USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]The losers say "sorry"

there's some hot chicks in there  

What losers... Baby need a hug..

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....offbeat

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Traumatized Kerry supporters in Florida seek therapy: report

24 minutes ago   U.S. National - AFP

MIAMI (AFP) - Shocked supporters of defeated US presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) are seeking help from psychologists, who refer to their condition as "post-election selection trauma," it was reported.

The Boca Raton News said Palm Beach, Florida trauma specialist Douglas Schooler alone has already treated 15 clients and friends with intense hypnotherapy since the Democratic candidate conceded on November 3.

"I had one friend tell me he's never been so depressed and angry in his life," Schooler said. "I observed patients threatening to leave the country or staring listlessly into space. They were emotionally paralyzed, shocked and devastated," he told the daily.

"We're calling it 'post-election selection trauma' and we're working to develop a counseling program for it," said Rob Gordon, the Boca Raton-based executive director of the American Health Association.

"It's like post-traumatic stress syndrome, but it's a short-term shock rather than a childhood trauma," he told the daily

Anyway, I heard on the news that the religious voter turnout was the same has the last election (% wise).

[iNeo 0]

The losers say "sorry"

there's some hot chicks in there

Hehe pretty cool site.

[Akira 0]

The losers say "sorry"

there's some hot chicks in there

Hehe pretty cool site.

Interesting picture on Page 10 of a guy in his marine uniform saying sorry.

[ericz 0]

The misguided are on the move again....

You would think that after the resounding spanking the Democrats got they would figure out what went wrong, but nooooooo.

Instead of listening to the wiser among them (and theres not many ) they are drifting even more leftwards. Reverend Jesse Jackson (paragon of liberal thought) suggested that the problem with the Democratic party was that it needed to embrace an even larger liberal vision if it wished to overcome minority party status. What a moron!

Others such as that sterling example of integrity and personal responsibility, Al Sharpton think they need to keep the same value system but "repackage" it to sell to middle America. In other words deceiving America into accepting their twisted values.

They just don't get it, most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left (radical feminists, radical gay lobby, PETA, eco-terrorists, socialists etc). Saying that, most Americans don't share extreme right wing views either.

Here's some advice for the Democratic party, drop the fringe groups or at least take away their mikes. Let them join the Greens if they don't like it. Come back to the Center where most Americans are at anyway.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

The misguided are on the move again....

You would think that after the resounding spanking the Democrats got they would figure out what went wrong, but nooooooo.

Instead of listening to the wiser among them (and theres not many ) they are drifting even more leftwards.  Reverend Jesse Jackson (paragon of liberal thought) suggested that the problem with the Democratic party was that it needed to embrace an even larger liberal vision if it wished to overcome minority party status.  What a moron!

Others such as that sterling example of integrity and personal responsibility, Al Sharpton think they need to keep the same value system but "repackage" it to sell to middle America.  In other words deceiving America into accepting their twisted values.

They just don't get it, most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left (radical feminists, radical gay lobby, PETA, eco-terrorists, socialists etc).  Saying that, most Americans don't share extreme right wing views either.

Here's some advice for the Democratic party, drop the fringe groups or at least take away their mikes.  Let them join the Greens if they don't like it.  Come back to the Center where most Americans are at anyway.

Why or how does liberalism scare some of you people so much?

[hardrock 1]

What I find really crazy is that, according to what was reported to me, catholic priests were adviced to praise Bush the sunday before the election, that he's the right one in the name of god and chosen by god to fight the evil in the world and such stuff . . . I mean that's totally weird!

So what? The so-called religious fundamentalists or, as others say, terrorists are fought by . . . religious fundamentalists?

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Quote[/b] ]They just don't get it, most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left

But americans HAVE been lied to time and time again. But about half of them seem to be blinded by a love of Bush to realise it.

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True, progress and change will never stop but there will always be a large conservative majority who will fiercely oppose it. That seems to be the tone in Russia and China as well.

I see no difference between right wing politics of ultra conservative Americans and Islamic religious leaders in the political system of Iran. The only difference is the U.S. Consitution prevents the government from taking domestic political prisoners. Otherwise the U.S. right now in its "class warfare" would be seeing massive numbers of protesters and critics of government actions being hearded into prisons.

Don't say it couldn't happen, yes it could and quite easily if such measures weren't implimented long ago in U.S. history to prevent such a mess.

