USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[Akira 0]

Tell me a country in Europe with a working market economy combined with a strong social system!

From my own experience in Germany I can tell you this system is NOT working.

The stronger the social aspect is, the weaker the economy will be.

30 years ago there have not been that much social aspects is the system and it worked great. Today we are happy if our economy would grow at least 0.5 percent a year. Our government keeps telling us, it will, but they have been doing this for years.

But in the last 12 years more and more social aspects have been added and more and more people got unemployed, the economy is much weaker than it was and the social system is about to crash because of the weak economy.

Capitalism doesnot work if it is combined to a social agenda, it never did.

And a social agenda alone is not possible either. Look at the GDR

Look at France.

It is not working much better there.

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You asked for it. Now you are going to get Economist Denoir.

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You seem to be bad informed about Germany in 1939

According to Hilter, the worst thing was not communism or something like that.

The thing to destroy and the ones to kill were those who had a different race than the "good" German (Aryan).

Because of that he went after the Jews and because of that he hated (and a lot of Germans did too, some still do today) the Russians.

Of course, he hated the communism too and he thought it would be a great danger and therefore communism was forbidden.

You seem to be mis-informed, as he did not consider the Jew "the worst thing." For sure he hated them, and made a social policy of Jewish persecution, but if you read beyond your standard 10th grade "Hitler Hated Jews" textbook you would know Hitler always considered communism a great threat, even before his Jewish hatred. He never trusted them, and always hated them from as far back as WWI (not true of Jews).

And the reference to 1939 was the fact Hitler outlawed and banned all other parties...just like you want to do

Quote[/b] ]Ah, the "If someone doesn't agree with leftist views" call him a Nazi argument.

No. It has to do what you have written here. Quit trying to hide behind the "Liberal Conspiracy".

Quote[/b] ]I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A. Can you say New McCarthyism. If only the Republicans could understand that but they wont.

How completely un-American. It's possible the Republicans will go for that because the lessons of paranoia and fear that were learned in the 1950s have been erased thanks to Bush and Cheney. Enjoy your new time of jumping at your own shadow and snitching your neighbor out.

[denoir 0]

You asked for it. Now you are going to get Economist Denoir.

Nah, nothing beyond what I've written. This thread is supposed to be about US politics, so I'll stick to it.

Just as you have your left wingers, we have our right wingers. Diversity and difference of opinion is good.

For an American example of how a social agenda does not have to hurt the economy too much, take look at the achievements of the Clinton administration.

Each system has its strenghts and its weaknesses. Pure raw socialsm doesn't work economically. Pure raw capitalism is inhumane. The overall objective for a civilization has to be increasing the quality of life for the people. This goes beyond just money, but it requires it. The optimum is a healthy economic policy and a strong social agenda.

[ericz 0]

Ezei

Quote[/b] ]You're welcome.

Its in very poor taste to take credit for something you had no part in.  

Quote[/b] ]I wouldn't call it old-fashioned. I'd call it outdated.

The late 19th early 20th century our system worked quite well too. And then we had two world wars . . .

I think the sense of history is, to learn from it.

No, still very relevant, particularly now in the U.S.  The sense of history is being rewritten and sanitized by leftists, hardly something would give me any kind of sense..commissar

DenoirQuote  

Ah, the "If someone doesn't agree with leftist views" call him a Nazi argument.  

No it's the "If somebody wants to ban certain political parties and ban free speech, call him a Nazi" argument.

Yes, if they advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government.  Leftists are particularly dangerous because they subvert before they revolt.

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Another example I can give you is of my own country, Sweden. We've had socialist governments (social democrat) for nearly 70 years, with only a few interruptions of more right-wing parties being in power. We're far more left than average in Europe (too left for my opinion, but that's a different story). It's not exactly like we're in dire straits. It's not exaclty like we are going under. On the contrary - we have been doing just fine. Sweden for instance usually tops lists when it comes to quality of life.

Good for you, unfortunately your country is nothing like our country and to think that it would work here would ignore many things.

Quote[/b] ]Why would anyone want a new set of McCarthy trials?  It was paranoid bullshit that just ruined peoples lives for no reason.

