M925 5t Truck Pack v1.0

[Pappy Boyington 0]

I don't understand.

This addon uses other people's work. Is that with their approval or not?

Modders "Dont Ask Dont Tell" Policy  

from what im getting he didnt ask... and didnt tell anyone who made what (Credits).

assuming i needed these for a mission or even just to use... i would download it and commend you on a terrific addon, combining all 3 into one pack for easy use.

but i dont need, it, didnt download it, so ill just pretend that i did and tell you, that you did a fantastic job!  

to be honest... the moment people find out he didnt ask thier gonna delete the addon and hiss at the pictures. but if i needed it, i would download it, becuz i dont really give a rats ass how it was made/create, i only care about the finished product.  if he ate kittens with ketchup and mustard while making the pack... i dont care. i just care about what the finished product is, and i wish alot more people would wise up and do the same rather then hiss and boo because someone doesnt feel like playing email tag with someone for 8 and a half months

PS: thats just my $0.25 on the issue

[Kuba 0]

... after converting some of the textures from that .jpg format to the OFP friendly .paa/.pac and after using the texture swap utility to assign them instead of those .jpg that are used.

Yea, MP, why you use jpg format? Its VERRY laggy.... Convert to them paa/pac and all will be well

[Taconic 0]

But if no reply is given either way by the original author after several attempts at contact, I feel release with credits is acceptable. But credit must be given. Just my $0.02

BTW nice pack.

Cap.

To me, that's a gray area. I wouldn't fault somebody for doing that, but I still wouldn't feel entirely comfortable doing it myself.

At the very least a strong effort should be made.

i wish alot more people would wise up and do the same

Respecting other peoples' hard work hardly says anything about a lack of "wisdom." There's absolutely nothing wrong with feeling that way, and I think that you're way off base for criticising it.

[Pappy Boyington 0]

i wish alot more people would wise up and do the same

Respecting other peoples' hard work hardly says anything about a lack of "wisdom." There's absolutely nothing wrong with feeling that way, and I think that you're way off base for criticising it.

well thats only due to your personal, im guessing religously based guilt (catholic?), therefore your opinion in the matter is biased.

granted i understand where your coming from, its just that i honestly dont feel that strongly about a digitaly created item as being the soul sacrifice that you make it out to be. short of a copyright or trademark, its freeware.

and i know i'll get alot of flames for that, but i am a modder, and ive worked hard on items such as Y2K3, and scripts like the CD player, and textures like the USCG cutter, but hell if anyone here feels that they can use them to their advantage to help create a simaler addon, then please by all means do whatever the hell you want.

i gave it to the public for the public to use as they damn well please. once i click the "post reply" button on the topic that says "here is my addon" i have officaly signed over everything to the user. unless stated otherwise via readme or forum reply, then when you say "here's my addon/mod" your also saying "do with as you wish", at least thats how i see it and have always seen it, and even when i was a user i said "when i become a modder i am NOT gonna be all uptight about the whole "you may look at the addon but do not touch it or you will burn in the flames of hell!" additude"  and thats what ive done, and i preach this same methodolgy of modding to future upcomming modders too.

Edit: Graphics (logos, screenshots, and other pictures) are the soul sacrifice of the artist therefore SHOULD be asked permission to use; also on the note of permission i employ a 48 hour rule. 48 hours to reply to my inital contact before credit and go applys. inital contact means email, pm, & messenger, if all 3 are ignored on the 49th hour, then credit and go. (you can use your own judgment on time allowance)

people do not like the whole "i am the mod-god and thou shalt not touch my addon". i dont care if your BAS or lil jimmy robertson who just figured out what O2 does. when you adopt the "my shit is better then anyone elses and if you try to match me i will have you killed" additude will not cut it in the gaming world nor in real life. now a much more subtle approch would be along the lines of "look i would apprecate if you ask me to use my work to make your addon"

but honestly, i totaly support the use of others work AS LONG AS YOU GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.

because when you are forced to start from scratch... you have 13 differnt looking vehicles that are all the same. for instance look @ CJS's hueys... now look at the SEB nam hueys... same helo.. TOTALY differnt. now SEB has an incredible UH1 model, making a new one from scratch now throws off the whole game. now, look at SEB's UH1, and look @ Prep H' UH1N. an edited model, but still it looks like a true family member of the UH1 family. in the OFP world it looks like as the years passed in OFP time they upgraded the UH1 to that. rather then 4 simaler helos looking entirely differnt.

now granted if you are confident that you can create an addon with a much much much better model then that used, then alright, recreate the standard.

