Climate Change

[walker 0]

Hi all

Now that that Kyoto treaty has been ratified all countries should be atempting to reduce carbon emmisions.

If you do not belive what the scientists tell you perhaps the pictures with change your mind.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2....tm

Kind Regards Walker

[theavonlady 2]

I'm going outside to put on my car engine and keep it idling for a few hours.

We've always joked about having a beach in Jerusalem but now it's looking like there's a real potential.

[Acecombat 0]

That was pretty low , they used a tsunami pic to show the rise in oceans level which is wrong that wont happen with such quickness , sea levels rise will be slow by global warming not this immediate.

However i agree the climate IS changing , ive noticed the weather being awkward here all year round , some weather patterns are slowly changing.

[Tovarish 0]

That was pretty low , they used a tsunami pic to show the rise in oceans level which is wrong that wont happen with such quickness , sea levels rise will be slow by global warming not this immediate.

Are you calling the 4th picture a tsunami pic?!

If so, then wow, I've experienced tsunamis countless times in Cuba and have always survived them

[Donnervogel 0]

That was pretty low , they used a tsunami pic to show the rise in oceans level which is wrong that wont happen with such quickness , sea levels rise will be slow by global warming not this immediate.

you should read the caption on the side for that picture:

Quote[/b] ]Vanishing islands

Other parts of the world could face even more drastic change.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a consortium of several thousand independent scientists, predicts that sea levels could rise by between 9 and 88cm in the next century.

This would threaten low-lying islands such as Tuvalu in the Pacific. These images, taken on the same day this year, show the effects of a higher than usual tide.

Image: Gary Braasch ©

[theavonlady 2]

experienced tsunamis countless times in Cuba and have always survived them

Cuban tsunami's will soon be a thing of the past with Castro's recent emissions reduction legislation.

But then again, Cuba's already managed to create a new hole in the ozone layer.

[Colossus 2]

Long time since the prof, but nobody seams to care.

Kyoto agreement has not much of a effect yet.

I have heard that 3% of the global warming is coused by smokers,

I still have douts about that.

[Blake 0]

Yeah and 0.5% of it is caused by farting and of that 0.1% are American farts.

Seriously, it's hard to dispute those photos. Change has really come so rapidly that it probably can't be just normal world warm era/cold era changing.

[theavonlady 2]

Change has really come so rapidly that it probably can't be just normal world warm era/cold era changing.

Has anyone googled for scientific studies confirming this? I.e., that such climate changes have never occurred in the past within a similar amount of time?

[Donnervogel 0]

Rapid clima changes are not only normal in the history of the earth, they are also quite often (relatively to the age of the planet). But there is one fact that is concerning about our current clima change. Never have the global temperatures been so warm as in the last years. The global average temperatures are higher than ever and still rising rapidly.

I don't have a internet source on that but I read it last week in a swiss newspaper.

But I found a nice IPCC graphic for this: Global temperature change, 1861-2000 and 1000-2000

[walker 0]

Hi avon

Actualy most climate scientists 99% agree that our current rate of climate change is far in excess of past changes and directly follows carbon emmisions for the period.

Donnervogel's excelent graph shows this.

http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/2001syr/large/05.16.jpg

The 1% who disagree are parts of the lunatic fringe and or funded by oil companies.

You do not get a world wide treaty ratified if most scientists do not agree.

Kind Regards Walker

Hi Acecombat

Tuvalu is in the middle of the Pacific not the Indian Ocean and was about as near to the Tsunami as Brighton beach on the South East coast of England, I did not hear about any charities raising money for families of pensioners who had their beach hut swept away did you?

Kind Regards Walker

Hi all

Dear Old Wiki is an ideal source for discusing this most important subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Their graphs make aparent this is no joking matter.

Quote[/b] ]The current scientific consensus is that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities (see Attribution of recent climate change) and the extent of this consensus is discussed at scientific opinion on climate change.

ibid

Kind Regards Walker

Hi all

For a pointer to current scientific opinion wiki once more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Kind Regards Walker

[bonko the sane 2]

unfortunately even if all world nations ractified the kyoto treaty it IS too late to reverse the global warming, lets get our progeny used to it, hopefuly they will mutate to adapt to the new climatic conditions

but seriously: i cant remember the last time it rained in portugal (here where i live) , probably last winter, the water reservoirs are at 10% of capacity , when normaly they are full at this time of the year, and the usual green pastures are dry as in summer.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Continuing the personal experience

Here we are in February in Northern England people are wearing T shirts and having evening barbecues.

I can not remember the last time I saw serious snow in my home town. When I was a kid we used to have snow ball fights and make snow men that would be in the school playground for months.

The summers are wetter we seem to have a monsoon climate from about the end of May through to August

Kind Regards Walker

[bn880 5]

Yes I agree with Ian, this is a very serious issue.

The thing most people do not realize is the problems we are going to experience are going to hit us on an exponential level. Specifically due to the nature of how ice thaws. From say -40 to 0 degrees celsius there are massive differences in energy stored in water, however after the -0 mark is exceeded you have a lot of expansion and a lot of ... well... water. Once some major masses reach that 0 mark and start to progress, there is going to be much quicker trouble than most would like.

Not to mention the loss of habitat in the N/S poles and various mountains.