Beg to differ, the only problem is that it didn't go on longer.  Look at the state of affairs in the U.S. now, where half of the country wants to apologize for being Americans.  Talk about outdated, the other day I heard the (old) new leftists cries at a war protest rally "American Imperialists, Facsists, along with charges of "oligarchy", 'patriarchal standards etc. ad naseum.    Kind of reminded me of the protests in third world latin American countries that went on in the sixties and still today, you know "imperialist yankees, go home".  That's amusing.

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 Batista good, Castro bad being a perfect example.

The regiemes put in place in Nicaragua, Chile and Argentina where actually worse than the ones they replaced

Batista bad, but better than Castro. Please enlighten me, which ones are you referring to.  There are quite a few.

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Ezei

Quote[/b] ]You're welcome.

Its in very poor taste to take credit for something you had no part in.  

Learn your history. Dresden was bombed at night as well. The USAF did not bomb at night, it was the RAF.

Quote[/b] ]Beg to differ, the only problem is that it didn't go on longer.  Look at the state of affairs in the U.S. now, where half of the country wants to apologize for being Americans.

They are apologising for the other half of the country voting in a fundamentalist, imperialistic madman. They are more patriotic Americans than you are because they are critical of the government - they dont accept any olde bullshit coming out of Washington.

Quote[/b] ]Kind of reminded me of the protests in third world latin American countries that went on in the sixties and still today, you know "imperialist yankees, go home".  

Ok, thats it, you are just winding us up, aren't you?

[ericz 0]

AKIRA

Quote[/b] ]How completely un-American. It's possible the Republicans will go for that because the lessons of paranoia and fear that were learned in the 1950s have been erased thanks to Bush and Cheney. Enjoy your new time of jumping at your own shadow and snitching your neighbor out.

Thats a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It's un-American in the extreme to subvert or work towards destroying the American way of life (capitalism, individualism). Being a leftist you would only consider that line of thought reactionary.

The fear and paranoia was mostly in the minds of leftists were it should be if they live in the U.S.

But in any event, we live in a society which is in fear now of saying the wrong thing, writing the wrong thing. The Liberal thought police prowls our system applying santions and labels such as bigot, rascist, facsist, intolerant, culturaly insensitive, gun nut, imperialist and religious fanatic any and all who dont tow the Politically correct line.

I think I'll take my chances with the bible thumpers, thank you very much.

[ericz 0]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (ericz @ Nov. 09 2004,23:21)

EzeiQuote

You're welcome.

Its in very poor taste to take credit for something you had no part in.

Learn your history. Dresden was bombed at night as well. The USAF did not bomb at night, it was the RAF.

Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, my comment was to address the issue of voting for Bush not the bombing of Dresden.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]The sense of history is being rewritten and sanitized by leftists, hardly something would give me any kind of sense..commissar

Please enlighten me where this is so?

And keep in mind that here in Texas the Right just managed to get evolution put in to textbooks as a science "theory," and health books will state diffinitvely that homosexuality is an "abnormal behavior," marriage is only between a man and a woman, and will only teach abstinance in sex education (where there IS sex education).

Quote[/b] ]Yes, if they advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government. Leftists are particularly dangerous because they subvert before they revolt.

Who is advocating the overthrow of the government? Paranoid much? Or just ill-informed?

Quote[/b] ]Beg to differ, the only problem is that it didn't go on longer. Look at the state of affairs in the U.S. now, where half of the country wants to apologize for being Americans. Talk about outdated, the other day I heard the (old) new leftists cries at a war protest rally "American Imperialists, Facsists, along with charges of "oligarchy", 'patriarchal standards etc. ad naseum. Kind of reminded me of the protests in third world latin American countries that went on in the sixties and still today, you know "imperialist yankees, go home". That's amusing.

Really? What you are basically advocating is violent anti-communist action. In case you didn't know, there is a little document in D.C. called "The Constitution Of The United States". You should reading it sometime, particularly the part called "Bill Of Rights." Has a quaint idea in there about Freedom Of Speech. What you are indeed advocating is directly against the Constitution and what the Founding Fathers fought for. You are a lousy American. I find that quite amusing.

And before you completely dismiss charges of Imperialism, you should do a little basic history reading. Start with the 1700-1800s and Europe's Imperialist history. Maybe then you can actually look around and see what is going on. But somehow I doubt it as you are blinded by your completely outdated and irrational fear of communists.

Communists?? You are so straight from the 80s.

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Quote[/b] ]Thats a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It's un-American in the extreme to subvert or work towards destroying the American way of life (capitalism, individualism). Being a leftist you would only consider that line of thought reactionary.

Please tell me where EXACTLY I am advocating the destruction of "the american way of life" (what ever that is suppose to represent)? Show it or apologize and shut the hell up.

Of course only being a right wing fanatic with your tin hat on, you see enemies everywhere. Got news for ya bub. This ain't Latin America.

Quote[/b] ]The fear and paranoia was mostly in the minds of leftists were it should be if they live in the U.S.

You need to learn history because you obviously know NOTHING. Paranioa was rampant in the country on every side, as people were using the McCarthy hearings to label enemies communist even if they weren't. Uncountable lives were destroyed because of that man, and it has been proven that most of the people dragged before the commission and called a communist were far from it.

[hardrock 1]

But in any event, we live in a society which is in fear now of saying the wrong thing, writing the wrong thing. The Liberal thought police prowls our system applying santions and labels such as bigot, rascist, facsist, intolerant, culturaly insensitive, gun nut, imperialist and religious fanatic any and all who dont tow the Politically correct line.

Ahem . . . now you're very paradox. You say "The Liberal thought police", remind you of a post of yours:

I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A.

And you say the liberals call you, the good ol' patriotic Americans, "rascist, facsist, intolerant, culturaly insensitive, gun nut, imperialist and religious fanatic" etc.

Poor you.

They just don't get it, most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left (radical feminists, radical gay lobby, PETA, eco-terrorists, socialists etc)

WTF??

[ericz 0]

Quote[/b] ]Please tell me where EXACTLY I am advocating the destruction of "the american way of life" (what ever that is suppose to represent)? Show it or apologize and shut the hell up.

Advancing socialism in the U.S. is advocating for the destruction of the American way of life. Perhaps not you, but other leftists if indeed you are a leftist, perhaps just another misguided American.

[ericz 0]

Just in.....

Leftwing nut takes woman hostage at gunpoint in front of the Mexican consulate in L.A. to protest Bush's re-election. Channel 9 local news. Los Angeles

Nope, no need for fear and paranoia....

[hardrock 1]

Advancing socialism in the U.S. is advocating for the destruction of the American way of life. Perhaps not you, but other leftists if indeed you are a leftist, perhaps just another misguided American.

He's right! The American way of life is going to be destroyed by socialism. No more wars against the evil, no more fighting for ground and family, no more brave men who gain their hard-earned money to buy medications for their children (damn they'll be free!! even for the blacks and immigrants!!). It's really going to be destroyed . . .

Your opinion of freedom of thought is also very interesting. Somebody who's of your opinion, is a brave substitute of the American way of life. And someone who's not, is rather a "leftist" (=terrorist, radical gay liberal or whatever, as you said before) or just "a misguided American" who's yet able to get back on the right way by the help of good patriots and the church (my interpretation). Reminds me of middleage in Europe

At least I understand now why Bush was re-elected (I thought it impossible before)

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Please tell me where EXACTLY I am advocating the destruction of "the american way of life" (what ever that is suppose to represent)? Show it or apologize and shut the hell up.

Advancing socialism in the U.S. is advocating for the destruction of the American way of life. Perhaps not you, but other leftists if indeed you are a leftist, perhaps just another misguided American.

Please tell me where EXACTLY I advocating socialism.

You obviously are just a deranged nut that hasn't a clue. Have fun in your world of fear and paranoia, you sad sad person.

[ericz 0]

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Quote (ericz @ Nov. 09 2004,23:32)

But in any event, we live in a society which is in fear now of saying the wrong thing, writing the wrong thing. The Liberal thought police prowls our system applying santions and labels such as bigot, rascist, facsist, intolerant, culturaly insensitive, gun nut, imperialist and religious fanatic any and all who dont tow the Politically correct line.

Ahem . . . now you're very paradox. You say "The Liberal thought police", remind you of a post of yours:

Quote (ericz @ Nov. 09 2004,20:50)

I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A.

No paradox, communist and socialist ideas are the foundation of the poltically correct movement.

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Quote (ericz @ Nov. 09 2004,19:12)

They just don't get it, most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left (radical feminists, radical gay lobby, PETA, eco-terrorists, socialists etc)

WTF??

Exactly WTF??? You are trying to say what exactly.