PS:

-my comments were not intended as a flame toward you so put away the flame thrower

-my comment about your guilt being religously based may seem offensive, but being that i went to a catholic school for 4 years (nazi prison camp with a lunch room) i know of how strict catholisum in the home can really highlight emotions such as guilt and biast judgment.

-my comments about the CJS SEB Prep H hueys werent ment to say one is better then the other, just pointing out how choosing to make your own vs using what's readily available to you offsets the uniform look of things

ok im goin to bed, i should be there already cuz i have to work tomorrow, but seeming how i always have to reply to sensitive matters such as these, with my opinions i was prevented in doing so  

ok goodnight

[Taconic 0]

well thats only due to your personal, im guessing religously based guilt (catholic?), therefore your opinion in the matter is biased.

...where in the hell did that come from?

Let me get this straight: You have surmised my supposed religion (not to mention that I suffer from extreme guilt) simply because I feel strongly about respecting peoples' work.

In that case, I have surmised that you don't like gold fish or kittens because you have used the color blue in your signature.

I am agnostic, for the record. I'm not really sure what my religious preferences have to do with Operation Flashpoint addons, but there you go.

Quote[/b] ]at least thats how i see it and have always seen it, and even when i was a user i said "when i become a modder i am NOT gonna be all uptight about the whole "you may look at the addon but do not touch it or you will burn in the flames of hell!" additude" and thats what ive done, and i preach this same methodolgy of modding to future upcomming modders too.

Not two days ago you told thunderbird84 that you would not allow him to use your handgun optics...

Quote[/b] ]Edit: Graphics (logos, screenshots, and other pictures) are the soul sacrifice of the artist therefore SHOULD be asked permission to use;

But not models or textures?

You said before that you don't seem to feel that people put a lot of themselves into your work. Modeling and texturing take a hell of a lot of time and effort (certainly more than creating a logo or screenshot.) The last serious texture work that I did took me well over 20 hours. If somebody decided to take it and lay claim to it after I had put in all of that effort, I would be pissed and I would have every right to be.

If, on the other hand, somebody came to me and asked me if they could use it as a template and would credit me, that would be a different story.

Quote[/b] ]people do not like the whole "i am the mod-god and thou shalt not touch my addon". i dont care if your BAS or lil jimmy robertson who just figured out what O2 does.

Very, very few people in this community adopt that attitude.

But if they do, you know what? It is their prerogative to deny you permission to use their work. You did not slave away on something for hours, they did. If you want to ignore their wishes, that is your choice, but you deserve any sort of criticism that you get.

I have dealt with a large number of modders, scripters, modelers, and texturers over the past year, and every single person that I have talked to with the exception of two mod teams have been more than willing to share with me. Going behind peoples' back only undermines good faith like that, and that will only hurt the community in the long run.

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because when you are forced to start from scratch... you have 13 differnt looking vehicles that are all the same. for instance look @ CJS's hueys... now look at the SEB nam hueys... same helo.. TOTALY differnt. now SEB has an incredible UH1 model, making a new one from scratch now throws off the whole game. now, look at SEB's UH1, and look @ Prep H' UH1N. an edited model, but still it looks like a true family member of the UH1 family. in the OFP world it looks like as the years passed in OFP time they upgraded the UH1 to that. rather then 4 simaler helos looking entirely differnt.

I'm not against that at all. In fact, I think that it's a good thing. If something has already been done right, there's really no need to do it all over again if you can be doing something else.

However, I am against borrowing somebody else's model in that fashion without their explicit permission.

@Mods: Sorry for taking this OT, but... "Catholic guilt"? Good grief.

