Religion gone wrong

[Colossus 2]

I always has belived that religion causes more bad then good.

Example: Muslim groups bombing them selfs in ¨Allah's¨name.

Or that the Jews belive that Palestinia is God's land not the palestinians. Well, all religions has done something bad in there time.

Terrible..

Nobody can be in peace with each other.

Why not gay weddings? Its a free planet (Should be)

Peace dude!

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Homosexuality has always been there. Even among animals.

Even the catholic church has a really long tradition in such things

I have no problem with gay marriages. Why not ?

If it makes them happy let them have it. It has nothing to do with moral things.

It only has to do with some brickheads who think they can setup a inquisition-like scenario. I guess the church in general should be more concerned about child abuse in their own rows than about gay marriages.

[shinRaiden 0]

Another example: the little town (~12k) that I live outside of was considering one applicant's request to allow modest gambling in a proposed restaurant. Local churches got wind of it through some ringers on the city council, and stacked the hearing. Nobody supporting the ordinance showed up, and it was overwhelmingly defeated. Regardless of your position on the subject, the lack of equal representation is disconcerting.

Regarding religious response to this issue, the churches have the right as private organizations to restrict membership, as provided by supreme court rulings. The arguements against Boy Scouts has been primarily surrounding the fact that there is a charter authorized by congress, which is alleged to make them a public organization. If a recognized private organization chooses to deny membership or restrict fellowship to those who do not wish to abide their bylaws, that is their right to do so.

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX 0]

Regarding religious response to this issue, the churches have the right as private organizations to restrict membership, as provided by supreme court rulings. The arguements against Boy Scouts has been primarily surrounding the fact that there is a charter authorized by congress, which is alleged to make them a public organization. If a recognized private organization chooses to deny membership or restrict fellowship to those who do not wish to abide their bylaws, that is their right to do so.

The problem is with people being influenced by their wacky religious beliefs when making laws, and the pressure groups of churches influencing those who make laws, not with what the churches want.

It does say, many times, in the bible that gay people (including lesbians, according to St Paul) should be executed. Anyone who doesn't think so can't really claim to be a christian, because it is one of the clearest phrasings in the whole book.

Most people realise that its just a made up book, like all other religious books, and ignore most of the crazy parts (or 're-interpret' them).

[GoOB 0]

It does say, many times, in the bible that gay people (including lesbians, according to St Paul) should be executed.  Anyone who doesn't think so can't really claim to be a christian.

How skewed, christianity, atleast here in Sweden is alot more than the bible. Heck, we have homosexual bishops!

Most priests here preach "love for all" and similar things, bible readings are growing thinner, I know a woman who is educating herself to become a priest and so far her sermons have been very "not-christian" by my measures and actually very intersting. Although she has been critisized by many of the older priests, saying that her sermons arent biblical enough.

Personally I feel the days when the bible was the law and no priest/pious citizen was ever to think about what it says and tries to say are over. The world has changed since it was written and so has the church in general.

Afterall, Jesus H. Christ was the biggest people lover in all the world and he is yet to be beat in that particular area. I find it very unlikely that if Jeses existed he would shy away from helping homosexuals.

Although I agree that religion doesn't really have a place in modern scociety churches and religious buildins in general are for the morepart good establishments wich offer stability in scociety to a select few, and priests are willing to listen and help you even if you are a non-beliver wich offers security to anyone with a phone and a pair of feet.

[EiZei 0]

Heh, if we would be following the bible literally we would be executing male POWs on sight and stoning spoiled kids.

[llauma 0]

Heh, if we would be following the bible literally we would be executing male POWs on sight and stoning spoiled kids.

This is happening.. but they think it's "spoiling stoned kids"... very common in american upper class families.

[toadlife 3]

It does say, many times, in the bible that gay people (including lesbians, according to St Paul) should be executed. Anyone who doesn't think so can't really claim to be a christian, because it is one of the clearest phrasings in the whole book.