[ericz 0]

Quote[/b] ]You obviously are just a deranged nut that hasn't a clue. Have fun in your world of fear and paranoia, you sad sad person.

Kindly, drop the personal attacks. If you cant have a civil discussion, perhaps you need to take a break.

[billybob2002 0]

Ok, kiddes, lets stop the gangbang..

Anyway,

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....inet_dc

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Ashcroft, Evans Resign, White House Says

6 minutes ago Politics - Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) and Commerce Secretary Donald Evans resigned on Tuesday in a post-election shake-up of President Bush (news - web sites)'s Cabinet.

Ashcroft, a lightning rod of criticism by Democrats and civil liberties groups over the anti-terror policies implemented after Sept. 11, 2001, said in a handwritten resignation letter that "the demands of justice are both rewarding and depleting" and that the Justice Department (news - web sites) would be well served "by new leadership and fresh inspiration."

Evans, considered Bush's best friend, said "I have concluded with deep regret that it is time for me to return home."

"The president accepted their resignations," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Ashcroft and Evans began what is expected to be a fairly significant Cabinet reshuffle ahead of the start of Bush's second term on Jan. 20.

Health and Human Services (news - web sites) Secretary Tommy Thompson, who had earlier indicated he was planning on leaving after the first Bush term, said on Tuesday: "I'm waiting to talk to the president and I will let you know my decision very shortly."

[EiZei 0]

I really really really hope this has nothing to do with supreme court..

[ralphwiggum 6]

Just in.....

Leftwing nut takes woman hostage at gunpoint in front of the Mexican consulate in L.A. to protest Bush's re-election. Channel 9 local news. Los Angeles

Nope, no need for fear and paranoia....

you sure it was a leftwing nut?

if not, your comment only proves that rightwingers are paranoid, conclusion jumping simpletons.

[Colossus 2]

Most Americans don't understand that the struggle is not Secularist vs. Religionist, that is only one facet.  The real struggle is between the socialist left  and the capitalist right.

That's late 19th early 20th century thinking. Take a look at Europe - market economy (i.e capitalism) combined with a strong social agenda. Works very well.

<u>Tell me a country in Europe with a working market economy combined with a strong social system!

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From my own experience in Germany I can tell you this system is NOT working.

The stronger the social aspect is, the weaker the economy will be.

30 years ago there have not been that much social aspects is the system and it worked great. Today we are happy if our economy would grow at least 0.5 percent a year. Our government keeps telling us, it will, but they have been doing this for years.

But in the last 12 years more and more social aspects have been added and more and more people got unemployed, the economy is much weaker than it was and the social system is about to crash because of the weak economy.

Capitalism doesnot work if it is combined to a social agenda, it never did.

And a social agenda alone is not possible either. Look at the GDR

Look at France.

It is not working much better there.

Norway maybe

It's a smaller version to save space.

Quote[/b] ]Norwegian manufacturing has traditionally been

relatively raw-materials based. Natural conditions such

as access to hydro-electric power, abundant forest and

fisheries resources and petroleum deposits are

reflected in the country's industrial structure. Power-

intensive manufacturing sectors such as metals

production, industrial chemicals and wood processing

account for a significant share of Norway's export-

oriented industry. Shipbuilding and offshore platform

construction are other major sectors while other

engineering industries such as the manufacture of

electrical and electronic goods have taken on

increasing importance in recent years. Fish farming is a

relatively new export industry which has boomed during

the last 15-20 years.

Oil activities a major factor in Norway economy

Value added in Norway, measured as Gross Domestic

Product (GDP) has increased by 80-90 per cent

through the 80s and 90s, while the increase in the EU,

for example has been around 50 per cent and in the

USA about 70 per cent. The strong growth in Norway

must be viewed, among other factors, in connection

with the development of the oil industry after the initial

finds of oil on the Norwegian shelf at the end of the

1960s. From 1980 to 2000, oil production has

increased by over 300 per cent and Norway is now the

worldÄ…s second biggest exporter of oil. At the same time

the oil sectorÄ…s demand for goods and services from

the mainland economy has grown substantially.

Norway has nevertheless a diversified industrial

structure. More than half of the economy consists of

service sector industries, which include housing,

banking and insurance, transport and communications

and the public sector. Petroleum-linked activities ,

including crude oil and gas production, made up a good

23 per cent, while manufacturing accounted for about

slightly over 9 per cent of the GDP in 2000.

Norway's economy is open, with a per capita foreign

trade that is one of the highest in the world.

Approximately 77 per cent of Norwegian exports go to

EU countries, while a good 68 per cent of imports come

from these countries. Exports to the USA are on the

same level as those to Asia, but imports from Asia are

significantly higher than those from the USA. The

Nordic countries, Great Britain and Germany are

Norway's most important trading partners. Great Britain

and Germany are major markets for Norwegian oil and

gas. Sweden is the country that Norway imports most

from. Exports of goods and services accounted for 46

percent of the GDP in 2000, while imports ac-counted

31 per cent. Exports of oil and gas constituted 46 per

cent of total exports.

Economic recovery in the 1990s

At the start of the 1990s, the Norwegian economy

suffered a considerable business downturn.

Unemployment rose dramatically, housing prices

plummeted and a severe financial crisis was under

development. But the economic situation was reversed

quite early in the 1990s. and in 1993 the mainland

economy entered a long period of growth. Conditions

were right for a turn-around. Price and cost increases

had for several years been lower than those of

NorwayÄ…s trading partners, so the countryÄ…s costs

competitive strength, among other factors was greatly

improved.

When interest rate levels also dropped in 1993,

investments in both the mainland economy and exports

increased. From 1993 to 1998, the average growth in

the GDP for mainland Norway was 3 per cent,

unemployment was halved and labour force

participation reached its highest ever level.

High capacity utilisation

The growth rate in the Norwegian economy slackened

noticeably towards the end of 1998 and has now been

replaced by a period of more sluggish growth. On an

annual basis the GDP for mainland Norway rose by 1,8

per cent from 1999 to 2000, after an increase of 0,8 per

cent the previous year. The lower growth in the last two

years is largely attributable to a sharp drop in oil

investments following the peak year of 1998, while

household demand has upheld growth.

Towards the end of last year, however, growth in

private consumption diminished steeply . This can be

linked to the increased interest rate level throughout the

yea. There has been a markedly lower growth in the

export of traditional goods than in the mid 1990s,

despite strong growth in the international economy. As

a consequence Norwegian exporters lost market

shares last year, for the fourth consecutive year.

Employment has changed little the last two years. The

employment figures are low and stable and there is a

lack of labour in sectors such as service. Despite the

low rate of growth therefore, capacity utilisation in the

Norwegian economy is still high.

Cyclical variations in the Norwegian economy have

been stronger and more frequent during the last 20

years than they were up to 1980. Furthermore,

production swings have to a greater extent than before

resulted in major variations in both employment and

unemployment. The trend towards increased instability

leading to major swings in unemployment can be

observed in several other OECD countries.

The deregulation of the credit market in the first half of

the 1980s, combined with low real interest rates after

tax and a change in the behaviour of both loan

customers and credit institutions contributed strongly

towards boosting the economic upturn of the mid

1980s. The considerable debts accrued during this

period and over-investments in sectors such as

commercial premises lay the basis for the very sharp

drop which followed. In addition, the importance of

petroleum activities has increased sharply since their

start early in the 1970s. Developments in petroleum

investments have played a major role in fuelling

fluctuations in the mainland economy in the 1980s and

1990s.

Despite the pressure problems that gradually arose, the

economic recovery of the mid 1990s was decidedly

more balanced than that of the 1980s.

Firstly, private consumption increased largely in step

with income in the 1990s. Therefore, household saving

did not drop as it did in the mid 1980s.

Secondly, the export of traditional goods substantially

increased during the upswing in the 1990s, contributing

towards a major rise in corporate investments and

manufacturing employment. This gave rise to a more

parallel development between sectors exposed to

international competition and the remaining sectors of

the economy than during the economic upturn of the

1980s. Against this background, developments in the

private sector appear to be more robust and balanced

during the last upturn.

When the strong growth in production started in the

spring of 1993, there were considerable available

resources in the Norwegian economy. However, the

strong and protracted upturn led to the build-up of

considerable pressure in parts of the economy.

Although the pressure was not this time connected to

an unbalanced and loan-financed increase in private

consumption and investments, there were also

important likenesses between the upturns in 1980 and

1990. Developments in oil investments and relatively

low real after tax interest contributed in this case also

towards a vigorous growth in the Norwegian economy.