[ericz 0]

Pet American liberal projects:

Social promotion in education: failing doesn't neccesarily mean you don't go on to the next grade level. Your parents can decide to "pass" you anyway. So much for standards.

Selective gender identity in education: Children grades K-12 can choose their sexual identity. If you feel more like a girl, you can go to the girls restroom among other things.

African -American slave reparations: Pay out millions of dollars to African Americans because they were brought to the U.S. as slaves.

Muli-lingual curriculum in public schools: Spend millions of taxpayer funds to teach public school curriculum in Spanish to a largely illegal immigrant children.

Thought police: Supplement or get rid of religion based moral standards and substitute socialist driven models of behavior. Just as the bible thumpers are trying to get rid of violent media or unacceptable (to them) popular culture, our oh so enlightened liberals are doing the same thing. Evidence recent Democrats on political talk shows that want to address the "moral values gap" by cracking down on violent video games, music and movies. Different group, same shite!

Just to name a few....not too mention that radical liberalism fosters effeteness in our society, something I absolutely believe is dangerous to our nation. Evidence anti-nationalist forces in America not to mention the rise of the American apologist.

[ericz 0]

Quote[/b] ]I see no difference between right wing politics of ultra conservative Americans and Islamic religious leaders in the political system of Iran. The only difference is the U.S. Consitution prevents the government from taking domestic political prisoners. Otherwise the U.S. right now in its "class warfare" would be seeing massive numbers of protesters and critics of government actions being hearded into prisons.

Most Americans don't understand that the struggle is not Secularist vs. Religionist, that is only one facet. The real struggle is between the socialist left and the capitalist right.

I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A. Can you say New McCarthyism. If only the Republicans could understand that but they wont.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Pet American liberal projects:

Social promotion in education:  failing doesn't neccesarily mean you don't go on to the next grade level.  Your parents can decide to "pass" you anyway.  So much for standards.

Selective gender identity in education:  Children grades K-12 can choose their sexual identity.  If you feel more like a girl, you can go to the girls restroom among other things.

African -American slave reparations: Pay out millions of dollars to African Americans because they were brought to the U.S. as slaves.  

Muli-lingual curriculum in public schools:  Spend millions of taxpayer funds to teach public school curriculum in Spanish to a largely illegal immigrant children.

Thought police:  Supplement or get rid of religion based moral standards and substitute socialist driven models of behavior.  Just as the bible thumpers are trying to get rid of violent media or unacceptable (to them) popular culture, our oh so enlightened liberals are doing the same thing.  Evidence recent Democrats on political talk shows that want to address the "moral values gap" by cracking down on violent video games, music and movies. Different group, same shite!

Just to name a few....not too mention that radical liberalism fosters effeteness in our society, something I absolutely believe is dangerous to our nation.  Evidence anti-nationalist forces in America not to mention the rise of the American apologist.

And because of this liberalism is bad?

[billybob2002 0]

Oh, boy.... http://www.werenotsorry.com/ ....thanks intel officer....

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African -American slave reparations: Pay out millions of dollars to African Americans because they were brought to the U.S. as slaves.

Free money for me.... I agree with this!!!

[ericz 0]

Quote[/b] ]And because of this liberalism is bad?

Oh don't get me wrong, I value "progressive" as in responsible, accountable, demonstrable constructive policy reform. Not some leftist policy wonks fantasy experiments.

Personal anecdote: I attended an American history class which covered among other things the Lewis and Clark expedition. The way my teacher (feminist) taught it, the chapter should have been renamed the Sacagewa Expedition. Very little concerning Lewis and Clark, a lot about Sacagewa's (indian woman) essential role wth emphasis on her hardiness and ability to withstand the trials the men did. My question was, good for her and so what? Lets find out about the Lewis and Clark expedition....

Additionally, she refused to cover WWI, WWII or ANY war for that matter because she "didn't believe that war solves anything".

That sure seems like enlightened liberal thought to me, how about you?

[ericz 0]

Quote[/b] ]Free money for me....  I agree with this!!!  

The check is in the mail!

I'll support it if you cut me in for half!

[denoir 0]

Most Americans don't understand that the struggle is not Secularist vs. Religionist, that is only one facet.  The real struggle is between the socialist left  and the capitalist right.

That's late 19th early 20th century thinking. Take a look at Europe - market economy (i.e capitalism) combined with a strong social agenda. Works very well.

Quote[/b] ]I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A. Can you say New McCarthyism. If only the Republicans could understand that but they wont.

