ACU/M16A4 or BDU/M16A2...

[CameronMcDonald 146]

I say ACU all the way, cause I'm a realism nut. But I recommend IMHO to make both, partially because your excellent BDU textures shouldn't go to waste.

Secondly because judging from those BDU textures, your ACU ones would be excellent. And I should really like to be able to use your textures in other projects (because I basically stole mine from KMan, and he uses a different model).

So do both, but please have ACU available.

[chipper 0]

just make the pack with regular bdus and m16a2 and then release a patch for those wanting acus and/or m16a4

[EricJ 763]

Now I am no expert but neither are a lot of people who have already shared their opinion so here goes mine:

From all the pictures Ive seen, most of the Army's frontline units, they use the M4A1.  This is why we saw so many pictures of the M4A1 when OIF started because all of the frontline units like the 101st and 82nd airborne, 2nd and 3rd Armored Calvary, and  3rd Mech. Inf Divisions were deployed in the beginning.  However, since the 'end of the war' a lot of reserve and national guard units have been deployed, who are still stuck with the M16A2.  Also, a lot of the support batallions still use the M16A2.  This is why we see more pics of the M16A2 then we did in the beginning of the war.

Okay, check your head, the M4A1 is the full auto version of the M4, which has Safe-Semi-Burst. Doubt me? Join the US Army. And not all Support units still use M16A2s, combat units that don't have A4s still use the A2.

Matter of fact, the two NG units I worked with before rotating out had M16A4s and M4 with rail systems (with some A2s sprinkled here and there), so whatever point you're making, is ill-informed.

[Redding 1]

Now I am no expert but neither are a lot of people who have already shared their opinion so here goes mine:

From all the pictures Ive seen, most of the Army's frontline units, they use the M4A1. This is why we saw so many pictures of the M4A1 when OIF started because all of the frontline units like the 101st and 82nd airborne, 2nd and 3rd Armored Calvary, and 3rd Mech. Inf Divisions were deployed in the beginning. However, since the 'end of the war' a lot of reserve and national guard units have been deployed, who are still stuck with the M16A2. Also, a lot of the support batallions still use the M16A2. This is why we see more pics of the M16A2 then we did in the beginning of the war.

Furthermore, some of the Army's recently constituted divisions, the 'high-tech' mech infantry batallions, are using the M16A4. This would include all the new Stryker batallions.

Now these are just general guidelines and of course nothing is universal in the Army.

Also, for you non-Americans, dont confuse the Army with the Marines. They are the big users of the M16A4, not the Army. The Marines have pretty much fully switched to the M16A4 since just after the beginning of OIF. Before that they used the M16A2, and the only units in the Marines that use M4s are special units such as Force Recon etc. However, like the Army, many of the support and reserve units in the Marines still use the A2.

Now for camo:

From what I can understand, pretty much any Army unit that rotates over to Iraq since sometime last year gets sent there with the new ACU. The only units that still have BDU's are the ones that were there before the ACU was implemented. So sometime soon all Army units in Iraq should be wearing the ACU. However, like always there are going to be exceptions, most notably the special operations community. Also, it will probably be awhile before all the reserve and support units get ACU.

The Marines have pretty much fully switched over to MARPAT camo for some time now, before that they wore BDU's, and they never have and never will wear ACU.

So in the end, I don't think either of the poll choices would be fitting for the Army in the near future. The best choice would be ACU and M4A1's.

You're the one that's been the closest so far. The only thing is, is that U.S. line units don't use the M4A1, they just use the regular M4 Carbine.

The BDU's are being phased out. All units coming back, those that have been, and those getting ready to deploy have ACU's. BDU's are no longer issued in Basic Training. The Reserve and National Guard forces are getting them, but it's on a priority basis. (Those deploying will get them first, etc.)

But other than that the quoted post is correct.

[Placebo 29]

Too bad you are 100% wrong Sorry, couldn't resist HAHA

Please refrain from flamebaiting on these forums.

dude it says right there on that page its full-auto you stupid idiot. Think before you flame someone"

Please refrain from flaming on these forums.

[GODSMACK 0]

Don't give them the A4, I havn't seen a single Solider with an A4. It's split pretty evenly between M4's and A2's, although some of there A2's have Rails. The Majority of Soliders around here, Baghdad if your wondering, are wearing ACU's.

[panzergrenadier3 39]

Use ACU to make OFP ready for the future and szenarios of future.

I think OFP will be used long time after release of ArmA. Because you have all the great units and vehicles that needs to build for ArmA. And I think that would take some time

In my opinion the best time to use a game, is the end time of the game. Because all the beautifull addons are done. And that's the reason why ACU. To make OFP ready for future...

Great work your FFUR packs!!!

[mp_phonix 0]

im sry for this stupid question:

the BDU cammo is the one used by US sodliers in FFUR2005 ? (HyK modern soldiers camo)

because i thinks its the best (the one in FFUR 2005)

[CameronMcDonald 146]

To clarify your question:

BDU (Battle Dress Uniform) is the camouflage currently seen on the HYK's soldiers, designed to blend into a woodland environment.

ACU is the US Army's new digital camouflage, designed to provide some concealment in all possible environs and thus (by reducing the number of different camo schemes from 3 to 1) ease logistics.