Oil investments increased by as much as 43 per cent

from 1995 to 1998. This provided powerful impulses for

the mainland economy in a situation where Norwegian

economy was already marked by high capacity

utilisation in a number of sectors. In addition, the drop

in real interest after tax up to 1997 played a part in

boosting growth in the economy.

Record in work force participation

Record-sized labour participation both historically and

internationally have made possible the vigorous growth

in the economy during the 1990s. In Norway

employment rose annually by about 1.2 per cent from

1993 to 2000. In the EU area unemployment remained

largely unchanged during this period, while in the USA

yearly growth was about the same as in Norway.

Compared with the EU average, Norway has a far

higher rate of employment in all age groups. Here one

must note that the number of part-time employed is

relatively high in Norway compared with many other

countries.

Low unemployment

Unemployment in Norway was substantially reduced in

the 1990s and is among the lowest in the OECD. On a

yearly basis it constituted 3.4 per cent of the work force

in 2000, up from 3.2 per cent in the preceding year,

according to figures from Statistics Norway. This

moderate rise must mainly be linked to an increased

number of lay -offs and dismissals in the sectors of

industry that supply the oil sector either directly or

indirectly. But the rise in industrial unemployment

appears to have stopped at the start of 2001. In the EU

as a whole, unemployment has remained at a high

level throughout the 1990s and in 2000 was three times

as high as in Norway. However, there are big

differences in the unemployment figures in the various

EU countries, In the USA unemployment has been has

been strongly reduced in the second half of the 1990s

and stands now at 4 per cent, the lowest level since

1970.

Higher wage and costs growth

At the end of the long period of growth imbalances

appeared in the Norwegian economy in the shape of

increased wage growth. In 1998 this was about twice

as much as the wage growth among our most

important trading partners. Wage growth has since

been gradually reduced but still exceeds that of the

countries we compete with. Inflation has also risen

somewhat during recent years and is now higher than it

is among our main trading partners. Last year,

consumer pricesrose by a good 3 per cent. Major

fluctuations in the price of electricity and petrol the last

two years have affected developments in consumer

prices. Dearer petrol and electrical current contributed

towards increased prices last year, while they can pull

the opposite way this year.

Interest rate increases in 2000

The exchange rate for the Norwegian krone has

remained relatively stable since the mid 1990s, with the

exception of periods with major fluctuations in the oil

price and turbulence on international currency markets.

The international financial crisis in 1998 led to a

doubling of the Norwegian money market rates in the

same year. The steep rise in interest rates alone led to

a tightening up of monetary policy. Through 1999

conditions in Norwegian and international economy

were favourable for a reduction in the interest rate

level, but this tendency was reversed last year. The

gap between Norwegian and European interest levels

widened some-what through 2000, but it is

considerably less than it was in 1998.

Source: Odin Archive

We have a working economy, low unemployment and a good

social system. So I will say it's working.

I think neither pro-capitalism and pro-communism works, something in the middle of it works.

[Pathy 0]

Just in.....

Leftwing nut takes woman hostage at gunpoint in front of the Mexican consulate in L.A. to protest Bush's re-election. Channel 9 local news. Los Angeles

Nope, no need for fear and paranoia....

Your contradicting yourself. One person does something stupid and in your paranoia you are saying that we need to be fearful and paranoid. ITS ONLY ONE PERSONS ACTIONS!

[Pathy 0]

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Quote (ericz @ Nov. 09 2004,19:12)

They just don't get it, most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left (radical feminists, radical gay lobby, PETA, eco-terrorists, socialists etc)

WTF??  

Exactly WTF??? You are trying to say what exactly.

Hes basically saying, on one hand your bashing people for stereotyping right wingers, and in your next breathe your making huge stereotypes of "lefties"

[sputnik monroe 102]

Personally I think you're all nuts. Every one is a left/right wing extremist in this country these days.   It's tweedle de and tweedle dum. Both sides are unacceptable.

    I don't want to live in Akira's nanny state,"every thing is our fault",socialist America and I sure as hell don't want to live in ericz's police state.  You both believe you're correct and in the end your both wrong, you're one and the same.

    God I just wish every one would just go away. 6 Billion people all incompatible with one another all crammed together in too small a space.  I just want some breathing room away from you all. There is no away from it all though, not a single place to go away from it all. 

    Life is a joke, and the joke is on you.

