Anti- English

[Gadger 0]

Quote[/b] ]Has anyone else English living in the Celtic countries (for the uninitiated, Wales, Scotland and Ireland) noticed an intense hatrid of the English and racism that would never be tolerated were it against any other group?

Lived in Cwmbran, South Wales for much of my life, not seen anything I could deem racist towards English ever. However I live in Northern England (Bury/Oldham/Rochdale area) and the level of racisim I've seen directed from the English here towards Asian's, Eastern Europeans and Kosovans is totally unreal.

Quote[/b] ]For instance, in South Wales, where no-one speaks Welsh, lots of jobs stipulate that you must be able to speak Welsh.

Horseshit.

I went to a Welsh speaking school, can speak Welsh, albeit slightly broken, aswell as everyone else in my family and the majority of people that live in the area.

Quote[/b] ]This seems a way of keeping the English out of jobs

How can you expect someone who doesn't speak the language to get a job in a Welsh speaking area, oh yeah its that English arrogance where everyone must speak English. Horseshit.

Quote[/b] ]The Welsh language lobby there are sadly pretty damn rampant and have a lot of power within governmental institutions and the likes of the WDA. This movement and the Nationalists like Plaid Cymru are just a bunch of racist bigoted idiots, and it is appalling

LOL, they have a lot of power because the Welsh people give them this power. Racist bigots, since when is having your own national assembly racist?

Why has this thread been not been locked? fucking appaling.

[iNeo 0]

Quote[/b] ]Bordoy , at least teachers dont swear.

My last English teacher sometimes cursed at his students .

My German teacher learned us some curses in juniour high

[shinRaiden 0]

Out har in teh sticks wah'll get purty fed up with yur abusing awr english. 'Course the old man on the corner speaks a little french now and again, or mostly all the time actually.

At least your troubles are legalized. Here we've got brokering houses smuggling and supporting illegal immigrant compounds. The people get squirrelled away in out-of-the-way communities, rotated around, and employed under the table at all the fast food places and other business establishments. The owners leave much of the employee oversight and hiring to the line managers, but forget that they the owners are the ones that will get nailed by the feds.

[Acro 0]

Read my signature!

I love the welsh!!!!!!

- and it's their land  

You also love Sweden...............

What's that supposed to mean?

Look at Eizei's avatar...  

It would be realistic to think that people who speak different language can't live together without any friction.

[EiZei 0]

Quote[/b] ]Uuh sure, Finland isn't a fortress, dark and gloomy though it may seem

im packing bags  

http://www.formin.fi/doc/rus/uslugi/zakongra/main.html

IIRC Finland has rather small amount of immigrants compared to other EU countries.

And yeah, its almost scary how easily this could be translated into a finnish discussion about swedish-speaking minority with just switching couple of words.

[denoir 0]

I think it's good with some inequalities. I mean those that once conquered have the right to their loot

As a Swede, when you talk to a Finn, you can assume that he speaks Swedish and you wouldn't be too wrong most of the times. Finland has Swedish as a secondary official language.

The reverse is of course not true. There are very few Finnish speaking Swedes.

But that's hardly surprising considering that Finland was a Swedish province for over 700 years. So as the former owners, we do have some advantages :;-):

Norway on the other hand was under Sweden for a shorter period and they were never integrated in the Swedish society like the Finns. So if you speak Swedish to a Norwegian, he will reply in Norwegian  (they're fairly similiar so not too much of a problem there).

If you want to find a linguistic mess, you should take a look at EU documents. All of the memer state languages are official so each and every document has to be translated. Today that's 20 official languages, all with equal status  

[Gollum1 0]

I think it's good with some inequalities. I mean those that once conquered have the right to their loot

As a Swede, when you talk to a Finn, you can assume that he speaks Swedish and you wouldn't be too wrong most of the times. Finland has Swedish as a secondary official language.

Not really, I don't know what Finns you have met but 80% of the time you will be much better off speaking English with the Finn, you would be surprised how little people know after 10+ years of education in Swedish. The coastal areas are a different matter, there you get along with Swedish just fine. People in the Eastern part of the country sometimes don't even know that there is a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland, have they never once asked why they are learning Swedish in school I wonder...?

Btw I'm part of that 5% minority. There has been a large debate in Finland lately if Swedish should be mandatory in the...student examination, studentskrivningarna auf Schwedisch...

[Acro 0]

As a Swede, when you talk to a Finn, you can assume that he speaks Swedish and you wouldn't be too wrong most of the times. Finland has Swedish as a secondary official language.

Even though I'm from Finland and I have Swedish as a school subject I wouldn't most likely understand what you say. The real Swedes have completely different dialect than the Finnish Swedes.   Hell, I'm not sure if I would understand Finnish Swede either. The Swedish teaching sucks, you know.

[iNeo 0]

Btw I'm part of that 5% minority. There has been a large debate in Finland lately if Swedish should be mandatory in the...student examination, studentskrivningarna auf Schwedisch...

Yes I remember. What did that lead to?

[Gollum1 0]

Btw I'm part of that 5% minority. There has been a large debate in Finland lately if Swedish should be mandatory in the...student examination, studentskrivningarna auf Schwedisch...

Yes I remember. What did that lead to?

I'm a bit fuzzy myself, I didn't follow it all that much since I don't really care either way.

Actually, it was a question of the second language so for the sake of being politically correct Finnish would not be mandatory in the examination either, altough someone who only speaks Swedish in Finland is screwed unless they stick to their coastal town or move abroad.

"svenska talande bättre folk"

[EiZei 0]

Btw I'm part of that 5% minority. There has been a large debate in Finland lately if Swedish should be mandatory in the...student examination, studentskrivningarna auf Schwedisch...

Yes I remember. What did that lead to?

