T-90 and T-80U RELEASED!!!

[king homer 1]

King Homer,

Do you realy think your SEPs are better? I tryed with 1xT-80U(with basic experience and ranking) against 4xSEPs (with maximum experience and ranking)

whole abrams platoon was in smoke, as for me, being a tank commander, for this crazy and heroic action, i would be reworded by the medals...

though i did same thing with T-90, more esyer than with T-80U

so let the tank battle knowledge be with me!

And i start to think that T tanks are over powered, compared with sigs T-72, i found it very difficult to destroy SEPs, but i did it, now, with these tanks i'm one against at least 4 and i do it very easly, strange, i didn't expected that...

but i like hard training and work... so i hope rhs tanks will be correct in every part...

Przezdzieblo,

T-72B and T-90 turrets have to be different a bit, not because of T-90's ERA plates, but because of basic turret armor is also increased...

Sure you can kill the M1A2 SEP with the T80U, shouldn't be too difficult with good tactics. But I was talkin in general, the M1A2 SEP can blow up the T80/T90 with one APFSDS round. With the updated and modified config I'm currently using, it isn't that easy anymore.

Also those 2 tanks seem overpowered, Gedis did you check the config?

[Gedis 0]

King Homer,

Oh yes! Abrams APFSDS round can destroy T-72 turret with one hit, as about T-80 and 90 it's unknown, not tested in combat, but both tanks has era armor, which also is great thing against aditional kinetic rounds...

I didn't checked in config, but i feel they are over powered...

and don't think abrams is so strong to out stand reflex...

about rounds, 2 APFSDS rouns from T-90 will destroy abrams, you know that well...

who will detect enemy tank first and fire? T-90 from 5km will fire reflex :P when abrams will start shooting from 4km trying to hit T-90, but it's imposible! And again, have to talk about counter-measures, when abrams gunner will start fireing laser range finder, T-90's system, called SHTORA, will automaticaly detect it and fire smoke grenades, which will mes up laser finder calculations... in mean time T-90 will hide in the possition and fire it's APFSDS, knowing T-90 can fire 3 rounds in 13 seconds, abrams will be toasted...

and about detection, who has low siluet? maybe abrams? no! T-64/72/80/90 and low siluet is very huge factor of detecting tank in great distance...

but, there's always has to be it, BUT, i don't know much about night vission systems in T-80/90, only about abrams thermal imaging...

[Jezz 0]

t-80um armor=1100

t-90 armor=1050;

maybe im just ignorant but i thought t-80u had armour in the region of 900mm

[hellfish6 7]

Oh joy. Another pissing contest about who makes better tanks - Russians or Americans.

How about we just talk about the addons?

[xnodunitx 0]

its the cold war all over again,tanks are good against eachother but helicopters are even better against them.

[Gedis 0]

em... not who makes better tanks, just facts, if you don't want to believe in facts, thats your problem,i didin'twriten this scenario, but secret services analytics, i only rewriten this...

this what i want to see in tank addons...

jop, helicopters are better, but same system works for them, didin't you know merkava destroyed helis from it smoothbore gun? didin't you know reflex missile has a range of 5km and altitude of 200m, it is mentioned, reflex can destroy low flying helicopters...

P.S. maybe rhs will make all counter measure systems correctly... it would be very great

[hellfish6 7]

Facts are thrown about like candy around here. Please just stick to the addon.

[Przezdzieblo 0]

Gedis, if T72B and T90 turrets (early version, cast; and new T90 addon is, no daubt, a T90 of early version) are not the same (basic ammo increased, maybe by new inserts?), are veeeeeeery similar. If you see details of T90 turret just under fron K5 pannels you will see it`s shape looking just like in T72B. Same are dimensions, places, where sights "go" through the rood, hatches, IR lights, etc. Just compare both models, SeaDemon`s/ORCS T72B and timamas T90 - here turrets are not similar :/

Reflex (or Reflex-M; nota bene, 9M119 or 9M119M, not 9M120! probably would have problems with the thickest SEP armour (estimated for more than 1500 mm RHAe! 9M119 can do 700-750 mm RHAe + ERA). Dealing with HEATs - this is why Chobham was developed for.

about rounds, 2 APFSDS rouns from T-90 will destroy abrams, you know that well...

No regular Russian 125 APFSDS have enough power to penetrate the thickest SEP armour at 2000 m. And M829A2 have a chance to do it with earlier T90s - of course if not be crushed by K5.

who will detect enemy tank first and fire? T-90 from 5km will fire reflex :P

Yep, who? T90 (earlier versions) with normal optics and night passive channel or Abrams (all versions) with Thermal Image sight?

