Gordy 0 Posted July 8, 2004 Give some link to m-8 or pic. I would like to see this thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rishon 0 Posted July 8, 2004 Give some link to m-8 or pic. I would like to see this thing. Uh, look up XM-8. Jesus. I thought everyone knew about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordy 0 Posted July 8, 2004 In that case, I have a lot of resouces on this. I guess one problem would be texturing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 8, 2004 Give some link to m-8 or pic. I would like to see this thing. http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/xm8-2.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Veovis 0 Posted July 8, 2004 This gun looks like an airsofter went nuts with different modding kits. What with the long scope, the M-249ish heat guard, and the funny barrel, combined with the rest of the M-16 look.... it's a mutant rifle. I really think it's no contest for the XM-8, in the military's eyes. They seem to be ready so start aquiring it en mass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted July 8, 2004 I wanna get an M-8... Not some reworked M16. the 6.8 SPC has been talked about for a long time, but I doubt we are going to use it unless it becomes the new NATO standard. The 6.8 may not become the standard infantry rifle chambering anytime soon due to logistics issues, but that doesn't mean it won't see service. It is already being field-tested with good results in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fact that the upper receiver can be swapped out in almost no time, and that no permanent changes to the M16/M4 rifle are required, makes this quite practical. Also, the existing USGI aluminum magazines will feed the 6.8 SPC ammunition, though slight changes to the feed lips should be made to increase reliability. Ammo capacity is also reduced when using the larger 6.8 SPC rounds in the USGI magazines, but only by a few rounds. Another rifle that has been used in Afghanistan is an M16 with an upper that is chambered in 7.62x39. The reasoning here is that 5.56 ammo is a precious commodity when you are in the field, while literally billions of rounds of 7.62x39 litter the countryside. The M16 SPR (Special Purpose Rifle / Special Purpose Receiver, depending on who you ask) V1 included just a new upper receiver, while the V2 included a new lower receiver with a slightly larger magazine well that accepted AK47 magazines instead of M16 ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted July 9, 2004 I'm pretty fond of my M4, for a person of smaller stature like me it is easier to handle. Not that the M16 is exactly cumbersome, it's just that the length of pull it bit of a stretch for me and being able to click the buttstock a notch in gives me a better sight picture. On average I shoot about 4 points better for record fire with the M4 consistantly. The problem remains that while the Stoner design is good, the forced gas system fouls the hell out of components, making cleaning a time consuming task at times. I owned an FAL for a while, and while that weapon was less reliable (tended to jam at least once every 2-3 magazines the only thing that every got fouled was the gas tube which it easy to clean out. I suppose a good armorer could have remedied the jamming problems with a little finesse, being that the rifle was used Argentinian military surplus. A few years ago I expressed the wish that the U.S. military would adopt the G-36 series rifle, and it looks like I might partially get it sooner or later since the XM-8 is essentially the same weapon with an increase in modularity. While I am excited by the prospect I will always remain to be a loyal 7.62 NATO fan and I wish we would go back to this caliber for the standard assault rifle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rishon 0 Posted July 9, 2004 Lol, GET A PIG! (For all of you non educated people, a Pig is an M60) I perfer anything to the 5.56, but I don't want a Carbine that is more lethal but has the same problems firing. Also, the XM-8 can be taken apart easily, Not to mention it's smaller than the M4. It has a 4x sight (NOOO! I just payed for an ACOG, 1k that cost me!!) and it has a modular set up. I think it is superior to the M4 in everyway, and I can't wait to get one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted July 9, 2004 Have you seen the HKM4? It's an M4 with a redesigned gas system that doesn't vent gases into the bolt carrier (among other things). I doubt that the XM8 (or M8 if it is ever adopted) will be available for civilian ownership. The manufacture and importation of assault rifles into the US is already prohibited, and I'm certain that piece of legislation will not be allowed to sunset. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted July 9, 2004 Hmmm never heard of an HK M4...I though the G-36 was pretty much that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rishon 0 Posted July 9, 2004 Have you seen the HKM4? It's an M4 with a redesigned gas system that doesn't vent gases into the bolt carrier (among other things).I doubt that the XM8 (or M8 if it is ever adopted) will be available for civilian ownership. The manufacture and importation of assault rifles into the US is already prohibited, and I'm certain that piece of legislation will not be allowed to sunset. Yuo ever heard of the lawsuit Colt is fileing? Obviously H&K didn't buy the rights to make a copyrighted weapon....Idiots. Also, I support the M-8 (I like to call it that, It's gonna be adopted, you know it will) It has a built in IR Tracker, Laser Sight, 4x Optic, and is Shorter than the M4A1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted July 9, 2004 actually the XM-8 is slightly...oh so very slightly longer than the M4. Look at the head to head here: XM-8 vs. M4 Edit: I believe this comparison is for the Baseline Carbine Model and not the compact carbine...which I'm sure is shorter than the M4.The barrel on the BC is only 12.5" I wouldn't trust anything much shorter than that. I doubt the CC will be the standard issue weapon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted July 9, 2004 12.5" is too short for reliable expansion of the M855/SS109. It will still put holes in people from a barrel that short, but it won't put them down reliably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted July 9, 2004 Yuo ever heard of the lawsuit Colt is fileing? Obviously H&K didn't buy the rights to make a copyrighted weapon....Idiots. No, I hadn't heard that. Has it been filed, or is there speculation of a possible filing? In any event, I think H&K has a good chance of avoiding such a lawsuit. The most important improvement of the M4 are the feed cuts on the chamber ramp, but this is not an essential innovation. Other changes like the new heat shield, larger oval handguards, and the M4 barrel profile are minor, incremental changes. M4s and other M16 carbines have been produced by plenty of other companies, and at worst, H&K will have to negotiate a license. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordy 0 Posted July 9, 2004 Yuo ever heard of the lawsuit Colt is fileing? Obviously H&K didn't buy the rights to make a copyrighted weapon....Idiots. No, I hadn't heard that. Has it been filed, or is there speculation of a possible filing? In any event, I think H&K has a good chance of avoiding such a lawsuit. The most important improvement of the M4 are the feed cuts on the chamber ramp, but this is not an essential innovation. Other changes like the new heat shield, larger oval handguards, and the M4 barrel profile are minor, incremental changes. M4s and other M16 carbines have been produced by plenty of other companies, and at worst, H&K will have to negotiate a license. The problem is no other company has such a potential like H&K. I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmedic 0 Posted July 14, 2004 Yuo ever heard of the lawsuit Colt is fileing? Obviously H&K didn't buy the rights to make a copyrighted weapon....Idiots. No, I hadn't heard that. Has it been filed, or is there speculation of a possible filing? In any event, I think H&K has a good chance of avoiding such a lawsuit. The most important improvement of the M4 are the feed cuts on the chamber ramp, but this is not an essential innovation. Other changes like the new heat shield, larger oval handguards, and the M4 barrel profile are minor, incremental changes. M4s and other M16 carbines have been produced by plenty of other companies, and at worst, H&K will have to negotiate a license. The Colt suit named H&K, AND Bushmaster. The basis was basically something like this: Colt alledges that they were in negotiations with H&K to produce a new rifle... The deal fell through, and Colt says H&K violated an agreement made between the two companies because it used ideas/designs for the defunct Colt/H&K rifle to make the HKM4. And, they object to H&K using "M4" in their product name. They are after Bushmaster for using the name "M4" also in their M4 style rifles. COLT, however...needs to S.T.F.U. when it comes to Bushmaster.... Bushmaster makes a superior product to anything Colt has put out in the last decade or more. And as far as their beef with H&K...If H&K did, in fact violate some agreement, then Colt might have a case...but, I think its just "sour grapes". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madmedic 0 Posted July 14, 2004 Oh...and you can buy a 6.8 Barrett M468 right now. I have one on my list, as soon as my CMP Garand gets here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