[Akira 0]

Yesterday here in Austin, TX it was 80 degrees F.

Same day last year we had snow

[bn880 5]

Yes it seems like the waters are not regulating the weather like htey used to. A major issue with weather is the temperature of the waters/oceans and they generate a lot of what we know as weather systems...

[SpongeBob 0]

I love these warm winters, I'm saving a bundle on heating my house. tho it would suck it you're living in an igloo, but i'm not so..... Bring it on!  

[bn880 5]

Just wait until hot/humid summers... a bit of cold you can take, but a bit of heat you can't, a few degrees over 30 and you're really f'cked.

[Gordy 0]

It's all bullshit.

About twenty years ago, there was 20 degrees celsius in Poland during february (like in summer).

What we may experiencing is just some temperature flactuations that are normal within few thousand years. Change in climate is considered significant if occured in steady pace within +50 000 years. Also photos can be taken out of context. There could be different conditions few weeks later.

How long is human race present as species on earth? 50 000 years? How long is human as "industrial destuctive power"? 200 years? This may well be an effect of Sun getting older and brighter. OR earths orbit changes and other shit.

And what do you intend to do? Buy Toyota Prius? It uses 6.5 liter gasoline p/100 km. You find better Diesel engines there which are not "PRO ENVIRONMENT".

Use natural resources?

Water maybe? = disturbance in natural area water management and its impact on surrounding life (birds, animals).

Wind?= impact on bird migration routes + magnetic field generation.

maybe sth like "heat tube"? = sorry only for tropical countries with steady high temperatures.

Or better - stop using air conditioning. You will save ozon in the air.... and kill few thousand French old people of heat exhaustion (remember?).

It is a very well know that with higher developement come new problems and changes. They can sign a billion treaties and will not bring the environment back to the middle ages. And what would you do without electricity, heat, clothes, food, vehicles, jobs, current water? It all is part of the pollution process that we cannot stop.

Can you explain African people "Hey, we cannot give you modern techologies and industry because you will loose your beautifull beaches and there might be snow once in 20 years. Die in peace in poverty."

There are more important things than 0.2 degress celcius change within a 1000 years. How about people killing each other or people starving to death in thousands every day. How about the fact that there are cures for almost every deadly disease in the world and all the patents are kept by Major Farm. Companies in order to make profit in keeping people sick.

Discussion is pointless. and waste of keyboard. It all doesn't matter cause we have self destructive instincts written in our natures.

PEACE

[bn880 5]

Yes you are right, science and in depth analysis is bullshit... Wake up and smell the monoxide.

" It all is part of the pollution process that we cannot stop."

Why the hell not? #1 stop driving FU Vehicles, #2 insulate your homes for winter. #3 use efficient air conditionning. #4 put back the controls on coal/oil power plants #5 limit horespower in cars etc. etc.

We CAN DO EVERYTHING about pollution, every single thing can be done.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Also photos can be taken out of context. There could be different conditions few weeks later.

Yep those glaciers will be back in no time.

[Gordy 0]

Yes you are right, science and in depth analysis is bullshit...    Wake up and smell the monoxide.

Yes it is.

There are as many theories as scientists with very their "in-depth scientific evidence".

What we have is a beauty contest for unappreciated so-called scientist. As I said you cannot take weather charts from half a century and today and say it's warmer. And remember long before humans there were climate changes on earth. Who did it? Dinasaures? Did they eat too many vedgies?

[bn880 5]

I added a small tidbit to post above...

[Donnervogel 0]

What we may experiencing is just some temperature flactuations that are normal within few thousand years. Change in climate is considered significant if occured in steady pace within +50 000 years.

It is true. those fluctuations are considered "normal". But as I said. what is normal is that the average temperatures worldwide are on the highest level ever and still rising rapidly. While a large part of that might or might not be natural some part of it is certainly man made. You can't expect us to blow greenhouse gases into the athmosphere in such an extend and not having any influence on the climate. It is clear that our action change the climate or boost natural change of climate.

And recent signals are alarming. Natural or not. We will get into trouble with the weather and climate "fluctuation". We will experience stronger storms causing dammage to houses. We will experience more hurrcanes and cyclones. We will experience more floods and landslides. We will have rising ocean levels. All that means the planet will change and it will not be more friendly to us. We might disrupt major ocean currents and the effects of that are hardly imagineable. The climate is very sensitive and we should do our best to not make things even worse.

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Quote[/b] ]And remember long before humans there were climate changes on earth. Who did it?

CO2 did it for one. Volcanos for example. They did blow massive amouts of CO2 in the athmosphere. Why should CO2 blown into the athmosphere by human beings do anything else?

[mattxr 9]

Quote[/b] ]Also photos can be taken out of context. There could be different conditions few weeks later.

Yep those glaciers will be back in no time.

after the next iceage which will wipe us out.. well everyone in the northen hemisphere.. why u think they made the movie 'the day after tomorrow' to show people what will happen... maybe not exactly like that but...

before the last ice age the uk was suppost to be a tropical island

And if the gulf stream warms up then theres no heat circulating which will be devistating for uk/eurpope i think..

and now i dont no what im talking about i need another drink..

also wonder why USA never joined the treaty.. i would say something but i better not