How about a forum night?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Yes reminds me a "good mission" we had compared to a "bad" one.

In one of the best missions I had with CIA was when we shot AT simultanously at T72's. They didnt have a chance cause the rockets hit them one right after the other. It was a tough one but ended successfully.

The bad mission was when someone took a tank (I think it was a tank) and engaged the enemy even though he was ordered to get out. The enemy was then on alert and we all got raped badly. (Was this mission in which frenchman did xxx, and gollum afterwards cleaned an entire camp on his own)

[mr burns 132]

yeah, but often the officer is then fine with it. But if you have to shoot because you crawled away from the team up to the boots of the enemy well then they have a reason to go Beserk on you

(remember "Beserk" from Doom?)

what if i have to crawl that close up to the enemy ?

usually, like in the last 3 or 4 games i played on cia, there have been such situations (though the enemy didn´t see me and i didn´t cause a huge mess).

the whole team was shouting: "uh ah"; "all down"; "enemys!" .. they start right clicking and calling them out- and i ..still don´t see anything    

do the new rules contain the banning of people whose ofp-eyes are fook ?

[raedor 8]

yeah, but often the officer is then fine with it. But if you have to shoot because you crawled away from the team up to the boots of the enemy well then they have a reason to go Beserk on you

(remember "Beserk" from Doom?)

what if i have to crawl that close up to the enemy ?

usually, like in the last 3 or 4 games i played on cia, there have been such situations (though the enemy didn´t see me and i didn´t cause a huge mess).

the whole team was shouting: "uh ah"; "all down"; "enemys!" .. they start right clicking and calling them out- and i ..still don´t see anything

do the new rules contain the banning of people whose ofp-eyes are fook ?

it doesn't matter when you crawl near to the enemy. but stay with the team (if nothing else is ordered).

llauma asks before every "planned" assault about 2 or 3 times "report status" and in most cases he gives command to fire only when everybody answered "ready"/"waiting"/"ready to fire".

and if you don't see em, just ask via ts or chat "where are htey, i cant see them" or just watch where your teammates are aiming...

[hellfish6 7]

Or if you don't see 'em, suck it up, let your teammates take the shot and then maneuver to engage the enemy, or wait till the leader orders you to advance.

[mr burns 132]

Or if you don't see 'em, suck it up, let your teammates take the shot and then maneuver to engage the enemy, or wait till the leader orders you to advance.

i already see myself getting banned for camping

j/k .. it´s time to repair my headset

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Or if you don't see 'em, suck it up, let your teammates take the shot and then maneuver to engage the enemy, or wait till the leader orders you to advance.

That is exactly the way it should work. If you cant see the enemy well then too sad, stay low and wait till the danger is over. But instead people follow their instincts "gotta see where they are, gotta shoot too!"

And if you cant see the enemy well then even the most stupid AI has time enough to hunt you down

[llauma 0]

Or if you don't see 'em, suck it up, let your teammates take the shot and then maneuver to engage the enemy, or wait till the leader orders you to advance.

Agreed. You don't always have to find a good spot. Often the team can handle them but what's important is that you report that you are safe. If all reports ready to fire when you have the enemy in target and you are set. Report cannot fire when you don't have the target in sight but you are safe. If you aren't safe report negative when I ask you to report status.

All need to report fast incase the time is limited. If I see that there are lots of enemies but we can delay the attack I will wait until all are set and ready to fire. No answer within a reasonable time will be considered as that you are safe.

If we run into a patrol get down and report where they are. If they are alerted you are free to open fire but it's better is you report where they are before that. Do never engage a patrol that haven't seen us. Report the direction and number of enemies and wait for further orders.

As an AT soldier you are allowed to fire at alerted APC's. If theres more than one APC wait until the other AT's are ready to fire against the other.

Tanks require synched attacks. You will receive an order to take it out but I leave it to the AT soldiers to communicate so the attack is synched.

And Burns:

You shouldn't normally crawl that close to them. If you do the mistake of crawling too close you will hold fire until the team is safe even if that leads to your death.

[bn880 5]

Llauma it makes sense what tyou want from team members, so maybe we should have some sort of written rule book. Sort of boot camp for CIA server... heh

(well because it is hard for people to know exactly what you expect if they don't read entire thread)

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

lets make our own small guide. Cut out what you think is unecessary and add what you miss

1. Officer comes first. Even if you tend to disagree with him you should follow the order. Suggest strategies and alternatives, dont DISCUSS.

2. "Stay low" or "stealth" is rather an advise, it doesnt necessarily mean that you have to crawl. Try to keep near bushes/trees, but most important: do not run ahead of the officer, do not run over the edge of a hill without order. It is also suggested that you dont sprint! And "danger" could also mean that there are tripwires around. Better not risk it.

Let your officer know in what stage you are. "Roger" lets him know you understood his order. "Waiting" means you have achieved to carry out his last command. Make sure you use "ready to fire" or "negative" to show that you are in position to engage the enemy. Otherwise the team might open fire and you are still running around.

