Where are the girls?

[Dr. Mojo- PhD 0]

Hit a nerve, did I?

Still, I have yet to see you explain just how I'm full of hot air. How I have mental problems. How I have no morals. How children in video games is immoral or will increase violence towards children. How you are not therefore also like misandric killers because you want an all-male simulator population.

I've helpfully and dutifully provided evidence that would contradict you since I don't explore topics without evidence, and yet I've utterly failed to see you do the same. I'd be more than willing to explore your position, yet you seem to be nothing but bluster and rage and thin skin towards most things in this topic.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]Hit a nerve, did I?

Yeah sure.

Don´t you think you´re taking yourself a bit too important ?

Quote[/b] ]Still, I have yet to see you explain just how I'm full of hot air.

Just check your posts. They have no factual content other than blabla here, blabla there.

Quote[/b] ]How I have mental problems.

You have fun raping women and killing children in a game ?

Quote[/b] ]How children in video games is immoral or will increase violence towards children.

A. They simply serve no purpose.

B. "increase violence towards children" is your phantasy, I never said so. Get your facts straight and do never try to put things into my mouth again.

You´re the man of facts ? Doesn´t look like.

Quote[/b] ]How you are not therefore also like misandric killers because you want an all-male simulator population.

I already have told you that I opted for women ingame, so again you´re pulling things from your PhD Ass. Read the thread.

You´re the man of facts ? Doesn´t look like.

Quote[/b] ]I've helpfully and dutifully provided evidence that would contradict you since I don't explore topics without evidence, and yet I've utterly failed to see you do the same.

Your holiness has not posted any evidence and I certainly feel no obligation to learn martian because that´s the only language you seem to speak here.

I still utterly fail to see facts in your posts others than the ones you made up, put in my mouth or pulled from your PhD ass.

You´re the man of facts ? Doesn´t look like.

In the end it´s up to me if I want to talk to a person. As you can read I already answered and explained my opinion to people who actually were interested and I have really explained my points. You neglect to see it ? Is that my problem ?

Could I care less ?

[DieAngel 0]

looks like , wtih all this hot talk i will just have to wait patiently for the proper mod tools to come out ...

And hope i can do an average job myself -_-

Who know? it might be popular after all heh...

[max power 21]

Well, I didn't really want to do this, but here it is. It's off topic.

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Quote[/b] ]So what do childrens add to a combat game ?

Realism ? If you had asked for cluster bombs, extended military features ok, but you seriously ask for something that is morally very dubious.

Why are children morally dubious?

This is a misrepresentation of what he says. It's reducing what he says to literal nonsense. It is your job as a critical thinker to make sense out of what someone is saying and engage them on that level. It may commit the strawman fallacy.

Quote[/b] ]By the way, four years ago I saved a child from being kidnapped on December 26th. Would you like to see the police reports? I'm sure I could dig them up, then we could see who's more morally responsible towards children.

Because you have been put in a position where you had the opportunity to save a child, and he may have not, does not mean that you are morally superior. It is totally irrelevent. It is ignoratio elenchi in that it proposes to say that, since he has not had the rare opportunity to save a child, his moral responisibility is inferior.

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(Boy this is getting repetitive with you).

This, while it may not a fallacy, is a completely irrelevent statement. If I had to take a guess, its rhetorical aim would be to belittle him, making it a possible ad hominem.

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(At least you came up with a new logical fallacy to use).

Clear ad hominem, completely irrelevent.

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On the one hand, Japan, which has the highest number of rape fantasy fiction in the developed world, also has the lowest incidence of actual rape in the developed world.

So, I'd say that right from the start you beating your head against a wall here. I have evidence that even if what you say is true and people will NECESSARILY make child-killing missions with children in the game, it might mitigate ACTUAL child shootings in real life. Where's your evidence to the contrary?

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I think it is also a false generalization to assume that the Japanese culture is analogous to other cultures. It is also a false analogy to equate rape with murder, as if all violent crimes are done for the same reasons or have the same causes.

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Fallout and Fallout 2 have children in them that you can in fact kill in violent and extremely graphic ways.

Oh I forgot, it has to be a wargame, and it has to NOT be any wargame that is "crappy". You should also add the corillary that it can't be Fallout or Fallout 2.