[theavonlady 2]

@Mods: Sorry for taking this OT, but... "Catholic guilt"? Good grief.

Hah! Pappy couldn't pin that one on me!

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

This is going way off-topic although there are good point made. There is a serious question that needs to be answered by the maker of this addon;

-Did you or did you not ask permission to use Marfy's textures?

Using the work from Lee is perhaps based on a mistake that it was Marfy's work, but credit should be given to him also.

[ag_smith 0]

JPG textures? Arghhh, no!

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

Don't worry. I'm sure that will be fixed. But right now it indeed the case. Horrible.

[SM_Azazel 0]

@Mods: Sorry for taking this OT, but... "Catholic guilt"? Good grief.

Hah! Pappy couldn't pin that one on me!

what aboot jewish guilt?

that is pretty bad.

so what si this add-on just an fixed up texture reapplied or what?

[theavonlady 2]

@Mods: Sorry for taking this OT, but... "Catholic guilt"? Good grief.

Hah! Pappy couldn't pin that one on me!

what aboot jewish guilt?

that is pretty bad.

That has to do with overeating and not listening to your mother. Neither apply here.

[king homer 1]

JPG textures? Arghhh, no!

What's the problem with JayPeg textures?

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

King homer, someone like you should not have to ask this question and since there were a lot of debates about this in the past, I'm not even gonna answer it. Just do a search for it and you will find out why jpeg textures are barely used and should not be used on any addon.

[sanctuary 19]

there are problem with jpg textures in OFP, when OFP find a jpg texture it decompresses it and you have end with a really big file to manage for your graphic card memory.

this was explained a lot better by one of the OFP dev (i think it was Suma), i remember it was in a thread showing a converted M60 from SOF2 , everyone was finding the textures awesome, then Suma appeared and told us the unfortunate story about .jpg files.

It was the reason Satchel retextured Ah-64 (now that is old) has never been released, due to the heavy lag it introduced by the jpg usage. (very unfortunate at this old time Satchel didn't knew about converting to .paa/.pac, as the AH-64 was really awesome even by today "standards")

[miles teg 1]

@Mods: Sorry for taking this OT, but... "Catholic guilt"? Good grief.

Hah! Pappy couldn't pin that one on me!

what aboot jewish guilt?

that is pretty bad.

so what si this add-on just an fixed up texture reapplied or what?

LOL. Jewish guilt, correct me if I am wrong, is what Jewish Mothers are famous for heaping upon their children? No? LOL.

So Avon Lady is the guilt maker! LOL.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[sanctuary 19]

About this .jpg textures , i converted the 6 .jpg textures for the woodland version of the trucks into .paa (with textview, so i imagine with PAA tool the quality can be improved) , then using the P3D Texture Swap Utility v1.0.2 , here is the result.

Do you really notice a big difference of quality with the previous .jpg textures by looking this screenshot of the .paa conversion ?

[Edge 2]

@Sanctuary: Good comment. You forgot to mention that there's no need to covert anything since the original Marfy's textures are already in suitable format. I assume transition from PAA/PAC to JPEG caused another loss of quality (not counting in initial PSD->TGA->PAA/PAC coversion made by Marfy).

BTW it seems we are ready for a "Comprehensive US Army Addon Pack" with the addons including these trucks, Hyakushiki's infantry, Combat! APCs and humvees...

[sanctuary 19]

@Sanctuary: Good comment. You forgot to mention that there's no need to covert anything since the original Marfy's textures are already in suitable format. I assume transition from PAA/PAC to JPEG caused another loss of quality (not counting in initial PSD->TGA->PAA/PAC coversion made by Marfy).

I don't understand,

In the addon pack, there are 6 .jpg textures , and it has been said it was Marfy's textures.

So if those 6 Marfy textures were already in .paa/.pac before making it to this pack , why someone would have converted Marfy's textures from Marfy original .paa to .jpg ?

That would have been just crazy.

[-IEF- Mp 0]

Updated to version 1.1

All jpg texture converted to PAA ofp format

Sorry Lee H. Oswald.. your name is now included in the readme.. thx you and sorry

[sanctuary 19]

good job

[Kuba 0]

MP, can you put your truck's in new category(ies) in editor?