3. Vehicules:

Do not enter vehicules or exit vehicules without direct order. This is for 2 reasons. The first one is that entering a vehicule makes it easier for the enemy to see you. And dont get out before ordered because sometimes the pilot/driver need to check out the location before continuing his way. If you want to run several km, well then get out before an order comes

4. Heavy guns & grenades.

a.)Stay assured that you dont play around with heavy guns without being sure that none of your teammates might be around. In some missions it happens that you might hit a soldier trying to attach a satchel to a tank. Stay assured that you are not entering the death-zone if one of your team-mates is using artillery-like weapons.

b)Do not fire AT at a tank, if 1 shot cannot ensure its total destruction. Wait for a team-mate to settle so both of you can shoot simultaneously. A damaged tank can still take out an entire squad if it is on alert. And often you will not have time enough to fire a second round. Experienced players are able to do so. But they are making sure they can hide behind a house to rearm.

c) Listen to your officers commands. Sometimes he may order the squad to load weapons into truck, to put mines on the road or to carry parts of heavy machine guns or mortars. In case you put a mine. Make sure you mark its location on the map. In case you carry a two-piece mortar or machinegun then stay near to the comrade who carries the second part.

d.) In case you are lost or under risk of being hit by friendly fire then try to use smoke shells to indicate your position. During the night you can also use flares. (none of the 2 alarm the enemy)

e) HE mortar can kill a BMP, but you wont be able to kill a T-72 with it (at least not in time). You also need around three 5kg grenades to kill a tank. Rather not advisable.

f) Forget about time-triggering satchels. Rather make sure that you can blow it up whenever you wish and whenever the team is safe

Open Fire

The order is very clear. If you are sticking to the team, and the enemy suprises you, has seen you and risk to take you down then you can engage at own will. However that happens rather rarely. Get down, see if they are aiming at you and if they dont then left-click on the enemy and by doing that you give the location of the enemy to the entire squad.

However be careful when you engage a suprise enemy-tank. Usually they cannot see you if you stay low. Especially not if you are in a bush. Besides, it basically never happens that the team does not see a tank. So dont even use the excuse, that you were DEFENDING yourself.

Teamspeak.

For convenience many servers make Teamspeak 2.0 a MUST. It is easy to download and easy to install. Even if you dont have a microphone you can still listen to commands of your officer and you have a higher chance of survival.

In case you have a microphone then Use a hotkey to speak and dont chose the automated microphone option. Otherwise everyone can hear you breath, curse, and sign (skul?).

However the microphone is not a must, but make sure you know the VOICE of the officer so you know WHO to listen to. Try to keep your comments short (not like Albert) and dont shout or whistle.

[llauma 0]

So instead of talking we should perhaps play one or two or three co-op's

[raedor 8]

Quote[/b] ]b)Do not fire AT at a tank, if 1 shot cannot ensure its total destruction. Wait for a team-mate to settle so both of you can shoot simultaneously. A damaged tank can still take out an entire squad if it is on alert. And often you will not have time enough to fire a second round. Experienced players are able to do so. But they are making sure they can hide behind a house to rearm.

it is on alert as soon as you shoot at it. so when it is damaged, it WILL be on alert.

you should add that one is only allowed to start a vehicle when he certainly knows that nobody is too close to the vehicle (um sowas zu vermeiden wie letztens...)

[raedor 8]

So instead of talking we should perhaps play one or two or three co-op's

good idea, but i've to get up very early tomorrow...

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

give me 5 minutes, watching a recap of the european film prize!

[llauma 0]

The CiA server is up.. with password

Let's hope there are people here who wanna play.

You will need:

FDF mod 1.2

Kegetys' russian weapon pack 1.1

It's not sure we will play winter nogojev but some missions still might need it.

Winter Nogojev 1.1

It's good if you get Kegs S&W revolvers as there are a couple of missions that uses them.

Kegetys' Smith & Wesson Revolvers

All get the hot fix for FDF posted **here**

IP: ofp.ciahome.net

Port: 2302

PW: ciafdf

Join the Teamspeak 2 server at IP ofp.ciahome.net

The password is ciafdf

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

raedor, get your ass over here you deserteur!

[raedor 8]

raedor, get your ass over here you deserteur!

sorry, no chance...

good night & have fun playing

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

arghhh you deserter! Dont you dare to talk to us ever again!

[Skul 0]

In case you have a microphone then Use a hotkey to speak and dont chose the automated microphone option. Otherwise everyone can hear you breath, curse, and sign (skul?).

I think you mean 'sing', don't you? Anyway, spelling isn't the issue here, the issue is my singing! By the Beard of Reorx, God of the Dwarves, what is wrong with my singing? If you weren't so far away, I'd be very stern and tell you off, I would!

[Gareth Gates must die]

P.S. Y-M-C-A!

[Black Knight 0]

Had a great time today (one of the best ) I would like to thank you guys (Llauma, Albert and Snake) together we were almost unstoppable, good job guys

[llauma 0]

Thanx for the games this evening. We did really outstanding on the first mission. They didn't know what hit them

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

yes and you llauma have a short sleep! I will dream till around 12:00 or maybe I will get up and lay in the sun till around 14:00 who knows... time will tell! hahaha

[bn880 5]

Yeah, by the time I joined we were like a bunch of clowns, it was really funny. A joke about driving a Pasi through a wall turned into an amusing experiment... need I say more: (Pasi vs wall)

Probably 4 out of 10 times we tried to take over a base we drove in and stopped just when we were surrounded by enemy, it was spectacular. You've never seen a team as focused as us.

[llauma 0]

yes and you llauma have a short sleep! I will dream till around 12:00 or maybe I will get up and lay in the sun till around 14:00 who knows... time will tell! hahaha  

I will sleep to 6:00 PM I guess

[hellfish6 7]

Sorry I wasn't there... I was downloading Red Orchestra all night.

[Lobanak 0]

From now on, all who wanna play on our server, have to follow our SERVER RULES.

Please notice, that there can be some changes later. But we post if something is changed.

Not knowing the rules is no excuse.

Read them and follow them and you don't have problems.

Greets

[CiA]Lobanak