Battle Tank/APC Preference

[Gedis 0]

lol, it's AT weapon and defenetely not the best...

[franze 196]

Let's see how well you feel after getting hit by 16 AGM-114L.

[Gedis 0]

well you should familarise with russian AT missiles then...

when Apache will carry 16hellfires, Mi-28A/N - 16Vihrs and rocket pods

and enough of this crap... out of topic man...

[stevevcb 3]

Tanks don't drop out of the sky when they run out of fuel

[Jezza_NL 0]

Let's see how well you feel after getting hit by 16 AGM-114L.  

Lets see how well your AH64 fares after it copped a 120mm DM 53 KE round from a Leopard 2A6.

[Scrub 0]

*Drops six 0.5kt MIRV's in a 2 km. radial spread on topic*

There.  That should scrap all that great flag-waving armor..  

I vote Combat! Bradley (APC, not IFV),  Pretty fast, reasonable armor, good all around capabilities. Using dismounted troops as ridge scouts and decoy (with AT), able to survive and move from cover to cover and hit where it hurts.  It's a large profile, bit noisy, but versatile weapons platform.

The Leopard MBT (sorry, forgot addon maker) just 'feels' right, matched armor, weapon, movement.  It's a joy to cut around the battlefield in... And it looks GREAT! (sorry American superficialism coming out )

[franze 196]

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well you should familarise with russian AT missiles then...

when Apache will carry 16hellfires, Mi-28A/N - 16Vihrs and rocket pods

and enough of this crap... out of topic man...

Those are Atakas you doppleganger.

And Atakas don't have anywhere near the penetration, range or top attack capability that the AGM-114 packs.

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Tanks don't drop out of the sky when they run out of fuel

They hold still real good though.

Plus, tanks can't mount auxiliary tanks and feed from them at the same time!

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Lets see how well your AH64 fares after it copped a 120mm DM 53 KE round from a Leopard 2A6.

Let's see you hit it first. 8 klicks is a lot of distance to cover.

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*Drops six 0.5kt MIRV's in a 2 km. radial spread on topic*

You cheated.

[Gedis 0]

not only atakas, you meat head!

atakas or shturms

and compare armor penetrations

it seems missile ranges are equal...

but don't forget, when apache is carrying 16hellfires, mi-28a/n carries standartly 16atakas or shturms and rocket pods

let you remind overwhelming power of 30mm cannon and armor of mi-28...

but Mi-28 will never have that attractive siluet and small size like apache

[Ares1978 0]

*Drops six 0.5kt MIRV's in a 2 km. radial spread on topic*

"The enemy cannot push a button, if you disable his hand."  

Anyway, I voted for the T-55. It's been around since the 50's and can still ruin the day for anybody driving something in the same weight class. And isn't there a 120mm CTG L50 upgrade package for it anyway?  

[Gedis 0]

as i know there is a 125mm smothbore gun for T-55... and modernized it looks cool...

[franze 196]

not only atakas, you meat head!

atakas or shturms

and compare armor penetrations

it seems missile ranges are equal...

but don't forget, when apache is carrying 16hellfires, mi-28a/n carries standartly 16atakas or shturms and rocket pods

let you remind overwhelming power of 30mm cannon and armor of mi-28...

but Mi-28 will never have that attractive siluet and small size like apache

OT:

Shturms? HAH! Shturms are outdated missiles compared to the Ataka and Vikhr!

Civilian stats for Shturm gives it a 600-700mm penetration, Ataka 900mm, and Vikhr the same as that. Civilian stats estimate a range of 8 to 10 klicks for Ataka/Vikhr series - you get that kind of range when you don't have to arc over your target.

The penetration estimates for the HELLFIRE series, especially the K and L models, are pretty hard to find but initial estimates give 1100mm to 1200mm.

True about the cannon, Russia always made some pretty nice guns. Anyone remember the Vya 23mm? Or the NS-37s?

Lastly, the Mi-28 can't keep the rockets and the Atakas, and keep a few defensive AAMs availible at the same time.

(Lets keep this going - maybe we can make the tank drivers blow a fuse! )

And lets not forget, the HELLFIRE is one sexy missile!

Compared to Vikhr...

[Gedis 0]

range:

Ataka mods.

- 9M120 - 400-6000

- 9M220 - 400-6000

- 9M220O - 400-7000

- 9M120M - 800-8000

"The missile has a tandem shaped charge warhead for penetration of 950mm to 1,000mm armour."