In fact, why don't you just ask people to name to you any violent game that DOES have children in it, except tell people they can't name any of the ones that actually do.

This passage has a lot of hidden premises, and it is just used as a cludgel to beat him down with. The character of the actual post is changing a great deal, and it is leading me to believe that, best case scenario, you wished to imply that his conclusions were false. Worst case scenario, you're just writing in order to ridicule him. Not much can be gleaned from it but, "Hey stupid, why don't you just act more stupid and ridiculous, because that's how stupid you are". It's not necessary for you to preempt him on what he might say to disprove you by making a ridiculous characature of him. In that way, it is an adhominem and a strawman.

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Perhaps in your mind .40S&W and .45ACP and 357SIG variants of Glock pistols are immoral. The difference between a Canadian rail and a Picatinny rail are immoral. Etc.

I'm not sure why you included this. Does it pertain to the fact that some of those are not included in comprehensive mods? His argument was that certain things were never included in mods for moral considerations. While his might be a proposition with little proof, yours is a faulty analogy.

It is also very strongly represented in this text that you feel he is wrong and it's also quite apparent that you were using his logical fallacies to support this claim in an indirect way. I'm still fairly certain that you are using argumentum ad logicam.

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

looks like , wtih all this hot talk i will just have to wait patiently for the proper mod tools to come out ...

And hope i can do an average job myself -_-

Who know? it might be popular after all heh...

If it's any consolation, I would download female soldier models and make textures for them representing proper soldiers.

[Dr. Mojo- PhD 0]

Quote[/b] ]Yeah sure.

Don´t you think you´re taking yourself a bit too important ?

Nope, just some pretty basic observation skills. When somebody goes berserk because you point out they have poor reading comprehension, it's usually because you've hit a nerve.

Quote[/b] ]Just check your posts. They have no factual content other than blabla here, blabla there.

So the long list of logical fallacies you committed is not factual, despite the references demonstrating that this is so?

So the item of Japanese society's high inclusion of a negative fantasy correlating to their low incidence of the same act being perpetuated in reality is not factual?

So when I pointed out the contradiction of boolean logic in your assertions, that was not factual?

Or when you say "no factual content other than..." do you mean there is factual content but you choose to ignore it because you want it to not exist, similar to somebody saying "Except for the fact that the sky is blue, it is not actually blue."

Quote[/b] ]You have fun raping women and killing children in a game ?

I do? That's news to me. Do you have evidence of this? I wasn't aware that I enjoyed raping women and killing children in a game.

Also I'm not sure how that proves a mental problem in any way.

Quote[/b] ]A. They simply serve no purpose.

What purpose do they not serve? You never defined this. You said they serve no purpose, but you never explained how. How is it different from adult male civilians, how are they purposeful but children are not?

Quote[/b] ]B. "increase violence towards children" is your phantasy, I never said so.

This would be true if and only if you weren't lying. And I quote: "Why don´t you just give it a try, dial 911 and tell them you want to shoot up some kids or see them in action running from shootings ?"

This statement categorically proves that you are a LIAR! of the worst sort. If fantasy does not increase the likelihood of being perpetuated in reality, why would it be necessary to dial 911 and tell them I want to shoot up some kids or see them in action running from shootings, unless fantasy and reality were linked?

Quote[/b] ]Get your facts straight and do never try to put things into my mouth again.

As I have demonstrably proven, my facts are straight.

By the way, what would you consider examples of putting words in people's mouths? Something like this, maybe?

Quote[/b] ]You have fun raping women and killing children in a game ?

Totally illogical, a liar, and a hypocrite.

Quote[/b] ]You´re the man of facts ? Doesn´t look like.

I've already proven who the fallacious hypocritical liar is in this thread. Well actually, you did that.

Quote[/b] ]I already have told you that I opted for women ingame, so again you´re pulling things from your PhD Ass. Read the thread.

Actually, given your "rape menu action", that's pretty much again an inconsistent position. Why is SHOOTING women okay, then?

And, if we amend my previous post, how does shooting ADULTS make you somehow morally superior to shooting CHILDREN?

Quote[/b] ]You´re the man of facts ? Doesn´t look like.

