FW200 0 Posted May 4, 2006 So horrible.. get all the crap off that gun Let the people who want to SOPMOD rape guns stick to their own Western platforms.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatseeker 0 Posted May 4, 2006 Oh no . Thats like putting neons on a ferrari.. Modernisation , more like "We cant build reliable weaponry so we put weight on them to make them look cool, fashionable and stupid..". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Delirium 0 Posted May 4, 2006 Oh no . Thats like putting neons on a ferrari.. Are you shi..... me? It's not a ferrari but a volkswagen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheres my rabbit ? 10 Posted May 5, 2006 i think certain people need to get out more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ares1978 0 Posted May 5, 2006 AK_sopmod Blasphemy! AK's should be left as Kalashnikov intended! Anyway, a local gun magazine did a much better job on a .223 SAR M1 in a series of articles where they bought and converted the standard rifle for 1000€. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum1 0 Posted May 5, 2006 Oh yes! How funny that armchair commandos like American, British, German, Israeli, Australian, Italian, French, Norwegian, Polish and Jordanian (better stop here before I take up the page) special operations forces and SWAT teams want their rifles to be modernly equipped! In fact, everyone who can afford it seems to be sticking a ridiculous amount of useless gizmos on their rifles! How silly! Games forum posters know how it should be, those sights and vertical grips are all just dead weight and makes the rifle look ugly! We should go tell the Serbian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, Czech and Slovakian special forces that use "modernized" AKs like this, I'm sure they will love our input. Only the well-respected "drug, Islamic and Communist guerrilla" expert special forces circles seem to be free of this stupid craze. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Delirium 0 Posted May 5, 2006 Oh yes! How funny that armchair commandos like American, British, German, Israeli, Australian, Italian, French, Norwegian, Polish and Jordanian (better stop here before I take up the page) special operations forces and SWAT teams want their rifles to be modernly equipped! In fact, everyone who can afford it seems to be sticking a ridiculous amount of useless gizmos on their rifles! How silly!Games forum posters know how it should be, those sights and vertical grips are all just dead weight and makes the rifle look ugly! We should go tell the Serbian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, Czech and Slovakian special forces that use "modernized" AKs like this, I'm sure they will love our input. Only the well-respected "drug, Islamic and Communist guerrilla" expert special forces circles seem to be free of this stupid craze. All the silly "gizmos" are useless until you start using them. Or maybe a rifle is too gizmo for you too. Better stick with a bow. It is lightweight and silent. It is not about looks but comfort and being effective. It is much efficient to use a foregrip than standart handguard. I would trust more experienced teams like those form US or UK rather than those propably of no combat experience at all, excluding ex-jugoslavian, who didn't really care what they used. Please, don't compare Serbian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, etc with armies like UK, US or Israel with almost 50 years of combat experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum1 0 Posted May 5, 2006 Quote[/b] ]All the silly "gizmos" are useless until you start using them. Or maybe a rifle is too gizmo for you too. Better stick with a bow. It is lightweight and silent. Or maybe I should start using [sARCASM] tags so everyone can understand?Quote[/b] ]I would trust more experienced teams like those form US or UK rather than those propably of no combat experience at all, excluding ex-jugoslavian, who didn't really care what they used.Please, don't compare Serbian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, etc with armies like UK, US or Israel with almost 50 years of combat experience. Regardless of your absolutely ridiculous statement that Serbian etc. special operations forces don't "care" what they use, they use the same attachments as these mighty Western forces you mention, the only difference is that the platform is an AK instead of an AR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nathan Bedford Forrest 0 Posted May 5, 2006 Oh yes! How funny that armchair commandos like American, British, German, Israeli, Australian, Italian, French, Norwegian, Polish and Jordanian (better stop here before I take up the page) special operations forces and SWAT teams want their rifles to be modernly equipped! In fact, everyone who can afford it seems to be sticking a ridiculous amount of useless gizmos on their rifles! How silly!Games forum posters know how it should be, those sights and vertical grips are all just dead weight and makes the rifle look ugly! We should go tell the Serbian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, Czech and Slovakian special forces that use "modernized" AKs like this, I'm sure they will love our input. Only the well-respected "drug, Islamic and Communist guerrilla" expert special forces circles seem to be free of this stupid craze. rofl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Delirium 0 Posted May 5, 2006 Quote[/b] ]All the silly "gizmos" are useless until you start using them. Or maybe a rifle is too gizmo for you too. Better stick with a bow. It is lightweight and silent. Or maybe I should start using [sARCASM] tags so everyone can understand?Quote[/b] ]I would trust more experienced teams like those form US or UK rather than those propably of no combat experience at all, excluding ex-jugoslavian, who didn't really care what they used.Please, don't compare Serbian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, etc with armies like UK, US or Israel with almost 50 years of combat experience. Regardless of your absolutely ridiculous statement that Serbian etc. special operations forces don't "care" what they use, they use the same attachments as these mighty Western forces you mention, the only difference is that the platform is an AK instead of an AR. 1. Maybe it is too much "gizmo" for me or it was just enough for you to understand. 2. Good for them, at least they can make some use of that technology that you seem to think is obsolete. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raedor 8 Posted May 5, 2006 Quote[/b] ]All the silly "gizmos" are useless until you start using them. Or maybe a rifle is too gizmo for you too. Better stick with a bow. It is lightweight and silent. Or maybe I should start using [sARCASM] tags so everyone can understand?Quote[/b] ]I would trust more experienced teams like those form US or UK rather than those propably of no combat experience at all, excluding ex-jugoslavian, who didn't really care what they used.Please, don't compare Serbian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, etc with armies like UK, US or Israel with almost 50 years of combat experience. Regardless of your absolutely ridiculous statement that Serbian etc. special operations forces don't "care" what they use, they use the same attachments as these mighty Western forces you mention, the only difference is that the platform is an AK instead of an AR. 1. Maybe it is too much "gizmo" for me or it was just enough for you to understand. 2. Good for them, at least they can make some use of that technology that you seem to think is obsolete. Somebody doesn't know what sarcasm means it seems... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum1 0 Posted May 5, 2006 Chill out Delirium, I'm on your side Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Delirium 0 Posted May 5, 2006 Chill out Delirium, I'm on your side I am chilled as a summer beer. No worries there. I think They should modernize the Ak's in the way all the addons were as friendly as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echo1 0 Posted May 5, 2006 The Americans already have (or are getting) the SCAR which can use AK mags. I think that gun is just a waste of time, the only reason you'd want to use an AK is cause its simple and reliable, putting every fancy yoke on it takes away from that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ti0n3r Posted May 5, 2006 Pfft, my swiss army knife has got more gadgets than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum1 0 Posted May 5, 2006 The Americans already have (or are getting) the SCAR which can use AK mags. I think that gun is just a waste of time, the only reason you'd want to use an AK is cause its simple and reliable, putting every fancy yoke on it takes away from that The military-grade electronics used on these rifles aren't nearly as flimsy as people think, and they have extremely long battery lives. They have been battle-proven, and even if they have a (extremely small) chance of failure they dramatically increase the usefulness of a rifle. I can personally say that an AK or AR with a good red dot becomes a whole new killing machine. And if they fail, you can just take them off and use the original sights, no loss at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FW200 0 Posted May 5, 2006 A modern Ak would be an AK-107/108/109 with the BARS recoil system... For all those "tactical" lovers, Izhmash also does railed handguards.. They also come standard with sidemounts and folding stocks, so no aftermarket parts needed for those.. And if you insist on a vertical grip.. you could always use what most Russians use, which is the magazine.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echo1 0 Posted May 5, 2006 And if you insist on a vertical grip.. you could always use what most Russians use, which is the magazine.. I was under the impression that using a mag as a grip is a very bad idea, no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FW200 0 Posted May 5, 2006 Only if you are using an Armalite variant with weak magazines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatseeker 0 Posted May 5, 2006 http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/ Scroll down a bit. How to customise an AK without making it look ghey ... And why did they do that "modernised" abomination? Perhaps because there are hundreds of western manufacturers whose profit derives from creating accessories that increase the lethality of not so great weaponry.. perhaps they wish to expand their market with their "cool" looking accessories. Perhaps its just a comercial stunt to make an impression since weapon accessories seem very fashionable these days .. I didnt mean to ofend anyone really but that "modernised" AK looks like clumsy bs, there are better alternatives imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginger_Biscuit 0 Posted May 5, 2006 I don't know what to say... Thats got to be the most horrible picture of an AK i've ever seen! To be fair i cant see the usefullness of having dot sights and the like on a gun but if you're gona do it to an AK then you should at least use Russian attachments. If you want a front grip then use the mag as FW200 suggests...or use a Romanian AK... Anyway, it maybe one hell of an ugly gun with all that tat on it, but remember that nothing kills quite like an AK does  Biscuit (AK lover ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ti0n3r Posted May 5, 2006 Hah, the ergonomic pistol grip and the mag makes it look like some fucking Batman gadget lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted May 5, 2006 I don't think you would put all that gadget on that rifle, but having a rail system expands a lot of options. So making a new rail system is a good move. There are certain group of people who love putting loads of stuff on the rail and modify it. But it does not represent the fact that a rail system is a very good one to have. Rail systems allow users to add what they want with ease. Some people would prefer Aimpoint over Trijicon and if there were no rail system putting it on or chnaging it would be a pain in the ass. Same for forward grip. Different people have different arm length so having adjustable length is good too. It may look "tactical wannabe-ish" but if you are on the frontline and need all the help you need, having a rail system would be a plus. Enemies don't look at your rifle and say, "That's one ugly rifle". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nephilim 0 Posted May 5, 2006 yep ralph besides.. i think is a very practical thing for sf operators imagine your otta there in the desert... your m4 mags are empty... btu youve got dozens of ak mags lying around from killed insurgents or wotsoever... only would be clever to use them.. and overall.. it doesnt really matter wot rifle you fire.. m4 and ak74 are identical in terms of that ak74 is more powerfull though :P so befor you folks piss it off just by looks better thing again and take a different view on it thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites