The best war movie ever

[SFWanabe 0]

Wow. June 2005 join date and you are hittin' it pretty hard already

While not a war movie, I'll sneak in a mention of "Batman Begins" which absolutely blew me away. By far the best Batman in my view, and certianly what my vision of Batman has been.

Yea and hes already learning how to piss people off too.

[Maximus-Sniper 0]

Hi

- Band of Brothers

- Enemy At The Gates

- Saving Private Ryan

- Sniper 1, 2 & 3

- Tears Of The Sun

Maximus-Sniper

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]I hope your not calling all the vietnam vets I've talked to stupid and unwise just because they happen to agree with my opinion of the movie. Besides the suffering of war is better told in movies like Band of brothers,the thin red line,BHD,and even tears of the sun to some extent.

Whats it have to do with Vietnam vets? It's a movie, and one that has very little to do with the reality of the Vietnam war as already mentioned. The Vietnam war is only the backdrop to underscore the movies message. In "Heart Of Darkness" it was the African continent...something little known, explored, or understand at the time the book was written.

[SFWanabe 0]

Quote[/b] ]Sniper 1, 2 & 3

Now those were some kick ass movies and you can prolly even seeing shit from those moviesthat happening in RL too except for becket still being a sniper after having his finger cut off.

[SFWanabe 0]

Quote[/b] ]I hope your not calling all the vietnam vets I've talked to stupid and unwise just because they happen to agree with my opinion of the movie. Besides the suffering of war is better told in movies like Band of brothers,the thin red line,BHD,and even tears of the sun to some extent.

Whats it have to do with Vietnam vets? It's a movie, and one that has very little to do with the reality of the Vietnam war as already mentioned. The Vietnam war is only the backdrop to underscore the movies message. In "Heart Of Darkness" it was the African continent...something little known, explored, or understand at the time the book was written.

Okay I guess you didnt read the posts or you would have seen my point. So I'll break it down for you.

The movie takes place in the Nam, about 5 members of my family are Nam vets (Thats not counting they're buddies who also served who only one said the movie was ok not even good but ok), I talked to them they said it sucked even for a Nam movie on drugs even if Nam was just a backdrop. Then the new guy comes along and implies that thinks the movie sucks is stupid and unwise.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Okay I guess you didnt read the posts or you would have seen my point. So I'll break it down for you.

I see you still don't see the point.

"Apocalypse Now" is not a Nam movie at all, so your family members opinion and basis for that opinion is irrelevant (in that it is a Nam movie). If one wishes to view as it is meant to be taken, it is a journey through one mans own darkened heart. Vietnam only reflects that insanity and loss of humanity that he is experiencing.

And my Dad is a VietNam vet as well, and considers it a damn fine movie.

Quote[/b] ]Then the new guy comes along and implies that thinks the movie sucks is stupid and unwise.

Uhh...you are the one that said it sucks.

[SFWanabe 0]

Quote[/b] ]Okay I guess you didnt read the posts or you would have seen my point. So I'll break it down for you.

I see you still don't see the point.

"Apocalypse Now" is not a Nam movie at all, so your family members opinion and basis for that opinion is irrelevant (in that it is a Nam movie). If one wishes to view as it is meant to be taken, it is a journey through one mans own darkened heart. Vietnam only reflects that insanity and loss of humanity that he is experiencing.

And my Dad is a VietNam vet as well, and considers it a damn fine movie.

Why dont you read my whole post and no matter what you say it is a Nam movie. Also your dad has very poor taste in movies and I would be happy to give you a list of some great movies to....enlighten his tastes. Oh also you could also put the movie Platoon in the same box as your putting this movie in,but people still consider both movie Nam movies.

[Akira 0]

The only poor taste I've seen around here is your constant relial on personal attacks to "prove" your ill-thought out and misinformed views.

I have seen your choice of movies, and whereas Sniper 1,2, and 3 might be good if you also decide to actually exercise your brain and rent some Van Damme movies as well, you, and your Vietnam vet family, can keep your movie tastes to yourself. I will trust my and my Dad's opinions far more than someone on a forum board that can barely reproduce a coherent sentence.

Despite what your ill-informed and ignorant family think, AN is not a Nam movie. Platoon is indeed a Nam movie, and about as good as Hamburger Hill, both of which for their time were quite important to healing the scars of Nam that were left festering across our social makeup. AN, however, is not about Nam. I don't know how more plain to make that for you while not reducing it to a "See Kurtz kill. Kill Kurtz kill" level of interaction, though reading your ability to make intellectual discourse it may be necessary anyway. AN is about man, man savagery during war, and the insanity and loss of humanity that is the result.

Or you can go on calling AN simply a "nam movie" and proving just how ill-informed you are.

[harley 3 1185 0]

I always thought that Platoon, whilst a Vietnam film, was mostly the story of the great feud between Berenger and Defoe, with Charlie Sheen stuck in between. The characters are much more realistic, which is essential in my opinion.  It's a damn sight more of a 'Nam pic than Apocalypse Now, but I'd rather watch Full Metal Jacket to be honest .

Btw, Akira, I never noticed that you'd already explained "Heart of Darkness". My apologies for stepping on your toes .

[Major Gripe 0]

Quote[/b] ]Okay I guess you didnt read the posts or you would have seen my point. So I'll break it down for you.

I see you still don't see the point.

"Apocalypse Now" is not a Nam movie at all, so your family members opinion and basis for that opinion is irrelevant (in that it is a Nam movie). If one wishes to view as it is meant to be taken, it is a journey through one mans own darkened heart. Vietnam only reflects that insanity and loss of humanity that he is experiencing.

And my Dad is a VietNam vet as well, and considers it a damn fine movie.

Why dont you read my whole post and no matter what you say it is a Nam movie. Also your dad has very poor taste in movies and I would be happy to give you a list of some great movies to....enlighten his tastes. Oh also you could also put the movie Platoon in the same box as your putting this movie in,but people still consider both movie Nam movies.

You don't seem to understand the meaning of the 'personal opinion'. As with all art, films are subjective, society decides if they are 'good' or not on the basis of the prevailing view. You have no right to criticise his dads choice in films and offering him films to improve his tastes is just pure condescension.  

Back on topic, I agree with Akira that Apocalypse Now is a treatise on psychological decay, Vietnam is purely a useful backdrop to the story. The attack on the village and the surfing after is just pure fun, certainly one of my favourite films if not necessarily a war movie.

[SFWanabe 0]

Quote[/b] ]Despite what your ill-informed and ignorant family think,

The only one making personal attacks right now is you. I have not called you father any names and I've not disrespected you,him or any of your family. But you just crossed the line there my friend. Tell me how do you come off calling my family stupid just because they say a movie sucks? I've known people smarter than both of us combined that say some of the best movies ever made suck.

[SFWanabe 0]

I always thought that Platoon, whilst a Vietnam film, was mostly the story of the great feud between Berenger and Defoe, with Charlie Sheen in between-the characters are much more realistic. It's a damn sight more of a 'Nam pic than Apocalypse Now, but I'd rather watch Full Metal Jacket to be honest .

I agree FMJ was alot better than AN.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]I have not called you father any names and I've not disrespected you,him or any of your family.

Quote[/b] ]Also your dad has very poor taste in movies and I would be happy to give you a list of some great movies to....enlighten his tastes.

I don't appreciate nor do will let pass any condescencion from anyone towards me or my family, especially by someone that just stated that Sniper 1,2, and 3 were good movies while decrying AN.

Quote[/b] ]But you just crossed the line there my friend.

Could care less. You opened it. Deal with it.

Quote[/b] ]I agree FMJ was alot better than AN.

As a movie about Nam, definitely. As a movie that goes beyond that and into the heart of man..hardly. The Thin Red Line is a rare movie that I think gives a good cross between war and metaphysical reasoning on war. It does both what AN tried to do and what SPR tried to do.

