Us presidential election 2004

[shinRaiden 0]

Well at least you're agreeing with the mullahs that America is the "Great Satan".

[Blake 0]

Hmm, I never associated puppetry with Satanism...

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]Well at least you're agreeing with the mullahs that America is the "Great Satan".

Yeah aslong as those church going folks hold signs up which read: "Thank you G.W.Bush the only christain to fight evil in the world" ... see the independents front page for details

No wonder Bush got 92% of the votes from all white church going folks according to Skynews.

And i think Edwards there when he talked about fighting on meant about his seat he lost too? he wasnt trying to lead kerry or anything just letting out a bit of personal air after such an exhaustive effort and getting nothing in return i'd be a bit cranky too ... and thats far more better then what Cheneys , Halliburton anyone ....

By the way i heard Colin powells getting the boot or maybe he hanged the coat himself? I heard someone new is coming in so who is it? Powell never looked as if he belonged in the TBA for some reason.

[xawery 0]

"May you live in interesting times".

Well, no complaints from that department. It's the living-bit we might want to worry about.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]Powell never looked as if he belonged in the TBA for some reason.

I agree. After the Gulf War fame I always thought his path to politics would march via the Democratic party structure, I was very surprised he jumped in the Bush bandvagon.

During the first Gulf War his opinions were quite a bit apart from Schwarzkopfs Patton-style leadership.

He's always seemed more intelligent and moderate than rest of the Bush regime so it has looked like he has had to 'degrade' himself somewhat after 9/11 and forced to agree with the rest in name of 'goverment unity'.

Anyway as time passes somebody will write the political history of these turbulent times and it's hard to believe Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, Powell and Bush sitting there around the table smiling as one all the time.

[Acecombat 0]

SO Rumsfeld will stay? I thought with that Abu-Ghariab incident he was all done and simply waiting for the TBAs first term to end?

Rice is getting a promotion i think for faithfully managing to lie and yet fail miserably everytime.

[shinRaiden 0]

Which is why Powell has fit in so well over in the 'Foggy Bottom' of the State Department.

[BoweryBaker 0]

Just to let you guys know. Here in sunny Peoria, i registered to vote and they never sent me my card in the mail to come down and vote. I did receive a call on who i'd vote for also before hand and i answered kerry. So does Bush fix the votes? Perhaps he does.

[Akira 0]

He quit. He didn't lose. Not in my opinion. He quit to avoid "losing".

I didn't hear "Kerry lost" on the news or from other people. It was "Wow, did you hear that Kerry threw in the towel?", or "Kerry gave up".

It's one thing to give up and be polite about it, it's entirely another to have someone tell you that you lost and keep it together.

He did lose based on provisional votes left in the state of Ohio that made it clear he was not going to overtake Bush.

[ozanzac 0]

The one good thing for the international community that will come from TBA being re-elected, is the prospect that the US economy probably won't recover anytime soon, thus the value of the dollar will stay low (and possibly sink further. ).

Hooray, cheap stuff on E-bay for all.

[llauma 0]

The one good thing for the international community that will come from TBA being re-elected, is the prospect that the US economy probably won't recover anytime soon, thus the value of the dollar will stay low (and possibly sink further. ).

Hooray, cheap stuff on E-bay for all.

This is just great for the terrorists.. With the assualt weapon ban gone and low valued dollar they can two rifles and even a few boxes of ammo for the normal price of one rifle.

Allahu akbar.

It will be interesting to see what will happen next. Now as Bush can do what ever he want it might turn into a massive crusade against Islam. The people have showed that they approve what he has done so we might see him taking it to the next level.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]In an election dominated by terrorism, Iraq, social security, the economy, and healthcare, the top issue was "moral values"

Really makes you think about the whole thing a bit

And all this in an election probably most remarkable since 1960s probably...

[shinRaiden 0]

What do do about terrorism... is a moral question

Is Iraq part of a larger "war on terror"... is a moral question

What is the vision of America vs. the world... is a moral question

Gay Marriage... is a moral question

Economy and taxes in the role of Government... is a moral question

Is social security a good idea... is a moral question

Should social security be supported or phased out... is a moral question

Should healthcare be provided or earned... is a moral question

Does unpatriotic slander and chacter matter... is a moral question

Are those aborted human or not... is a moral question

Do the courts judge on the rights of theory or the rule of law... is a moral question

[seafire6 0]

If an incumbant was ever to be voted out this would have been the the time. An unpopular war, a less than great economy, health care issues abounding; it was a Democrats dream presidential campaign and Kerry wasn't a bad candidate - perhaps a little stiff when he neede to be more 'down to earth' but overall not bad. Kerry won at least two of the debates looking very presidential in the process. Kerry lost though because the republicans were more energized as a voting block and even gained democratic converts on Nov. 2. The pro-Bush hispanic vote was up at least 10% from 2000. The get out the vote effort for Bush on very local levels was tremendous and built on a precinct by precinct basis by friends/neighbors very loyal to Bush because of strong shared beliefs against the Kerry agenda. To top it off most Bush supporters really appear to like the man on a personal level, though often conceeding that while Bush is far from perfect they could not bring themselves to vote for a man they felt didn't share their there moral beliefs nor identify with them personally. Democrats should probably go with a more moderate choice next time and not alienate 'middle America' , but then again I hope they do so Mccaine or Guiliani win in '08.