Are you serious?

Well, if you are, you would have liked Germany around 1939.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Quote[/b] ]And because of this liberalism is bad?

Oh don't get me wrong, I value "progressive" as in responsible, accountable, demonstrable constructive policy reform.  Not some leftist policy wonks fantasy experiments.

Personal anecdote:  I attended an American history class which covered among other things the Lewis and Clark expedition.  The way my teacher (feminist) taught it, the chapter should have been renamed  the Sacagewa Expedition.  Very little concerning Lewis and Clark, a lot about Sacagewa's (indian woman) essential role wth emphasis on her hardiness and ability to withstand the trials the men did.  My question was, good for her and so what?  Lets find out about the Lewis and Clark expedition....

Additionally, she refused to cover WWI, WWII or ANY war for that matter because she "didn't believe that war solves anything".

That sure seems like enlightened liberal thought to me, how about you?

I fail to see the relevance to liberalism, just like in your previous posts, but hey, who am I to know what sort of politics you lot practise across the pond

[bonko the sane 2]

"...most Americans are moderates and are never (unless they are lied to) going to be on board with the radical left (radical feminists, radical gay lobby, PETA, eco-terrorists, socialists etc).  Saying that, most Americans don't share extreme right wing views either."

i promised myself not to get involved in any of these political and religious threads on this forum...but: what do socialists have in common with radicals??? they are quite the opposite, every 4 years, where i live we change between democrats and socialists and for all i know the shit is the same, only the smell difers...

btw: i consider the Bush administration extremist, each day its getting more similar to a right wing dictator we had here for 40 odd years...enjoy it

[ericz 0]

Quote[/b] ]That's late 19th early 20th century thinking. Take a look at Europe - market economy (i.e capitalism) combined with a strong social agenda. Works very well.

Call me old-fashioned.  Point taken, but have reservations characterizing the systems as "works very well".  You could also have mentioned Canada and their system is starting to show cracks.  Additionally, there are many differences between the U.S. and European countries that "may" make that system seem like it works well.

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I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected.  In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A.  Can you say New McCarthyism.  If only the Republicans could understand that but they wont.

Are you serious?  

Well, if you are, you would have liked Germany around 1939

Ah, the "If someone doesn't agree with leftist views" call him a Nazi argument. Hmmm, It would have been more appropriate to say that I might have like the U.S. around the 1950's. To which I would have responded, "just the anti-communist sentiment of that time ".

Of course my viewpoint may be colored by the fact that two generations of my family have fought communists in South America. But what do I know?

[ericz 0]

Quote[/b] ]promised myself not to get involved in any of these political and religious threads on this forum...but: what do socialists have in common with radicals??? they are quite the opposite, every 4 years, where i live we change between democrats and socialists and for all i know the shit is the same, only the smell difers...

It's very telling that you cannot discern a difference between them in your country.  That's exactly what I would like to prevent from happening in the U.S.

Quote[/b] ]btw: i consider the Bush administration extremist, each day its getting more similar to a right wing dictator we had here for 40 odd years...enjoy it  

Don't worry we will!

[CounterForce 0]

Most Americans don't understand that the struggle is not Secularist vs. Religionist, that is only one facet. The real struggle is between the socialist left and the capitalist right.

That's late 19th early 20th century thinking. Take a look at Europe - market economy (i.e capitalism) combined with a strong social agenda. Works very well.

Quote[/b] ]I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A. Can you say New McCarthyism. If only the Republicans could understand that but they wont.

Are you serious?

Well, if you are, you would have liked Germany around 1939.

Tell me a country in Europe with a working market economy combined with a strong social system!

From my own experience in Germany I can tell you this system is NOT working.

The stronger the social aspect is, the weaker the economy will be.

30 years ago there have not been that much social aspects is the system and it worked great. Today we are happy if our economy would grow at least 0.5 percent a year. Our government keeps telling us, it will, but they have been doing this for years.

But in the last 12 years more and more social aspects have been added and more and more people got unemployed, the economy is much weaker than it was and the social system is about to crash because of the weak economy.

Capitalism doesnot work if it is combined to a social agenda, it never did.

And a social agenda alone is not possible either. Look at the GDR

Look at France.

It is not working much better there.

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You seem to be bad informed about Germany in 1939

According to Hilter, the worst thing was not communism or something like that.