For example not

"West\cars",

but

"West\US Trucks - Woodland"

"West\US Trucks - Desert"

"West\US Trucks - Arctic"

[Pappy Boyington 0]

well thats only due to your personal, im guessing religously based guilt (catholic?), therefore your opinion in the matter is biased.

...where in the hell did that come from?

*See #1*

Quote[/b] ]at least thats how i see it and have always seen it, and even when i was a user i said "when i become a modder i am NOT gonna be all uptight about the whole "you may look at the addon but do not touch it or you will burn in the flames of hell!" additude"  and thats what ive done, and i preach this same methodolgy of modding to future upcomming modders too.

Not two days ago you told thunderbird84 that you would not allow him to use your handgun optics...

*See #2*

Quote[/b] ]Edit: Graphics (logos, screenshots, and other pictures) are the soul sacrifice of the artist therefore SHOULD be asked permission to use;

But not models or textures?

You said before that you don't seem to feel that people put a lot of themselves into your work. Modeling and texturing take a hell of a lot of time and effort (certainly more than creating a logo or screenshot.) The last serious texture work that I did took me well over 20 hours. If somebody decided to take it and lay claim to it after I had put in all of that effort, I would be pissed and I would have every right to be.

*See #3*

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because when you are forced to start from scratch... you have 13 differnt looking vehicles that are all the same. for instance look @ CJS's hueys... now look at the SEB nam hueys... same helo.. TOTALY differnt. now SEB has an incredible UH1 model, making a new one from scratch now throws off the whole game. now, look at SEB's UH1, and look @ Prep H' UH1N. an edited model, but still it looks like a true family member of the UH1 family. in the OFP world it looks like as the years passed in OFP time they upgraded the UH1 to that. rather then 4 simaler helos looking entirely differnt.

I'm not against that at all. In fact, I think that it's a good thing. If something has already been done right, there's really no need to do it all over again if you can be doing something else.

*see #4*

#1: becuase the "guilt" you contstantly remind people that you suffer from seems religously based, i just find it hard to belive ANYONE not influnced from fear could have that much guilt about something so pointless. and since the catholic religion is the only one that enforces its followers to feel guilty about anything and everything they do, i just went ahead and figured thats why you feel so guilty about making something and then tripping all overyourself tryint to applogise and beg and plead for forgivness for using someones addon in your EECP.

#2: first off they arent mine. Benus made some and aquired the rest from other people exclusivly for Y2K3 only. and second off i said that "once released to public, unless otherwise stated in the readme or forum post that you sign over everything to the users" and in this case, i stated in a forum post that i do not wish for this particualr person to use the pistol sights.

#3: oh hell yea, id be pissed off too if someone took our textures from the USCG addons and said "i did this! this is my work!!!!" but the point there was, for instance i used the BAS soar textures and colorized them to blue and orange. aquiring permission from them only because someone, like you, bitched up a storm about "omg you h4x0r!!" about it. but from the first screenshot of the new textures to the final release i stated "hey these textures are from the BAS SOAR pilots, i colored them to blue for USCG usage" i never once claimed them to be entirely my work, i credited BAS for thier work on it. if someone made a new UH1N and used the textures from prep h, assuming the model was much much more detailed (althou they did a fantastic job on thiers) then if they said "textures from prep h mod" i dont see a problem.

#4: its nice to see we agree on something

[lee_h._oswald 0]

Mp @ Jan. 13 2005,17:40)]Updated to version 1.1

All jpg texture converted to PAA ofp format

Sorry Lee H. Oswald.. your name is now included in the readme.. thx you and sorry

Thank you.

Good work with the pack, I really like the winter camo.

MfG Lee

[mr reality 0]

I can't read the config and i would like to use HYKs men as the drivers. Is there any way i can disipher the config please help...

[lee_h._oswald 0]

I can't read the config and i would like to use HYKs men as the drivers. Is there any way i can disipher the config   please help...

Hmm, maybe I should release my trucks with HYK crew...

MfG Lee