And again, have to talk about counter-measures, when abrams gunner will start fireing laser range finder, T-90's system, called SHTORA, will automaticaly detect it and fire smoke grenades, which will mes up laser finder calculations...

How could smoke mess calculations while Shtora react after laser impulse hit a tank and calculations are already made? And APFSDS round do not need laser iluminations as TOWs or  Hellfires (old) do.

in mean time T-90 will hide in the possition and fire it's APFSDS, knowing T-90 can fire 3 rounds in 13 seconds, abrams will be toasted...

Of course if T90 crew could see anything by intense cloud of own smoke

Jezz, every data are estimates. But it could be found (f.e. at Vasily Fofanov`s page) that T80UM with K5 armour have max. about 800 mm RHAe (glacis) and 730 mm RHAe (turret) against KE and 1300 mm RHAe against CE. And protection level of early T90 is pretty similar. So all values in config depence what armour system we use - vs KE (Sigma-6, WGL), vs CE (Lost Brothers, CAVS proposals), vs BIS (DKM), vs INQ M1 etc.

P.S. Candy is good And what could be said about addons? I see no external differences between the newest and older versions of timamas tanks. OTOH there is a try of some standarization with ORCS addons which could make new system.

[Gedis 0]

em...

it looks you busted me, but...

about turrets, you see what is writen?

P.S. how to cross out this last phrase about turrets? I checked, it's not truth...  Edited by Gedis on Aug. 05 2005,14:33

about turret differences in real:

On T-72B they placed era bricks-T-72B ERA, later mod was T-72BM, it had K5 pannels which is same as T-90's from external view and newiest mod. T-72M1 Modernized, it' a mod to upgrade oldest T-72M1 export version even with Arena-E!

about detection:

do you think SEP uses thermal imaging in clear weather and not covered area with smoke?

Besides what Abrams all versions with Thermal Image sight?

those old ones Thermal image sight at day proved to be less effective, it reached only 2km, thats why SEP was born, it was supplyed with commanders TIV with new thermal imaging devise, which now allows to reach 4km.

oh, about SEPs there are no more than 800 of them...

SHTORA:

as i know, shtora scans area with it's 6 lasers, which are used to detect other laser sygnals, another side of sthora includes 2 IR projectors, which are used to confuse ATGM with IR targeting devices...

left IR projector

right IR projector

Addon needs to be corrected, NEEDS! please put counter-measures systems! modify turret...

for more info, look here:

MBT T-90S

T-90 drawing

T-90(you can use translator)

more about T-90

more, you can translate to english language

My knowledge about T-90 is based not only by the "official" sites about military, not only by Tank books, but even videos and even from CIA manual books (thought i have it only about T-62)

P.S. T-72BM later was called T-90E because T-90 program had started and BM was it's first start...

If you don't like me, just ban me, why do i discuss with people which don't know a bit of truth or don't want to believe...

[Pappy Boyington 0]

ok... enough about whos tank is cooler...

lets talk about this tank..

namly the fact that:

1- the skirt where the barrel meets the tank is a blank texture and

2-the t90 has the option to "ride in back" dispite the fact there is no cargo proxies on the t90

edit: found out why 2 is a bug... the T90 is clased as an M1abrams?!  

Y2K3 abrams has that cargo proxy.. but why is a russian tank.. configed as an american one

oh yea does it mention in the readme it requires the ICP T72 addon too? i mean i have it and all but some people may not know this.

and about the texture bug its maped to icp_t72s\1\korpus.paa

using texturep3d im remaping it to icp_t72s\korpus.paa where the texture file is.. hopefuly this remedeys the missing texture bug

[sanctuary 19]

1- the skirt where the barrel meets the tank is a blank texture and

You -need- to have the version 1.1 from the ORCS T72 (i think OFP.info has only the version 1.0 ) to solve the white texture on the 1.1 ORCS T80/T90

you can download the 1.1 ORCS T72 there

I had the exact same problem , and downloading the newer version of T72 solved it.

[.COMmunist 0]

Thanks Sanctuary, I was wondering about that untextured spot.

One other thing I noticed is the snorkling pipe. If I remember correctly from my old days in the military, tank requires two snorkles (one for the crew, another one for the engine). Perhaps they upgraded the system for newer tanks and it only uses one pipe now. Can someone check? I am not sure if it is even important, not many ppl going to drive these tanks in OFP underwater.