I've already proven who the fallacious hypocritical liar is in this thread. Well actually, you did that.

Quote[/b] ]Your holiness has not posted any evidence

Except that I have.

Quote[/b] ]and I certainly feel no obligation to learn martian because that´s the only language you seem to speak here.

Yeah, well that or English.

Quote[/b] ]I still utterly fail to see facts in your posts others than the ones you made up, put in my mouth or pulled from your PhD ass.

Of course, I've demonstrably proven that these are, again, complete lies. I've demonstrated that it was you who put words in my mouth. I've demonstrated that it was you who lied, etc.

Quote[/b] ]You´re the man of facts ? Doesn´t look like.

I've already proven who the fallacious hypocritical liar is in this thread. Well actually, you did that.

Quote[/b] ]In the end it´s up to me if I want to talk to a person. As you can read I already answered and explained my opinion to people who actually were interested and I have really explained my points.

Except that your position seems contradictory and ill-thought out, as well as illogical.

Quote[/b] ]You neglect to see it ? Is that my problem ?

Given that the defects in your argument originate from you, yes, that is your problem.

Quote[/b] ]Could I care less ?

Yes, otherwise you wouldn't keep responding.

[Balschoiw 0]

Ok this is definately the last time I will answer and it´s only because you´re simply making things up.

Next time I will report you to the mods as you only seem to be after flaming.

Here we go :

Quote[/b] ]Nope, just some pretty basic observation skills. When somebody goes berserk because you point out they have poor reading comprehension, it's usually because you've hit a nerve.

You obviously have , as you repeadetly put things into my mouth.

Those are:

Quote[/b] ]...or will increase violence towards children.

I never said that.

You say that:

Quote[/b] ]Why don´t you just give it a try, dial 911 and tell them you want to shoot up some kids or see them in action running from shootings ?

this fits your claim of me saying that violence towards children will rise ?

Are you still going clear ?!?

Quote[/b] ]This statement categorically proves that you are a LIAR! of the worst sort.

This is above the limit for me. You make things up, then try to find a hasty excuse for your claim and then call me a liar ?

Sorry but this is flaming, nothing else.

Quote[/b] ]So the item of Japanese society's high inclusion of a negative fantasy correlating to their low incidence of the same act being perpetuated in reality is not factual?

What has this to do with the issue at ALL ?

Quote[/b] ]I do? That's news to me. Do you have evidence of this?

Yes, enjoy yourself:

Quote[/b] ]What´s next ? Ading a rape action function because it´s reality of war ?

Yup.

Quote[/b] ]Totally illogical, a liar, and a hypocrite.

Another reason to report.

Quote[/b] ]I've already proven who the fallacious hypocritical liar is in this thread. Well actually, you did that.

Another reason to report.

Quote[/b] ]Actually, given your "rape menu action", that's pretty much again an inconsistent position. Why is SHOOTING women okay, then?

You are winding with no reason and with no direction. Point is you said that I didn´t want women in Arma and that is simply untrue as I posted that I want women in Arma. Quit it.

Quote[/b] ]Of course, I've demonstrably proven that these are, again, complete lies. I've demonstrated that it was you who put words in my mouth. I've demonstrated that it was you who lied, etc.

Another reason to report.

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Yes, otherwise you wouldn't keep responding.

I certainly will not allow you to call me a liar. That is beyond the limit as you have absulutely no right, nor a legitimate reason nor the facts to back it up.

Therefore I will report you.

[Dr. Mojo- PhD 0]

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Quote[/b] ]

Quote[/b] ]So what do childrens add to a combat game ?

Realism ? If you had asked for cluster bombs, extended military features ok, but you seriously ask for something that is morally very dubious.

Why are children morally dubious?

This is a misrepresentation of what he says. It's reducing what he says to literal nonsense. It is your job as a critical thinker to make sense out of what someone is saying and engage them on that level. It may commit the strawman fallacy.

No, it's not a misrepresentation of what he says. "Children in a combat sim are morally dubious." -- "Why are children in a combat sim morally dubious?" is not a misrepresentation.

What you're talking about is the principal of charity. Which, if you had applied, you would realise that in following up to a quote "So what do childrens add to a combat game ?" when I asked "why are children morally dubious?" I was asking, not literally why are children being persons aged between 0 and 13, say, of a morally dubious nature, but why are children in a combat sim morally dubious?