The thing to destroy and the ones to kill were those who had a different race than the "good" German (Aryan).

Because of that he went after the Jews and because of that he hated (and a lot of Germans did too, some still do today) the Russians.

Of course, he hated the communism too and he thought it would be a great danger and therefore communism was forbidden.

[EiZei 0]

Quote[/b] ]promised myself not to get involved in any of these political and religious threads on this forum...but: what do socialists have in common with radicals??? they are quite the opposite, every 4 years, where i live we change between democrats and socialists and for all i know the shit is the same, only the smell difers...

It's very telling that you cannot discern a difference between them in your country. That's exactly what I would like to prevent from happening in the U.S.

Quote[/b] ]btw: i consider the Bush administration extremist, each day its getting more similar to a right wing dictator we had here for 40 odd years...enjoy it

Don't worry we will!

You're welcome.

[bonko the sane 2]

Quote[/b] ]promised myself not to get involved in any of these political and religious threads on this forum...but: what do socialists have in common with radicals??? they are quite the opposite, every 4 years, where i live we change between democrats and socialists and for all i know the shit is the same, only the smell difers...

It's very telling that you cannot discern a difference between them in your country.  That's exactly what I would like to prevent from happening in the U.S.

Quote[/b] ]btw: i consider the Bush administration extremist, each day its getting more similar to a right wing dictator we had here for 40 odd years...enjoy it  

Don't worry we will!

well, in truth i consider all politicians guilty...unless proven inocent, it doenst matter which party or ideology they support, the vast majority of them are a bunch of corrupt peeps, and really...they are in it for the money

[hardrock 1]

Quote[/b] ]That's late 19th early 20th century thinking. Take a look at Europe - market economy (i.e capitalism) combined with a strong social agenda. Works very well.

Call me old-fashioned. Point taken, but have reservations characterizing the systems as "works very well".

I wouldn't call it old-fashioned. I'd call it outdated.

The late 19th early 20th century our system worked quite well too. And then we had two world wars . . .

I think the sense of history is, to learn from it.

Ah, the "If someone doesn't agree with leftist views" call him a Nazi argument. Hmmm

If I recall correctly he said:

Quote[/b] ]I for one don't agree that communist and socialist speech should be protected. In fact is should be banned in the U.S.A.

So you think "if someone doesn't agree with leftist views" he's got the right to forbid them? THAT reminds me very much of 1939 . . .

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ]That's late 19th early 20th century thinking. Take a look at Europe - market economy (i.e capitalism) combined with a strong social agenda. Works very well.

Call me old-fashioned.  Point taken, but have reservations characterizing the systems as "works very well".  You could also have mentioned Canada and their system is starting to show cracks.  Additionally, there are many differences between the U.S. and European countries that "may" make that system seem like it works well.

Well, a simple economic comparison can be done. For instance the accumulated budget deficit of the EU states is far smaller than the US one - although our GNP is larger. Same goes for national debt.

A classical measure of a country's economic state is the value of the currency. You be the judge:

You are doing somewhat better this year in economic growth, but did worse not long ago. So it's not the best measure for long-term economic progress.

And you can't blame the dot-com bubble, as it was global. The Euroepan economies were equally hurt by it.

In addition to the economic state, we have of course all the social perks and benifits, (universal healthcare, very good social security etc etc).

So you tell me if we are doomed.

Another example I can give you is of my own country, Sweden. We've had socialist governments (social democrat) for nearly 70 years, with only a few interruptions of more right-wing parties being in power. We're far more left than average in Europe (too left for my opinion, but that's a different story). It's not exactly like we're in dire straits. It's not exaclty like we are going under. On the contrary - we have been doing just fine. Sweden for instance usually tops lists when it comes to quality of life.

Quote[/b] ]Ah, the "If someone doesn't agree with leftist views" call him a Nazi argument.

No it's the "If somebody wants to ban certain political parties and ban free speech, call him a Nazi" argument.

[kerosene 0]

Why would anyone want a new set of McCarthy trials?  It was paranoid bullshit that just ruined peoples lives for no reason.

Of course my viewpoint may be colored by the fact that two generations of my family have fought communists in South America. But what do I know?

Fuck all apparently.  Why is replacing a left wing dictatorship or even (gasp) a democratically elected socialist government with a right wing dictatorship admirable?  Batista good, Castro bad being a perfect example.

The regiemes put in place in Nicaragua, Chile and Argentina where actually worse than the ones they replaced.