About all these arguments. It is so funny to watch ppl arguing abou the subject they know so little about! Do you fools realy think that military gives ALL the information to this so called analysts. If Russians have a shell that can melt right through the best Abrahms armor, they WILL NEVER LET AMERICANS KNOW. Same goes for the US military. You have to be stupid to give this kind of info out! Once in the while they would release some facts here and there just to scare the opponent a little bit, but esential info is kept secret. So when couple of cocksuckers somewhere on any military forums arguing with each other who's military dick is longer, it only makes them look stupid ( ppl should stop believing everything they read on those, so-called official military websites).

[lee_h._oswald 0]

Best russian tank addons available!

Top work!

MfG Lee

[Pappy Boyington 0]

speaking of the snorkel...

what is the selection name for it? so i can hide it.

im trying to incorperate it into Y2K3... and i have the exact, unchanged, eventhandler's class.. i have everything in my config that u have in yours... but the snorkel is initialy "up" and driving around ont eh battle feild with a 400 foot high steel pipe sticking up makes u an easy target.. and since i wont be using the "underwater" feature in y2k3.. id just like to hide this selection via config in hiddenselections... so whats the name of it?

[raedor 8]

thanks to orcs for using my script ideas. that shows me that they are not too bad

[Heatseeker 0]

I'm gonna try the new version later tonight, from v.10 i can only say the artwork is absolutely amazing and combat photographers are gonna go wild with it, unfortunetly other aspects of it didnt really match its outstanding artwork like the BIS turret sounds.

This tank reminds me alot of DKM's black eagle for that reason, feels like a much better looking BIS tank, anyway they do look fantastic and i hope they keep improving them, Timamas sure is a talented artist and these are the best looking tanks in OFP, unfortunetly looks arent everything .

[AiRBLaDE 0]

just wondering, why did the first version require no addons and now the next version requires icp_t72?

[Maxpain-ORCS- 1]

Quote[/b] ]just wondering, why did the first version require no addons and now the next version requires icp_t72?

Several textures, sounds and weapons and ammo classes are common now

[Gedis 0]

please felous, do something that you could feel that's T-90, not basic old shool abrams... put on it shtora scripts, something like that, at leas to protect it from incoming missiles...

[raedor 8]

please felous, do something that you could feel that's T-90, not basic old shool abrams... put on it shtora scripts, something like that, at leas to protect it from incoming missiles...

just wait some more days, you'll have it soon. and i'm sure orcs will inlcude my scripts again also on their tanks

[Maxpain-ORCS- 1]

Quote[/b] ]please felous, do something that you could feel that's T-90, not basic old shool abrams... put on it shtora scripts, something like that, at leas to protect it from incoming missiles...

Shtora scripts will be included in next version.

Quote[/b] ]just wait some more days, you'll have it soon. and i'm sure orcs will inlcude my scripts again also on their tanks

Include your scripts? I wrote all scripts myself, just using the idea of locking cargo with logics. Or maybe this idea is patented?

From Timamas:

"Thanks for the reviews, we'll continue our work and try to take into consideration all your wishes."

[raedor 8]

@ Aug. 05 2005,23:01)]

Quote[/b] ]just wait some more days, you'll have it soon. and i'm sure orcs will inlcude my scripts again also on their tanks

Include your scripts? I wrote all scripts myself, just using the idea of locking cargo with logics. Or maybe this idea is patented?

no, it is not patented, but credits would've been nice. thanks for admitting it anyway.

i'll mention you in our t-80 pack readme, if we decide to take any of your ideas.

[Gedis 0]

great!!! now i'm interested as never about T-80/90 and Abrams...

searching info...

P.S. reador, in my collection i have not only T-80 from Udarnaja Sila, but also T-90, Snaiper MG (about Kord), Snaiper Artilery (about mobile artilery complex Bereg), Makarov Pistol (about PM(makarov's pistol) and other his amazing work), Light weight armor (about bmd, kevelars and etc.), Lasers (about combat lasers)

[OFPCAT 0]

Very very awesome tank packs! Russian tanks always are my favorite things. Now we have got RHS's T-64, 55 packs, ICP's T-72 pack and your nice T-80,90 pack. Oh, everything has been got....

[Pappy Boyington 0]

speaking of the snorkel...

what is the selection name for it? so i can hide it.

im trying to incorperate it into Y2K3... and i have the exact, unchanged, eventhandler's class.. i have everything in my config that u have in yours... but the snorkel is initialy "up" and driving around ont eh battle feild with a 400 foot high steel pipe sticking up makes u an easy target.. and since i wont be using the "underwater" feature in y2k3.. id just like to hide this selection via config in hiddenselections... so whats the name of it?

testing one too.. is this thing on?

anyone from orcs wanna help me out here?