either, so that just leaves...

ohhh sounds kinky

HEADLINE: OPF POW's claim SLA made them perform perverse acts with Seaguls.

[d3dsh33p 0]

yes the U.N. troops could rape women in south sara [...]

Except that there are no women in the whole of Sahrani, and

no animals either, so that just leaves...

ohhh sounds kinky

HEADLINE: OPF POW's claim SLA made them perform perverse acts with Seaguls.

pics or it didn't happen

[HulkingUnicorn 0]

yes the U.N. troops could rape women in south sara  [...]

Except that there are no women in the whole of Sahrani, and

no animals either, so that just leaves...

You're forgetting the reporter and her identical... what's the term for 49 identical sisters?

We should have an order of nuns to fill all those churches around

Oh, and dirtylarrygb: This concept sounds very interesting, and it is something I would like to play with or include in my missions - topic tracked

[Benoist 0]

Damn! I totaly agree with you Larry

I've try to make a script that, if you have been killing civilians or team mates: you lose all your weapons and you apear as captive, so you have to wait 3 minutes and then find a weapon, and soon (i don't know how to put the same weapon again). But i have a lot of problems so i give up.

Something i would LOVE: civilians running all over the place and in your sight (of course this when a battle start) while they secream and shake their arms in the air :P (yes, it's imposible but it would be beatiful)

If you need any help i'm over here, i don't know much but at least is something.

BTW, have you allready finish a Beta o something?

And this is going to be only for MP? Lets say that i have a low speed.

[dirtylarrygb 0]

Damn! I totaly agree with you Larry

I've try to make a script that, if you have been killing civilians or team mates: you lose all your weapons and you apear as captive, so you have to wait 3 minutes and then find a weapon, and soon (i don't know how to put the same weapon again). But i have a lot of problems so i give up.

Something i would LOVE: civilians running all over the place and in your sight (of course this when a battle start) while they secream and shake their arms in the air :P (yes, it's imposible but it would be beatiful)

If you need any help i'm over here, i don't know much but at least is something.

BTW, have you allready finish a Beta o something?

And this is going to be only for MP? Lets say that i have a low speed.

I opened the discussion here as I used to work in the Game Industry and know the best games get work out on paper before you write a line of code!

Also Im an artist not a programmer, so I'm reading up on scripting in ARMA and will ask for help on the mod part of the forums.

Much of what I have suggested looks as if it can be script based.

I'm going to fine tune the maths for scores here with suggestions from others then create all the headlines and newsfeeds.

Once that is done then I start the scripting and ask for help.

Adding the points system to the score and making events work if first.

next stage would be to add reporters and tv stations to the game. And actual civvies and their side missions and work on troop surrenders and healing the wounded and POWS.

Right now Pahse one of moreal is adding scipts so if you blow up some buildings or tk you might see a jpeg headline and have a game effect.

I plan on making all the artwork available in PSD format so people can convert it to aother langauges.

What's intresting is other games developers will nick this idea but we the ARMA mod community get to say we did this first.

[Yoma 0]

The thing about the news reports that i don't like is that you consider only a single media.

In real life all sides of a conflict have their own propaganda machine, if you look at the funds for so called independent media you'll find there is no such thing really.

In short: it would be nice to have 2 media reports one of opposing sides and one of your own side.

You would then be rewarded/penaltied on the report of your side.

That would show a lot more of the real morality of war (being near unexistant).

[HamishUK 0]

One game may change all that. BIOSHOCK.

Moral dilemma whether you kill the children to get the stuff they drink or help them?

[BroK3n 0]

We should have an order of nuns to fill all those churches around

yes! we need nuns!

[ArmaVidz 0]

I think adding ambient life and females to ArmA would be great. Women bring out chivalry in men.

Maybe make it so that if you're teammates are present when/if there is any wrong doing to civies like woman/cows etc. after the "cease fire" (as with attacking teammates) they turn on you as though you were firing on your own teammates.

Also, if ambient life and women are added, the community on the whole has no real basis for being stupid about it, a good portion of us are older

Cheers

ArmAVidz

[dirtylarrygb 0]

One game may change all that. BIOSHOCK.

Moral dilemma whether you kill the children to get the stuff they drink or help them?

Yep intesrting to see what the Uk media will make of that game.

I expect headlines linking us in the SUN to the guy from the virginia shootings even if we load that game.

[dirtylarrygb 0]

The thing about the news reports that i don't like is that you consider only a single media.

In real life all sides of a conflict have their own propaganda machine, if you look at the funds for so called independent media you'll find there is no such thing really.

In short: it would be nice to have 2 media reports one of opposing sides and one of your own side.

You would then be rewarded/penaltied on the report of your side.

That would show a lot more of the real morality of war (being near unexistant).

Very good point, for the big headline events, dual covergage should be shown.

A good example of Moreal is the evolution mission. Byt the time you rank up to use the FFAR or cobra as you can rearm to can generally fly round wasting cities and rack up points.

At the moment there is nothing to stop you doing this and its a legit tatic to get many points.