Wasnt ArmA OFP With New Graphics, Island And Camp?

[westy159 0]

Im pretty sure that originally ArmA was OFP with a graphical update, a new island and with it a new campaign. So it was going to include the original CWC and Resistance campaigns and OFP islands (but not the Red Hammer camp as it was made by codemasters, as to my understanding).

So is this still what ArmA will be or did this idea vanish and they are doing a completely new game using an updated OFP engine?

[NeMeSiS 11]

did this idea vanish and they are doing a completely new game using an updated OFP engine?

Correct

[codarl 1]

due to legal reasons they cannot use any content that was in CWC.

but don't be worried, (Mapfact nogova+Resistance campaign) + (reworked AEC islands + CWC campaign) =

[CameronMcDonald 146]

Woah, that's a rude emoticon.

[Friedchiken 0]

Woah, that's a rude emoticon.  

We might need such an emoticon to describe our collective attitude if Codemasters tries to "Fox" such projects.

[scruffy 22]

did this idea vanish and they are doing a completely new game using an updated OFP engine?

Correct

But despite this we always see all this "...but ArmA is only an OFP 1.5"

As BIS themselves already stated they did so much more with ArmA than they first had planned. With every new interview and screenshot there seem to be new things, but most people keep saying it's just a small update.

The best example is that Gamestar.de news article about the E3 presentation. In estimated 90% of the posts in their forum the fans defend it to be only an OFP 1.5. Yes, that was how it was planned , but it became a real successor by now and we only feed and validate their prejudice of a lame out-of-time update.

Sure, there's Game 2 coming, too. And it will be revolutionary and bring even more new things for all we know. But that doesn't make the now all new ArmA only a small update, especially when some of the things from Game 2 are simply not in ArmA because the hardware now couldn't handle it (see interview statements about Havok physics and destroyable buildings).

As said, BIS already stated ArmA became more than they planned and called it the new Game 2, with Game 2 actually becoming Game 3 (just can't find that interview... ) and I think we should do this, too.

What do you think about it, with all that new features that would be enough for 2 games from another company, do you see ArmA as a real successor?

Or are there more things (and there definately are) you want to have, before you would speak of more than a OFP 1.5?

[martinovic 0]

ArmA is a half game that will make us not og insane until game 2 arrives.

Looking forward to game 2 nyet arma.

[scruffy 22]

But it was technically improved, we just call it an update because it's based on the same engine. Would that make Game 2 an update or half game, too? Is UT 2007 just an update to UT 99 because it's still the Unreal Engine? I don't think that's a very good argument. ArmA also offers many new features and a new setting and campaign. Isn't that what makes a successor?

[martinovic 0]

But it was technically improved, we just call it an update because it's based on the same engine. Would that make Game 2 an update or half game, too? Is UT 2007 just an update to UT 99 because it's still the Unreal Engine? I don't think that's a very good argument. ArmA also offers many new features and a new setting and campaign. Isn't that what makes a successor?

Game 2 is a new engine.

[-MP-OFP-CRICON 0]

Resistance upgrade to ArmA just like CWC upgrade to Resistance

[scruffy 22]

But it was technically improved, we just call it an update because it's based on the same engine. Would that make Game 2 an update or half game, too? Is UT 2007 just an update to UT 99 because it's still the Unreal Engine? I don't think that's a very good argument. ArmA also offers many new features and a new setting and campaign. Isn't that what makes a successor?

Game 2 is a new engine.

Actually it's not. Look at the Gameguru Interview, question 2.

[NeMeSiS 11]

CRICON @ May 14 2006,13:31)]Resistance upgrade to ArmA just like CWC upgrade to Resistance

No, there was only a very small difference between CWC and and RES (IIRC they only added support for higher res textures?) While the difference between RES and ArmA is ALOT bigger  

[Uziyahu--IDF 0]

We were always told that join-in-progress/mid-game joining would be impractical, if not impossible, to patch into OFP:CWC or OFP:R. ArmA will have mid-game joining, which leads me to consider it a new game. OFP:E plays so much better in multiplayer than OFP:R ever thought of doing, just by virtue of the mid-game joining.

[GBee 0]

The real problem is that people are setting others up for a big disappointment if they persist in calling Arma a new game.

If you didn't know about Arma and you heard that the people behind OFP were releasing a new game you'd rightly have high expectations for something as fresh, original and ground breaking* as their first game. With those expectations Arma would only ever fail to meet the hype.

It's like Matrix:Reloaded compared to the Matrix. Yes it wasn't a terrible film but it was a big letdown because it wasn't as revolutionary as the Matrix.

It's not the sequel many people, including myself, were hoping for. It may offer more than Resistance but it's still little more than an expansion/update. Now I'll buy OFP updates/expansions as long as BIS create them, but I'm just passing time until they (or someone else) creates the next generation game.

Edit: fixed typo

[Nathan Bedford Forrest 0]

due to legal reasons they cannot use any content that was in CWC.

but don't be worried, (Mapfact nogova+Resistance campaign) + (reworked AEC islands + CWC campaign) =

People have been banned for less :P Great emote though.

[JPSelter 0]

Until now I thought that ArmA would ship with 4 campaign: CWC, Red Hammer, Res and the new one. Then I was told that Red Hammer is missing because of legal issues and here I read only about Res to be included. Can anyone clearify this for me? What is included?

Is there a possibility that the community is able to transfer the Red Hammer campaign with a mod? What about the speech files, are there legal issues as well to export them from OFP?

[GBee 0]

No CWC, no Res and no Red Hammer. Cleared that up?

[JPSelter 0]

No, this confuses me even more. The plan was to release CWC and Res. When did they change their minds? Do you have any source like an interview?

[NeMeSiS 11]

No, this confuses me even more. The plan was to release CWC and Res. When did they change their minds? Do you have any source like an interview?

No, we dont, we just know that they wont be in

Here is where we first heard about it.

[JPSelter 0]

Thanks for the link, I´m a bit disappointed now as I was so excited how the old islands would look like. But on the other hand the community will make them available as soon as they can. Also Bohemia will perhaps make expansion packs, if they find the time. Hey that would be a great interview question! placebo! I have a question here!

[CsonkaPityu 0]

We should start researching for the CWC Mod... the Soviet troops stationed on Kolgujev were wearing KMLK uniforms like these guys in MGS3: http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/536/536086/img_2468243.html

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&t=15074

Now we need the helmet they were wearing. Cmon everyone lets start working. I'll learn O2 and possibly someone who has a PS2 can rip those models from MGS3.

[Guest Ti0n3r]

Let's just convert the stuff from Elite. It would look pretty good in ArmA...

[martinovic 0]

Let's just convert the stuff from Elite. It would look pretty good in ArmA...

Please not the Soviets from Elite, they look very bad! (no offense to BIS but... they do...)

PS: It's KLMK not KMLK. :O

[paragraphic l 2]

Much is possible with Elite such as pc missions to xbox and back, but I have no knowledge about it being able to convert the models and such, but as it will be able it would be great. Only thing on the islands that had to be updated would be the forests and with speed tree that isn't that much work i guess

[martinovic 0]

You should try to remake the Red Hammer campaign a bit differently, from a military point of view it was pretty ridiculous and it was completely different from the CWC campaign (the american landing, the russian movements).

BTW it is possible to run console games on PCs, so i think the models can be stripped and if we don't sell them for money it isn't a problem right?