[Akira 0]

Personally I think you're all nuts. Every one is a left/right wing extremist in this country these days. It's tweedle de and tweedle dum. Both sides are unacceptable.

I don't want to live in Akira's nanny state,"every thing is our fault",socialist America and I sure as hell don't want to live in ericz's police state. You both believe you're correct and in the end your both wrong, you're one and the same.

God I just wish every one would just go away. 6 Billion people all incompatible with one another all crammed together in too small a space. I just want some breathing room away from you all. There is no away from it all though, not a single place to go away from it all.

Life is a joke, and the joke is on you.

Perhaps if some of those 6 Billion could read properly then there wouldn't be such a problem.

You have one day to find and post exactly where I say I want a "nany socialist" state, a state in which everything is our fault. I on the other hand will point to many places where I state that people need to take responsibilty.

If you don't find anything I will expect a full, public apology.

EDIT: I'm going to include ericz in this as well.

ericz you have one day to find where I advocate a socialist government. And in case you need help:

Quote[/b] ]so·cial·ism Audio pronunciation of "socialism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ssh-lzm)

n.

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

If not I expect either 1)for you to apologize or 2)for you to shut the hell up.

Your choice.

EDIT: Last edit. I'll make the first post...regarding Sputnik's assertion that i request a nany state:

Quote[/b] ]I'm sick of asshats trying to legislate responsibility and tell me what I can and cannot see.

Useless pieces of shit. Its bad enough they got the Corvette commercial taking off the air becuase the kid was "driving dangerously" despite the fact right at the beginning it says "This is a dream. Don't drive recklessly".

People are fucking idiots and I'm tired of the lot of them.

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[sputnik monroe 102]

Quote[/b] ]You have one day to find and post exactly where I say I want a "nany socialist" state, a state in which everything is our fault.

   Or what? You'll whine and post some epitaph filled gripe with smilies sprinkled liberaly through out? I'm quaking in my boots.

Quote[/b] ]If you don't find anything I will expect a full, public apology.

     You're free to expect what ever you want. For example you can expect to see pigs fly,(you can even expect them to fly in public if that suits your fancy) how ever that is a very absurd expectation.

   I hope it doesn't crush your feelings when I tell you that in the grand scheme of things your empty challenge is very low on my to do list. In the next 24 hours I have many important task to do after which I will have a bit of free time.I have a lot of things I plan on doing with that free time, none of which involve digging through your past post to find evidence that contradicts you.

Quote[/b] ]If not I expect either 1)for you to apologize or 2)for you to shut the hell up.

     As said earlier you can expect anything you want, we all have that right. Twenty four hours from now I expect I'll either 1. Be asleep or 2. Awake not digging through your past post. We'll just have to wait and see who's expectations become reality.

    Your nearly a laugh Akira.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Quote[/b] ]You have one day to find and post exactly where I say I want a "nany socialist" state, a state in which everything is our fault.

   Or what? You'll whine and post some epitaph filled gripe with smilies sprinkled liberaly through out? I'm quaking in my boots.

Quote[/b] ]If you don't find anything I will expect a full, public apology.

     You're free to expect what ever you want. For example you can expect to see pigs fly,(you can even expect them to fly in public if that suits your fancy) how ever that is a very absurd expectation.

   I hope it doesn't crush your feelings when I tell you that in the grand scheme of things your empty challenge is very low on my to do list. In the next 24 hours I have many important task to do after which I will have a bit of free time.I have a lot of things I plan on doing with that free time, none of which involve digging through your past post to find evidence that contradicts you.

Quote[/b] ]If not I expect either 1)for you to apologize or 2)for you to shut the hell up.

     As said earlier you can expect anything you want, we all have that right. Twenty four hours from now I expect I'll either 1. Be asleep or 2. Awake not digging through your past post. We'll just have to wait and see who's expectations become reality.

    Your nearly a laugh Akira.

You are cornered. It is a fair question to ask, where did Akira advocate a socialist state,? or even more precise, where did he say he would like the US be transformed into one?

I am somewhat very sensitive when it comes to the old game to polarise people.

In other terms 0.1 is not equal  1

and             -0.1 is not equal -1

got it?

or

is not equal to ... well you got the point

[Bernadotte 0]

I really really really hope this has nothing to do with supreme court..

The mere thought of Ashcroft possibly replacing Rehnquist has just cost me a good night's sleep.