Quote[/b] ]Btw, Akira, I never noticed that you'd already explained "Heart of Darkness". My apologies for stepping on your toes .

No problem. I've found that the more people that hammer a point, the more likely (hopefully) that that point will be made.

[SFWanabe 0]

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I have not called you father any names and I've not disrespected you,him or any of your family.

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Also your dad has very poor taste in movies and I would be happy to give you a list of some great movies to....enlighten his tastes.

I don't appreciate nor do will let pass any condescencion from anyone towards me or my family, especially by someone that just stated that Sniper 1,2, and 3 were good movies while decrying AN.

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But you just crossed the line there my friend.

Could care less. You opened it. Deal with it.

Well the mods will deal with it and you have no right insulting a person's family when you have never met ether the person or the family. That in my opinion is alot worse than poor movie taste on anyone's part. You should feel ashamed.

[Gadger 0]

AN is good for people on different levels depending on how they view film as an entertainment medium. Those that are impressed by nothing more than eye candy will gain no more from it than the average "Rambo" - esque film. Those that view it as an insigthful backdrop into the soul of man, a la "Heart of Darkness" will learn from it. How can you truelly appreciate something without understanding what it is you need to appreciate?

edit: SFWannabe, you can't shout fire when you lit the match.

[SFWanabe 0]

I myself prefer a movie that has a good story that is also well acted. SFX are a big plus but not a must.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ] Well the mods will deal with it and you have no right insulting a person's family when you have never met ether the person or the family. That in my opinion is alot worse than poor movie taste on anyone's part. You should feel ashamed.

Irony.....too.....much......

[SFWanabe 0]

Yea well any past mistakes I've made on these forums dont compare to insulting a person's family esp. when I've never met they're family.

[Akira 0]

Yea well any past mistakes I've made on these forums dont compare to insulting a person's family esp. when I've never met they're family.

Really? Like when you insulted (and flamebaited) mine not eight posts back?

[SFWanabe 0]

I never insulted your father. I dont know why you think by saying someone has poor taste in movies that is the same as calling someone else's family ill-informed and ignorant. Atleast I can tell the differance.I'm sure the mods will see what is flamebait and what is someone's opinion.

[SFWanabe 0]

Has anyone here seen the movie "The Green Berets"?

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]I dont know why you think by saying someone has poor taste in movies that is the same as calling someone else's family ill-informed and ignorant.

Being condescending is just as insulting as outright flaming...how is that so hard to understand?

Course the fact that a flame war developed over AN is embaressing enough. I blame the film school education I received...

Quote[/b] ]Has anyone here seen the movie "The Green Berets"?

Oh god...a horrid movie....with Sulu no less.

[SFWanabe 0]

Quote[/b] ]Being condescending is just as insulting as outright flaming...how is that so hard to understand?

No its not the same thing.

Quote[/b] ]Oh god...a horrid movie....with Sulu no less.

Thats a matter of opinion but a "ill-informed" opinion. But can I ask why you think that? Is it because the blood in the movie is so fake a blind man could see the differance or is it because I happen to like it and your resorting to even more childish anttics?

[Akira 0]

One that seems to be shared it seems as opposed to your other opinion.

EDIT: Just so you know, I don't revert to "childish antics" like some others around here. My opinion is from having seen it, and deducing (rightly) that there is little to it than its face value. Not so for AN.

[SFWanabe 0]

Just because it's a shared opinion doesnt make it a bad movie. I grew up on old john wayne movies both the westerns,the love ones,the drama ones,and yes the good old war movies. Those were the only war movies I was allowed to see before I hit 15.

Quote[/b] ]EDIT: Just so you know, I don't revert to "childish antics" like some others around here. My opinion is from having seen it, and deducing (rightly) that there is little to it than its face value. Not so for AN.

Yes well your post are proving you wrong and as for AN being better than The Green Berets well like I said its a matter of opinion.