[Bernadotte 0]

found this at Salon.com

Quote[/b] ]Most of us in Canada were pulling for Kerry. Anyone with a shred of

enlightenment would.

To all the disappointed Democrats out there: Come to Canada! Canada is

what you'd like America to be. It is what America should be: strong,

free, liberal, enlightened, secular and part of the global community.

We will welcome you, and we could use the extra population. Let the

Republicans have the U.S. (they already do), and go somewhere where

you're appreciated and people "get" you.

Any American Democrats moving to Canada get a free Molson, on me. So

come on up. It's really not that cold.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

Quote[/b] ]Nice way to silence all criticism - 'shut up you should be eternally grateful to us!'.

I'm not silencing any criticism nor do I want any "gratefulness". I won't stand by as loudmouths hurl every stereotype at right-center americans.

Amen to that PitViper, I'm tired of listening to these Europeans throw shit in our faces becasue we have a president willing to defend its country to agression. Maybe it's time we invade Europe once more but this time for our own interests

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]What do do about terrorism... is a moral question

Is Iraq part of a larger "war on terror"... is a moral question

What is the vision of America vs. the world... is a moral question

Gay Marriage... is a moral question

Economy and taxes in the role of Government... is a moral question

Is social security a good idea... is a moral question

Should social security be supported or phased out... is a moral question

Should healthcare be provided or earned... is a moral question

Does unpatriotic slander and chacter matter... is a moral question

Are those aborted human or not... is a moral question

Do the courts judge on the rights of theory or the rule of law... is a moral question

Gimme a break, I meant moral values:

Yeah Iraq is a moral value, right?

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]president willing to defend its country to agression

Yeah right

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]With the assualt weapon ban gone and low valued dollar they can two rifles and even a few boxes of ammo for the normal price of one rifle.

Of course. Who'd want to buy a fully automatic AK-47 for $100 in a Yemen gun market when you could get a semiautomatic AK clone for $1000?

[Architekt 0]

found this at Salon.com

Quote[/b] ]Most of us in Canada were pulling for Kerry. Anyone with a shred of

enlightenment would.

To all the disappointed Democrats out there: Come to Canada! Canada is

what you'd like America to be. It is what America should be: strong,

free, liberal, enlightened, secular and part of the global community.

We will welcome you, and we could use the extra population. Let the

Republicans have the U.S. (they already do), and go somewhere where

you're appreciated and people "get" you.

Any American Democrats moving to Canada get a free Molson, on me. So

come on up. It's really not that cold.

Nice..

I've heard the same from a few americans that have come to NZ to live.

And ain't none a thems frum Texas.

[red oct 2]

found this at Salon.com

Quote[/b] ]Most of us in Canada were pulling for Kerry. Anyone with a shred of

enlightenment would.

To all the disappointed Democrats out there: Come to Canada! Canada is

what you'd like America to be. It is what America should be: strong,

free, liberal, enlightened, secular and part of the global community.

We will welcome you, and we could use the extra population. Let the

Republicans have the U.S. (they already do), and go somewhere where

you're appreciated and people "get" you.

Any American Democrats moving to Canada get a free Molson, on me. So

come on up. It's really not that cold.

would anybody know what kind employment would be in Canada?

[bn880 5]

Quote[/b] ]Canada, which has an ailing health care system

I've always had the impression that Canada's Healthcare system is pretty good and drugs are cheaper than in the US.

What might he mean with this ailing?

Sure it's "pretty good" in some ways.

#1. hospital care is mostly free

#2. you pay for most medications (or insurance, = same hting)

#3. medication is cheaper than in US, but still...

#4. emergency room care and waiting time is very very bad. The treatment is less than acceptable in many cases with many mistakes being made, and apparently stupid or badly trained doctors in many cases.

#5. All the time there is not enough money to fund the current system, things are constantly being cut back and are being put on private bills. That is mostly due bad spending, and spudily high salaries for doctors and actually everyone working in Hospitals. (but management an doctors are key there)

#6. Eye health, glasses, tooth care etc. is not covered at all and apparently teeth and eyes are then not necessary, a business.

So sure, our healthcare system is better than say the one in Mexico, but it sure as hell is not good, at least not when you really know the facts.

[Bernadotte 0]

@ Nov. 04 2004,04:10)]Maybe it's time we invade Europe once more but this time for our own interests    

Just don't count on Europe's leaders sitting around reading The Pet Goat if you do.

[Blake 0]

Election is long gone now. Climax is gone. Maybe it's time to stick to other threads or put some kind of US policies thread.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

@ Nov. 04 2004,04:10)]Maybe it's time we invade Europe once more but this time for our own interests

Just don't count on Europe's leaders sitting around reading The Pet Goat if you do.

no I count on the other wars going right now to be a distraction while we send submarines and carrier battle groups to Europe and have a massive American amphibious assault once again, except this time it wouldn't be to get your country back.... But rather to shut you up so you can stop forcing to impose your "morals" or "views" when your country has clearly imposed its rule on people involentarily in the past.... And really the US hasn't done any such thing.... So let us have our go at becoming a democracy which allows for expansion of our Ideals and values.....Your colonial rule had already fucked up the world, yet you are just being hipocrits telling us that our nation is wrong. Yet in the past you followed some pretty fucked up way of ruling your colonies and look at them now? Africa is a mess, India and Pakistan are at each other's throats and the whole Asia minor area which once used to be under British control is in shambles..... Even prior to the 1st Gulf war.