"Secondary language" is not mandatory in finnish high school final exams after 2005 spring.

EDIT: Ooh, 1000 posts.

[Badgerboy 0]

I'm Welsh, and I live in South Wales, and I can't speak a word of Welsh.

Initially starting with the rascism thing from the beginning, everyone slags each other off! I've heard people shouting 'fucking taffs' on TV, radio and in the real world. We all do it! We band together when it goes to country vs country slagging matches.

No one speaks Welsh in South Wales and no-one wants to. The fact that all the traffic signs and official paperwork also comes in Welsh is pointless and a waste of money. These policies are forced upon everyone, by people who think they are doing good. (Welsh Assembly, Plyd Crumru). Money wasting and Welsh Fascists's respectively.

The Royal Gwent Hospital was told a few years ago it had to have bi-lingual signs put up. The hospital couldn't budget for this, and said no. After many complaints the hospital manager said that if they did this, people would die because they couldn't afford the means to treat them.

After many months the council backed down....

The only people who can speak only in Welsh live in North Wales, and have never seen a motor vehicle in their lives. No-one in South Wales cares, and some of the inbreed's from the Valleys and Notrth of it use it from time to time. (They can speak English anyway)

[shinRaiden 0]

So where's the Canadians in this debate, ay?

[Skewballzz 0]

theres nothing i can do aboot it...eh?

[DracoPaladore 0]

So where's the Canadians in this debate, ay?

What does Canada have to do about anti-English?

[bonko the sane 2]

i suggest http://www.esperanto.net/ to solve the worlds communications barriers, or...

This said, i do my best to comunicate in the language of my host, i have lived in most countries of southwestern europe and i speak 5 languages fluently as a result of good manners and common respect

[redliner47 0]

when I lived in Ireland, i tried to learn Gaelic but then realized they pretty much only speak it in county Kerry and I lived in county Mayo

[void_false 1]

Quote[/b] ]Uuh sure, Finland isn't a fortress, dark and gloomy though it may seem

im packing bags  

http://www.formin.fi/doc/rus/uslugi/zakongra/main.html

IIRC Finland has rather small amount of immigrants compared to other EU countries.

And yeah, its almost scary how easily this could be translated into a finnish discussion about swedish-speaking minority with just switching couple of words.

u da man! even in russian

[D.murphy man 0]

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For instance, in South Wales, where no-one speaks Welsh, lots of jobs stipulate that you must be able to speak Welsh.

Horseshit.

I went to a Welsh speaking school, can speak Welsh, albeit slightly broken, aswell as everyone else in my family and the majority of people that live in the area.

I also live in south wales, in town called Barry, or Barri as the welsh spelling of it. And every one in my area and most the surounding area (cardiff,pernarth etc..) speak English as there first and mostly only languge. Also i do know i few people who go to an all welsh school here but still speak english mostly. but mijority of people here speak english only

[brgnorway 0]

Welsh, Sami, or one of the 770 languages in Papua New Guinea - point is that IF a significant number of the people choose to speak their traditional language they should be enabled to do so! This should be done despite the economic cost simply because it has value - in several ways. But as usual - you only understand the value of things - when it's lost for ever!

In Norway when you go to school you have to learn "new-norwegian" as it's called. It's a hybrid language of new and old gramatical and phonetical elements. Still, it closely resembles the "spoken" word in the rural areas. I hated it when I went to school - however, it has undoubtedly value for poetry, history and cultural identity. The paradox is that even though this "dialect" has been traditionaly despiced in the central areas of Norway it is today gaining popularity among the high brow socitey of Oslo. In many Oslo schools "new-norwegian" has been prefered over traditional danish-norwegian. Go figure - maybe it was worth while taking care of the old traditional shit after all!

Oh by the way - I love the italians too

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

in Cornwall (Another celtic part of the country) There is a fair amount of racism against People from england stereotyping them as rapist, murderes etc etc but i dont really care.

[somebloke 0]

Basically anywhere in england you wil get racism against some other part of the country, for example Bristol gets stick for being drunken farmers (as does somerset) london is seen as prostertute central by most of england (i think). And places like Newcastle are seen as cheap run down places (despite the fact everyone loves jordie accents and the people).

I mean look at what the Northern US thinks of the Southern US and vice versa, mainly "hicks" hillbillies and low lives, then you get the attitude towards "the ghetto" and "ganstas". Then the southerns, from what i gather, think everyone up north drink too much, have expensive stuff, and basicaly think they're all high and mighty.

[Badgerboy 0]

in Cornwall (Another celtic part of the country) There is a fair amount of racism against People from england stereotyping them as rapist, murderes etc etc but i dont really care.

Bah, the bloody Cornish! They have their own flag, their own weird inbred language, and want to be a seperate country!

Let 'em I say, then we can invade and settle in for good. A single Challenger 2 should have no problems with all those alcohol fueled tractors!

And Bristol.... well IT IS full of drunk farmers!

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

The first thing we learned about the english language was that pronounciation is crucial. People in the UK judge you by your accent/dialect, opening your mouth is like opening the entire book of prejudice. Actually, when judging a lady to become a pontential bride of the royal family, then one of the most deceisive factors is the dialect since it is said to represent family background, education, manners, and level of culture.

Very very strange...it realy is. In germany a man or women speaking an original dialect of a region is not judged that way.

[DarkLight 0]

The first thing we learned about the english language was that pronounciation is crucial. People in the UK judge you by your accent/dialect, opening your mouth is like opening the entire book of prejudice. Actually, when judging a lady to become a pontential bride of the royal family, then one of the most deceisive factors is the dialect since it is said to represent family background, education, manners, and level of culture.

Very very strange...it realy is. In germany a man or women speaking an original dialect of a region is not judged that way.

Same here, as i said, people appreciate it that you try to speak well...