Quote[/b] ]Because you have been put in a position where you had the opportunity to save a child, and he may have not, does not mean that you are morally superior. It is totally irrelevent. It is ignoratio elenchi in that it proposes to say that, since he has not had the rare opportunity to save a child, his moral responisibility is inferior.

No. His claim was that moral irresponsibility to children is generated from an in-game fantasy. I offered to demonstrate that I was not morally irresponsible towards children.

Quote[/b] ]This, while it may not a fallacy, is a completely irrelevent statement. If I had to take a guess, its rhetorical aim would be to belittle him, making it a possible ad hominem.

Ad hominems are contained in the premise of an argument. They cannot and are not contained in the conclusion, and they definitely aren't contained extraneous to the entire argument.

Ad Hominem argument:

Hitler was an evil man. <-- ad hominem fallacy

Hitler liked dogs.

Therefore it is wrong to like dogs.

Not ad hominem:

Genocide and forced racial purity are evil.

Hitler espoused these.

Therefore Hitler was an evil man. <-- same statement as before, but not ad hominem.

<i>Definitely</i> not ad hominem.

Genocide and forced racial purity are evil.

Hitler espoused these.

Therefore Hitler was an evil man.

By the way, you are a stupid asshole. <-- personal attack but not contained in the argument in the premise or conclusion, thus not even close to ad hominem.

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Quote[/b] ](At least you came up with a new logical fallacy to use).

Clear ad hominem, completely irrelevent.

See above.

Quote[/b] ]

Quote[/b] ]On the one hand, Japan, which has the highest number of rape fantasy fiction in the developed world, also has the lowest incidence of actual rape in the developed world.

So, I'd say that right from the start you beating your head against a wall here. I have evidence that even if what you say is true and people will NECESSARILY make child-killing missions with children in the game, it might mitigate ACTUAL child shootings in real life. Where's your evidence to the contrary?

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I think it is also a false generalization to assume that the Japanese culture is analogous to other cultures. It is also a false analogy to equate rape with murder, as if all violent crimes are done for the same reasons or have the same causes.

Not quite. It's an illustration of evidence. It doesn't necessarily follow that rape is reduced by rape fantasy (actually psychologists speculate that it does, in fact, provide an outlet for the fantasy reducing its likelihood in reality, but this is extraneous.)

The argument goes as such.

Him: "x causes y."

Me: "I have evidence that might support x mitigates y. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?"

Again, I'm not making an argument, I'm examining the premise. Is the premise sound? As it stands, no, it is not sound. Until we examine exactly what you said and sort out, for example, IS Japan culturally different enough that if there is an impact from fantasy reduction in crime rates, IS rape committed for the same reasons as murder, etc., we cannot go forward.

You should know that critical thinking dictates that if the premises are true, and the argument is logical, the conclusion MUST be true. And you should also know that the first step is to examine the premises and strengthen them or discard them if necessary. Since I've already said he may very well be right, I don't understand how you can get the idea that this is equivocation since I have admittedly not reached any conclusion.

Quote[/b] ]This passage has a lot of hidden premises, and it is just used as a cludgel to beat him down with. The character of the actual post is changing a great deal, and it is leading me to believe that, best case scenario, you wished to imply that his conclusions were false.

Actually, not quite. This is getting repetitive, isn't it? I wished to demonstrate that he made a ridiculous demand. He asked for games with children in them, and then in the next clause explicitly stated that we could not list certain ones. I can't help, in this case, be reminded of Ann Coulter asking somebody for "EVEN ONE" name of somebody's life being ruined by Joseph McCarthy. When she was provided with TWO names, she complained that she was provided with "ONLY TWO".

In other words, what he's asking is that we provide him with something that's already been provided, but that he will discard it out of hand. It's completely ridiculous. I felt reductio ad absurdum best demonstrated this.

Quote[/b] ]Worst case scenario, you're just writing in order to ridicule him. Not much can be gleaned from it but, "Hey stupid, why don't you just act more stupid and ridiculous, because that's how stupid you are". It's not necessary for you to preempt him on what he might say to disprove you by making a ridiculous characature of him. In that way, it is an adhominem and a strawman.