[EricJ 763]

Don't give them the A4, I havn't seen a single Solider with an A4.  It's split pretty evenly between M4's and A2's, although some of there A2's have Rails.  The Majority of Soliders around here, Baghdad if your wondering, are wearing ACU's.

Hehe you need to get out more, the basic training unit had them yesterday, and have seen them in regular line units.

[BlackScorpion 0]

Just to clarify. BDU (Battle Dress Uniform) is the older US Army uniform standard, issued in the 1981 with US woodland camouflage. The desert version is called DBDU.

ACU (Army Combat Uniform) is the newer US Army uniform standard, which is being issued at the moment. The ARPAT (a.k.a. ACUPAT) camouflage is a grey-shaded digital pattern, meant for all-terrain use, as stated before (effiency questionable though).

Sorry...

[Imshi-Yallah 0]

I say ACU, its time to accept it

[456820 0]

the only thing with the ACU is if you are a russian in MP you could spot the ACU camo much more easily then if it was the BDU.

Thats why i voted for M16A2 and BDU

[CanadianTerror 0]

I say have both.

But, those desert boots look dumb as hell if you are on say...Nogova for example.

When you get your kit, is it sandy boots and ACU only or do you get non sandy colored boots as well?

[stgn 39]

Why not have BDU as the standard and have a folder called Men - ACU or somthing then everybody can be happy almost.

STGN

[chipper 0]

ACU in teh lead. But I still think it should be an option as a patch or something

[Thunderbird 0]

Hi,

Quote[/b] ]But, those desert boots look dumb as hell if you are on say...Nogova for example.

Indeed, according to the US army the ACU theorically should blends in with several environments in real life, but it doesn't fit that well with OFP green fields.

As you could see below.

It's still a beta, though, 'will improve it more...

Quote[/b] ]s it sandy boots and ACU only or do you get non sandy colored boots as well?

As far as I've seen in ACU photos I collected in order to make the textures, all ACU soldiers were wearing those sandy boots.

Quote[/b] ]Why not have BDU as the standard and have a folder called Men - ACU or somthing then everybody can be happy almost.

I think that we will follow this way.

Btw, it seems that the advantage now goes to the ACU vote.

Once again, cheers to everyone who voted or shared opinion.

Best Regards

Thunderbird84

[AiRBLaDE 0]

that ACU really sticks out, it looks like winter camo to me.  Surely your not going to use these as the default BIS soldiers?  Even if you improved them, it still would stick out.

just my opinion.

Quote[/b] ]Why not have BDU as the standard and have a folder called Men - ACU or somthing then everybody can be happy almost.

STGN

This is the best idea.

[billybob2002 0]

that ACU really sticks out, it looks like winter camo to me.  Surely your not going to use these as the default BIS soldiers?  Even if you improved them, it still would stick out.

just my opinion.

Quote[/b] ]Why not have BDU as the standard and have a folder called Men - ACU or somthing then everybody can be happy almost.

STGN

This is the best idea.

ACU is not that bright in RL compared to thunderbirds' model. It is alittle bit "darker." I saw a officer wearing a ACU and I don't remember it was that bright.

[chipper 0]

darker and greener

[CanadianTerror 0]

Looks similar but a bit bright compared to this pic

Here

[adrenaline red 0]

If you do use the ACUpat I hope you can use Nut's, they are great.

And the ingame images and some of the pictures of the ACU dont do it justice. I use the ACU top for paintballing and it works great. And is nowhere near as bright as it looks in some of the pics. I even heard some where that it was darkened up a bit along with a few other adjustments.

If I can get my hands on a digital camera I would be happy to post some pics.

A big problem in OFP that I see with this camo pattern is its reflective properties. If you were to look at it in a dark or at least not well lit room the ACU looks dark greenish, perferct for the dark jungles or greener areas. But as soon as you flick on the lights the brown and tan become way more noticable and the greens and darker tones become less visable. So in a bright desert it would work a bit better. OFP dosent have that kinda lighting effects, so to compromise I say make it darker and maybe bring up the tan and green colors a bit more.

In the OFP engine I think it is impossible to correctly simulate the real ACU, so at the least it should be made less bright. IMHO.

[max power 21]

Apparently, ACU and Multicam are total crap. This is what I hear from military men.

[adrenaline red 0]

Yeah they either love it or hate it. Allot of them hated it before they tried to work some of the kinks out, and I bet allot still do.

But I think they just dont like the actual color scheme. The actual design of the uniform is great, there was allot of input from soldiers in its development and it has a bunch of bells and whistles.

They dont have to iron it, the pockets are angled so they can get to them even of they have body armour on. The collar is really neat, you can fold it so it looks like a typical BDU collar, or strap it around the neck so it kinda looks like the collar of the USMC Dress Blues. Then there are pockets in the inside of the pants and shirt where you can insert elbow or knee pads.

Most I have spoken too love the basic design of the uniform, the disagreement is pretty much about the colors, which is a difference in taste.

[EvEnLeaSe44 0]

I voted ACU, i mean really, I think seeing some new camo in the game would be a nice damn change.

And i have alot of army buddys, and from what i hear, they love there new ACU's...