Ahh, but this is where Christians and non-Christians alike get confused. The whole idea behaind Chritianity is that Jesus came and and 'brought the good news'. His good news was that his people no longer had to follow the old scripture to the letter in order to have the slightest chance to be in Gods grace.

The quote I posted earlier "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", was something Jesus said to a mob who was about to stone an adulterous woman to death. The mob dispersed after he said this and the woman was spared.

Jesus came and make and 'made a new deal' with the people. It was deal of grace - not of oppression and punishment as the old testamant points out, yet Christians like to pick and choose scripture from the old the new testament to fit their worldly adgendas.

Quite ironic, isn't it. If you are a Christian and your savior is Jesus, then shouldn't it be logical to give the more credence to Jesus' words than others'?

[shinRaiden 0]

My mom has a good friend from just outside DC. They went out to a nice local restaurant and my mom recommended the Marionberry pie. The friend said "I don't eat Marion Berry pie". Took my mom a bit to figure that one out. At least that police chief thumped the mayor on the patrol car when he found the crack pipe on him.

[toadlife 3]

Heh, if we would be following the bible literally we would be executing male POWs on sight and stoning spoiled kids.

This is happening.. but they think it's "spoiling stoned kids"... very common in american upper class families.

LOL!

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#Toadlife

You're right on on that point, "everything made new in Christ" is such a core principle to their belief and preaching. It's ironic how they keep citing as authority material they turn around and declare the source to be rescinded or superceeded.

There is an arguement to made however, that these prohibitions were codified versions of previous Noachide or earlier principles. The case cited of Sodom is believed to predate Moses by at least ~500-600 years according to biblical cronology. If Christ were to have suspended anything from Moses as many interpret Paul as saying, they don't speak much on the earlier items. IIRC, the decision in (67?~73?) for Israel to fight on the Shabbat was authorized from a comparison of Noachide and Mosaic law.

Argued from this stance, it would give more credibility to their anti-gay arguements, however, their retoric backfires again when the cases they cite were actually handled by divine judgement and action, not by the locals.

Furthermore, in the New Testament there is ample command to uphold and sustain the law of the land. If you disagree with the law, fine, go try to fix it in a lawful fashion, to do otherwise is not "rendering unto ceaser".

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX 0]

Ahh, but this is where Christians and non-Christians alike get confused. The whole idea behaind Chritianity is that Jesus came and and 'brought the good news'. His good news was that his people no longer had to follow the old scripture to the letter in order to have the slightest chance to be in Gods grace.

Wrong, actually. (in the bible) Jesus never claimed to be overturning the old laws and often referred to them, claimed to be following them, and scolded others who did not follow the old laws.

EG matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

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The quote I posted earlier "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", was something Jesus said to a mob who was about to stone an adulterous woman to death. The mob dispersed after he said this and the woman was spared.

Jesus came and make and 'made a new deal' with the people. It was deal of grace - not of oppression and punishment as the old testamant points out, yet Christians like to pick and choose scripture from the old the new testament to fit their worldly adgendas.

He also cursed entire cities to hell because they didn't like his preaching - what a very loving and gentle character.

Matthew 11:20-24

He also said he would send angels to gather up those who offended him and {torture them forever}

13:41-42, 50

And many more. You are picking and choosing the parts you like and ignoring the great many examples of cruelty, hate and injustice performed by this 'great lover' because you don't like them.

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Quite ironic, isn't it. If you are a Christian and your savior is Jesus, then shouldn't it be logical to give the more credence to Jesus' words than others'?

And given the respect this character commands if you actually read the book, it seems to me that they are:

Rude to his mother, always calling her 'woman'

Tells his followers not to bother going to honour their fathers funeral, saying 'Let the dead bury the dead'

Cursing a fig tree for not bearing fruit despite the fact that it wasn't the season for it to bear fruit.

Calling any other race than his own DOGS and refusing to talk to them (Matt 7:6, Mark 7:27, in case you don't believe me)

Calling a sick child (of another race) a dog and refusing to 'help' her.