Again, no. It was an example of reductio ad absurdum. Continuing to provide absurd examples of his premise. "Why not just ask for x and y and z with your demands" is a prefect example of reductio ad absurdum -- take the same logic and reduce it until it is, of course, absurd.

Quote[/b] ]Perhaps in your mind .40S&W and .45ACP and 357SIG variants of Glock pistols are immoral. The difference between a Canadian rail and a Picatinny rail are immoral. Etc.

Quote[/b] ]I'm not sure why you included this. Does it pertain to the fact that some of those are not included in comprehensive mods? His argument was that certain things were never included in mods for moral considerations. While his might be a proposition with little proof, yours is a faulty analogy.

It is AGAIN reductio ad absurdum. It isn't an analogy at all, so it cannot be a false analogy.

Of course, his argument was nothing relating to things being included in mods for moral considerations. His argument was this, and I quote: "I don´t even know a single comprehensive mod for OFP that introduced children. Don´t you think that at least this is an indication that some of your thinking is a bit off ? Those are mods done by gamers for gamers. Makes you think, no ?"

No moral considerations related to not including them. NONE. Simply the idea that it makes you think that your thinking is a bit off because nobody included them. It presumes that they didn't include them for moral considerations. Which is again why reductio ad absurdum was used -- "did they therefore not include all Glock variations for moral reasons?" etc.

Quote[/b] ]It is also very strongly represented in this text that you feel he is wrong and it's also quite apparent that you were using his logical fallacies to support this claim in an indirect way.

I do feel he is wrong, but maybe he is actually right and I am the one that is wrong. Since he's not supported his claims logically and supported his logic with facts, it is impossible to know.

Quote[/b] ]I'm still fairly certain that you are using argumentum ad logicam.

I'm still fairly certain you are wrong. You've confused reductio ad absurdum for analogy and strawman arguments, for one. Wikipedia provides excellent references to fallacies as does the original site I used. I ask that if you want to call me on logical fallacies please be sure that it is actually faulty logic you are seeing.

By the way:

Quote[/b] ]It might also help your cause if you had made a critique of his argument that contained less fallacies itself.

From my understanding of your understanding of argument from fallacy, isn't this itself argument ad logicam? It might strengthen my conclusion to make less fallacies, isn't that what you accused me of doing to him (I feel that I have sufficiently proven that that is not the case).

[NeMeSiS 11]

Could you guys just die? Stop acting like a smartass, the reason they arent in is because of animations, everything else can be modded in later and if you do not want to play with it then you dont have to.

End of topic.

[Timblesink 0]

Wow.

Mods, please lock this thread before it gets any worse.

[mr burns 132]

The answer is simple and quite obvious. They don't have girls in Czechoslovakia.

Hell .. what a misunderstanding

You´ve got to travel to cz!

For every Skoda they´ve got at least +3 hotties in town, and be assured there are lot´s of Skodas around.

I´m almost glad that they didn´t understand what i was talking since it would´nt have been very nice

[DieAngel 0]

looks like , wtih all this hot talk i will just have to wait patiently for the proper mod tools to come out ...

And hope i can do an average job myself -_-

Who know? it might be popular after all heh...

If it's any consolation, I would download female soldier models and make textures for them representing proper soldiers.

Thanks for the head up, although i think i will wait until we get all the tools, my idea is to keep it as compatible as possible with the existing units, maybe even use the same face mapping so custom faces can still be used.

[Dr. Mojo- PhD 0]

Quote[/b] ]

Quote[/b] ]Why don´t you just give it a try, dial 911 and tell them you want to shoot up some kids or see them in action running from shootings ?

this fits your claim of me saying that violence towards children will rise ?

Yes, it does. You've linked fantasy to reality. Saying that a person who wants children in the game is the same as a person who wants to actually see children get shot at or shoot them up themselves is that link.

Quote[/b] ]This is above the limit for me. You make things up, then try to find a hasty excuse for your claim and then call me a liar ?

Sorry but this is flaming, nothing else.

I called you a liar because you told lies. What, by the way, do you consider telling somebody they have a mental defect and that they want to see women raped and children shot as? Not flaming?

Quote[/b] ]What has this to do with the issue at ALL ?