So ataka can easely destroy M1A2 SEP Abrams  

maybe you don't know how to count? 8 atakas and rocket pod on one pylon, on other side is second pylon...

vs.

And if we would compare Vikhr with Hellfire2, Vikhr=12km range, over 1000mm penetration, flying speed is 600m/s! amazing!!!

here's official info about Hellfire II

P.S. Ataka means not only missile, but missile complex in which Vikhrs can be inserted too :P

it's getting funnier and funnier, you know Franze, we are comparing helicopters almost from different class... have you checked weights?   Apache=Medium anti tank heli; Havoc=Heavy anti tank heli...

[Messiah 2]

*cough* apache isnt a tank

[tankieboy 0]

*cough* apache isnt a tank

Is it not?

[sanctuary 19]

[honchoblack 2]

My vote goes to the Sanctuary Killer Beast machine thing (previous page, last post), must be the ultimate fighting tank. Too bad that it cant swim, and is vulnerable to the back (but arent tanks always).

Apart from that I just love the RHS T-55s, they may be old (the tanks, not the addon), but still able to spread fear among the those of the same wheight/age.

[Daniel 0]

That's awesome!

[@cero 0]

I voted addon.

The BTR-T got to be my favourite armoured vehicle in OFP, just love the things is capable to do, use it as anithing, and it can kick some rear on any other armoured vehicle.

Other than that I love the RHS T-55's, they are just class. They are a pice of garbage in real life and virtually any other armored vehicle capable of AT figting can blow it appart in two seconds, but is a classic, is like a 45 Chevy next to a bunch of modern sporters, is going to cort your eye, eye eye. T-55, bring it on.

Regards.

@CERO.

[franze 196]

range:

Ataka mods.

- 9M120 - 400-6000

- 9M220 - 400-6000

- 9M220O - 400-7000

- 9M120M - 800-8000

"The missile has a tandem shaped charge warhead for penetration of 950mm to 1,000mm armour."

So ataka can easely destroy M1A2 SEP Abrams

maybe you don't know how to count? 8 atakas and rocket pod on one pylon, on other side is second pylon...

And if we would compare Vikhr with Hellfire2, Vikhr=12km range, over 1000mm penetration, flying speed is 600m/s! amazing!!!

here's official info about Hellfire II

P.S. Ataka means not only missile, but missile complex in which Vikhrs can be inserted too :P

it's getting funnier and funnier, you know Franze, we are comparing helicopters almost from different class... have you checked weights? Apache=Medium anti tank heli; Havoc=Heavy anti tank heli...

Trust me when I say 1,000mm isn't enough to get through M1A2 SEP armor.

Vikhr has a 10km range, helicopter launched - 12km applies to Su-25T.

The Mi-28 and AH-64 are not worlds apart, in fact I'd say they're the most similar helicopters you'd find. (With the exception the Mi-28 is a huge blot on the Longbow MMW radar, and Stinger bait to boot!

Lastly, RockofSL gave me a severe beating on trusting what Lockheed marketing has to say about the HELLFIRE.

@Messiah

Says you!

Ask J4K3 PR3$70N what he thinks.

@Sanctuary

That's just... Wrong.

[ZipDog 0]

My favourite has got to be the UKF warrior IFV!  

That engine growl is sweet, just the thing I love to hear from over a hill after fending off hordes of ruskies for ten minutes!  It can hold its own in a fight too, I replaced the BIS units in my CWC campaign with UKF stuff (still need an MBT to replace the Abrams though ), and a few missions now end a lot sooner as the Warrior storms in and mops up everyone!    That Milan teaches those cocky BMPs and T72s a few lessons too!  (Top tip, try the Warrior out in the 'Vulcan' SP mission    )

[Daniel 0]

Quote[/b] ]still need an MBT to replace the Abrams though

Why not use the DKM Challenger? It's old now but it's still bloody awesome. UKF have one in the works though if you prefer waiting.

[ZipDog 0]

Yeah i like that, expecially the 'Charm! Loaded!' when it reloads, but i dunno it just doesn't 'look' right if you know what i mean.  

[NorthenNat 0]

PUKF's Warrior gets my vote. The co-ax mg sound if fantastic!

[tankieboy 0]

Yeah i like that, expecially the 'Charm! Loaded!' when it reloads, but i dunno it just doesn't 'look' right if you know what i mean.

Don't wanna slag it off but 'Charm! Loaded!' is never said IRL.

[CrunchyFrog 0]

Someones BMP-3... Thats a APC with firepower!