Lied to the priests at the hearing, saying he never taught secretly or at other places than at the temple or synagogue

Demonstrated his lack of faith and cowardly nature when he begged god not to make him go through with the crucifixion.

Good guy?

Just another religious hypocrite as far as I'm concerned. Same as Applegate. Same as Jim Jones. Leader of a cult, only intersted in their own gains and taking advantage of credulous, stupid people (there was as many, if not more cults springing up in those days as there are now - its just that MOST have been seen to be the frauds that all of them are)

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I recently read an article in science where after a number of tests Scientists had concluded that about all Male gay's have an Hypotamus that has developed differently from the normal male ,and wich looks more like the female one.These tests although not all concluded yet have so far almost proven that Homosexuality has it roots in fysiology rather than a being tudored by social enviroment ,some people would simply be born Gay and others not,and scientists argue that in survival of the species gay animals have an certain value to their group ,supposedly they would be gay to aid their older brothers/sisters with multiplying (how strange it may sound).Gay's are usually born in large family's and usually are the youngest of those family.

Those results are purely scientific and show that a gay man is usually born gay.

What does this mean for god? Well since he created all if he is against gay's then he sure must be a hypocrit as he made them like that all along.But god made us in his immage ,so he must be bisexual.

Anyway the God vs Gay debate is retarted.

[toadeater 0]

Cheney's daughter is an admitted lesbian:

The Lesbian Mary Cheney to Lead Her Father's Campaign

What does Dick Cheney (Mary Cheney doesn't like Dick) plan to do about her abominable behavior? I mean, if they're so serious about their policies, it would be hypocritical not to burn her at the stake with the rest.

That's the problem with these fundamentalist Republicans, they're hypocrites. Rush Limbaugh and his drug addiction is another good example.

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"life partner"? Why can't they just say girlfriend?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

"life partner"? Why can't they just say girlfriend?

Not gay enough.

Incidentally, Leviticus is my favorite section of the Bible. There's just so much fun stuff in there.

[SpongeBob 0]

"life partner"? Why can't they just say girlfriend?

Just like why dogs or cats aren't a "pet" anymore, it's an "companion animal".

And drug dealers are now know as "pharmacists"

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Anyway the God vs Gay debate is retarted.

Amen to that

[GoOB 0]

"life partner"? Why can't they just say girlfriend?

I think those two are very different things. Atleast here in Sweden, we allow gay marriages but they aren't church weddings or real weddings per sé. It is called "Ingĺ partnerskap" (Entering partnership) but they are treated as people that are married legally, though not in all countries (EG Italy) So maybe they have entered official partnership or something like that.

[toadlife 3]

Wrong, actually. (in the bible) Jesus never claimed to be overturning the old laws.....<snip>

In the cases of the actual verses you are referring to in your points, you are taking the most negative interperetation possible - the one that of course, fits your adgenda.

You also took it to twist what I myself said - I never said anything about ignoring all of the old laws.

Why don't you actually read the verses yourself and come up with your own conclucsion, rather than copying and pasting a interperetation from an anti-christian website?

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX 0]

Wrong, actually. (in the bible) Jesus never claimed to be overturning the old laws.....<snip>

In the cases of the actual verses you are referring to in your points, you are taking the most negative interperetation possible - the one that of course, fits your adgenda.

No, I'm taking the most obvious and clear interpretation. Feel free to tell me about an alternative way to interpret passages about cursing millions of people to eternal torture, though.

Quote[/b] ]ToadlifeYou also took it to twist what I myself said - I never said anything about ignoring all of the old laws.

Quote[/b] ]TOadlife his people no longer had to follow the old scripture to the letter in order to have the slightest chance to be in Gods grace.

Contradict yourself much?

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Why don't you actually read the verses yourself and come up with your own conclucsion, rather than copying and pasting a interperetation from an anti-christian website?

I HAVE read the book for myself. Cover to cover. The interpretations above are simply what the book says without 'reinterpretation.'

[toadlife 3]

Interperet it how you wish. I won't bother to argue with you. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder.

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The story was about something that this thread is no longer about, so we'll say Amen now