It is possible support that fantasy situations actually mitigate the instances of those same situations being carried out in reality.

Quote[/b] ]

Quote[/b] ]What´s next ? Ading a rape action function because it´s reality of war ?

Yup.

For somebody who complains about putting words into somebody's mouth as often as you do, you MIGHT want to quote the whole thing in context:

Quote[/b] ]

Quote[/b] ]Pure bullshit as I already posted that I opt for women ingame. You better read first, then talk, not vice versa.

Quote[/b] ]What´s next ? Ading a rape action function because it´s reality of war ?

Yup.

Yup, as in, yup you just said two mutually contradictory things. I'm sorry if that wasn't explicitly clear from the fact that it followed two mutually contradictory things.

Quote[/b] ]Another reason to report.

Nice, the mods should find this fun when I start reporting too. Picking between somebody who told the truth as harsh as it was and somebody who ranted at people for being psychos with mental problems and people who get off to rape and child murder should be a real treat for them.

Quote[/b] ]Another reason to report.

Nice, the mods should find this fun when I start reporting too. Picking between somebody who told the truth as harsh as it was and somebody who ranted at people for being psychos with mental problems and people who get off to rape and child murder should be a real treat for them.

Quote[/b] ]You are winding with no reason and with no direction. Point is you said that I didn´t want women in Arma and that is simply untrue as I posted that I want women in Arma. Quit it.

Of course, and I amended that statement to be more truthful when you pointed out that that was the case. I originally asked "why is an all-male population okay" and when you pointed out that women were acceptable in your mind, I amended that to be "why is an all-adult population okay? why is shooting ADULTS okay?"

Quote[/b] ]Another reason to report.

Nice, the mods should find this fun when I start reporting too. Picking between somebody who told the truth as harsh as it was and somebody who ranted at people for being psychos with mental problems and people who get off to rape and child murder should be a real treat for them.

Quote[/b] ]I certainly will not allow you to call me a liar. That is beyond the limit as you have absulutely no right, nor a legitimate reason nor the facts to back it up.

Except for the fact that you made two contradictory statements, this would be true. Unfortunately somebody who makes two contradictory statements must at least be lying in one statement.

Of course, I will certainly not allow you to call me somebody who enjoys rape and child murder and somebody with a mental defect as you have absolutely no right, nor a legitimate reason nor the facts to back it up.

Quote[/b] ]Therefore I will report you.

Therefore I will report you.

[celery 8]

Could you guys just die?

That is just totally argumentum nihilim ad parabellum!

This topic makes me wonder what the goal of the main belligerents here are. At least two of them want to give a highly sophisticated image of themselves by brandishing Latin words they learned in high school philosophy classes and one is just wrong with his silly and unexplained statements leaning to his personal experiences that most people have a hard time relating to, wanting to forbid things from people because someone might horridly "kill" a game character. Like an absolutist who wants to ban alcohol from all people, or a coop player who comes to diss CTF maps in the mission forum although he can just forget they exist.

To be totally fair, people who want kids in a game are most definetely out of their mind, I mean what kind of sicko must one be to even think of having a young human depicted in a software product? Sheesh. Pedophiles and murder rapists are the first to come into my mind!

[NeMeSiS 11]

Could you guys just die?

That is just totally argumentum nihilim ad parabellum!

Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum!

I dropped latin years ago, did something usefull instead

[max power 21]

I don't wish to participate in the argument any longer. You have some good points, Dr. Mojo, but you also have some very bad ones. This is degenerating into kind of a flame war and I wish to distance myself from it.

[Dr. Mojo- PhD 0]

Quote[/b] ]This topic makes me wonder what the goal of the main belligerents here are. At least two of them want to give a highly sophisticated image of themselves by brandishing Latin words they learned in high school philosophy classes...

I never took philosophy in high school.

Plus, why is using correct terminology attempting to give one's self a sophisticated image? Should BI rename the Stryker "that thing what drives with the folks on the inside" so that they don't come off as giving a "highly sophisticated image of themselves by brandishing military terminology they learned from doing research"?

How should I refer to logical fallacies then, if not by their proper name?

Quote[/b] ]To be totally fair, people who want kids in a game are most definetely out of their mind, I mean what kind of sicko must one be to even think of having a young human depicted in a software product? Sheesh. Pedophiles and murder rapists are the first to come into my mind!

Realists are the first ones to come into mine. Who's view is more right? Or should we leave policing up the police and thoughtcrimes in the realm of fiction?

Quote[/b] ]I don't wish to participate in the argument any longer. You have some good points, Dr. Mojo, but you also have some very bad ones. This is degenerating into kind of a flame war and I wish to distance myself from it.

That's very unfortunate. One, because I'm curious as to what my bad points are. I've pointed out my rationale for using the arguments as I did, and I'd like to know if I was truly wrong. Don't assume I argue because I want you to be wrong. I argue because I want to know who is right. Two, because guilt by association is something nobody should feel.

[Heatseeker 0]

Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum!

...

Maybe BIS will follow tradition and include some civilian women in the upcoming Arma expantion. Honestly though, they were pretty useless, except the one and only... Angelina .

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum!

...

Maybe BIS will follow tradition and include some civilian women in the upcoming Arma expantion. Honestly though, they were pretty useless, except the one and only... Angelina .

I'll agree, they were pretty useless. I would much rather have a fully working female soldier model than a lame civilian model.

[Xsi9mmTW 0]

Not to tread on Hostile ground but a child with a gun pointed at you and possibily being shot at you is an enemy and a bullet has no concious so its sad that children get thrown into warefare but it is a realistic idea to add children to the combat zone because in real life wether it be in war or even in the inner citys where a child waves a gun at a cop and the cop shoots the child. It is happening everywhere at anytime so its up to BIS but if was marek i guess i would just add children to the VBS-2 and that would be that and i guess i would only give it to the armys of the world as a realistic simulator. But then again i dont really care who my enemy is in this virtual world if someone has a gun and is shooting at me there my enemy does not matter there religion color age or sex there all enemys. And some of you may think im crazy but thats war war is absolute raw hell there is no 2 ways about it. My dad and myself have served in the military and my dad being a vietnam vet he has seen 10 year old vietnamese children burst out from little shacks firing ak-47s or kids gripping 2 hand grenades in there hands and running up and hugging the soldiers but releasing the grenades from there hands killing themselves and the soldiers Ive also been to iraq and ive seen little kids lying dead because of both Insurgent fire and that of american fire there just casualtys of war its sad but its true like i said before a bullet has no concious. Call me crazy all you want. I just dont see the difference. maybe its because of all the storys my dad has told me but alot of crazy inhuman stuff happens in war. also ive made missions where ive had Men line up and get mowed down excution style to show the horrors of World war 2 and the attrocitys commited on both sides. Children were included and thrown literally into the ferness. So what im saying is that kids adults females all play a part in war its the sad truth the only truly innocents are the 5 year olds and the babys and the really small children but 12 and up are potentially very deadly enemys. Infact a personal friend of mine who grew up in iraq was a soldier at the age of 15 so thats being a kid he could have easily died. Im not trying to say children should be killed just for personal sick and twisted pleasure. I do want to see woman in the Civilian class so we can do better hostage situations and for a better town/city ambience. So we can exclude the children because it is such a touchy subject for everyone but the more real the game the more people will realize that war is not a $#*%ing game its reality. And i think its the duty of a combat simulation to show the horrors and distress of modern warefare. So sorry if i struck anyones nerve and i accpect to be baradded without any restraint but whatever i just thought id say what was on my mind. Call me sick and twisted call me a horrible person but the things ive talked about are all true. So deal with it. PEACE! And i really think a member of the BIS team should comment on all this stuff because its really causing a buzz. But i do think that woman should be included atleast as civilians like in OFP:resistance. Anyways thats all im gonna say and i wont respond or rebutle because ive stated everything and i dont feel it nessecary to back up my reasons because they are my reasons and i dont care what you think or say so whatever. THE END!

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Hey man, don't take this the wrong way, but paragraphs are your friend. What you said has merit, but it would be better merit with some paragraphs to break up the huge block of text.

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I think this topic has gone to far in to many directions.

If you wish to discuss moral issues take them to the Off Topic forum

If you wish to talk about different Models do so in the ArmA - Addons & Mods : Discussion

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