Us presidential election 2004

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

So do not preech to the American supporters of Bush that they are wrong because they want to have a more peaceful world......In case you haven't noticed.... Our mentality about protecting ourselves has changed. Before our mentality was ok.... We wait for terrorist to strike and then we fire a cruise missile at them as a response. Well now its ok this guy wants to attack us.... Is he serious, yes. Ok, lets take him out.Bush, and many Americans want to have a world Where there is no such thing as terrorism and by Europe denouncing US foreign policy they are actually endorsing the fact that terrorism exists and that they are not going to do shit to put a effort to stop it.... And that they leave it up to the UN, which we already know hasn't done shit for the past 10-20 years, not to mention the fact that a European country right now is holding a known supporter of terrorists who has sent suicide bombers against Israel is in a hospital right now.... So technically the european country in question is harboring a terrorist. And on a side note, the insurgents in Iraq do not care about Iraq or its people. If they cared so much for the well being of Iraq then they would realize that we are not going to go away any faster when we are getting shot at and are prevented from doing our jobs there....If they had an ounce of rationality they would put down their weapons... Stop their fighting and then all of their muslim brothers and sisters would stop being killed.

[Bernadotte 0]

A journalist had an interesting comment about reactions in France and elsewhere in Europe:

For much of the past 4 years Europeans have been trying to emphasise that just because they don't like the policies of George W Bush doesn't mean they have anything against the American people.  They kept in mind that less than half of Americans even voted in 2000 and less than half of those voters supported Bush. Things will be different now.  It will no longer be as simple to distinguish Americans from the deeds and policies of their government.

I'm a Canadian who has been living in Central Europe since 1988, however growing up across from Detroit still leaves my English sounding as American as Peter Jennings.  I wonder if there will be any difference in the way people respond.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

I think the way that the extreamity of politics is played in Europe is so stupid.... I lost a 1 year friendship with a French online friend of mine in just a couple of a hours becasue we got into a huge argument over our dissagreements.

[Bernadotte 0]

@ Nov. 04 2004,05:12)]

@ Nov. 04 2004,04:10)]Maybe it's time we invade Europe once more but this time for our own interests    

Just don't count on Europe's leaders sitting around reading The Pet Goat if you do.

no I count on the other wars going right now to be a distraction while we send submarines and carrier battle groups to Europe and have a massive American amphibious assault once again, except this time it wouldn't be to get your country back.... But rather to shut you up so you can stop forcing to impose your "morals" or "views" when your country has clearly imposed its rule on people involentarily in the past.... And really the US hasn't done any such thing.... So let us have our go at becoming a democracy which  allows for expansion of our Ideals and values.....Your colonial rule had already fucked up the world, yet you are just being hipocrits telling us that our nation is wrong. Yet in the past you followed some pretty fucked up way of ruling your colonies and look at them now? Africa is a mess, India and Pakistan are at each other's throats and the whole Asia minor area which once used to be under British control is in shambles..... Even prior to the 1st Gulf war.

Umm... Ok.  

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

heh, yeah i'm a little hyped... After all this European gangbanging on American society and the way we are / have changed......Maybe I should invite my friends from school who are avid Bush supporters into the BIS forums just to comment on this thread.... Just to even the odds of extreamist liberal Europeans to moderate American conservatives...... Oh and BTW you think that the US would dump VBS1 and other such training tools as a sign to European based software developers who have interests with US military markets? I mean if BIS is making $500.00 a pop for VBS1 I think that the US government terminating their contract with BIS would make OFP2 come out even more later than what is predicted and then maybe it will be rushed out so BIS can generate more income more quickly.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

I think the US should have a policy to compliment the "USA doesn't negotiate with terrorists" policy..... Maybe a zero tolerance policy for terrorism..... You harbor a known terrorist, your ass is ours. You support terrorism, your ass is ours. You don't like us? Like we give a shit if we are not liked in Europe becasue our opinions do not co-incide with the European publics...... One thing i'm glad of is that you guys are Europeans and are not Americans, otherwise I would be ashamed to have such politically inept people living in this great country that has given the world so much.

[shinRaiden 0]

except that the Czech Republic is further east in Europe, and perhaps the US government would be interested in investing in eastern europe as a means to try to influence/split the EU. This could bring good things for OFP2 and VBS.

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You harbor a known terrorist, your ass is ours. You support terrorism, your ass is ours. You don't like us? Like we give a shit if we are not liked in Europe

iirc, Bush asked Mullah Omar for Bin Laden, and said that was all he wanted. Omar said "no, and death to America, etc-etc", and Bush said "Fine, you're part of the problem, you're going too."

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

More money to BIS = more stuff and better stuff in OFP2

[shinRaiden 0]

Quote[/b] ]I think the US should have a policy to compliment the "USA doesn't negotiate with terrorists" policy..... Maybe a zero tolerance policy for terrorism..... You harbor a known terrorist, your ass is ours. You support terrorism, your ass is ours. You don't like us? Like we give a shit if we are not liked in Europe becasue our opinions do not co-incide with the European publics...... One thing i'm glad of is that you guys are Europeans and are not Americans, otherwise I would be ashamed to have such politically inept people living in this great country that has given the world so much.

Well I guess my ass is yours f*&kface.

I guess iB code is written the way it is for a reason.

The real question in response to your first post here is...

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Somebody shut that guy up.

Why? Why can't say say what you presume to be delusional ravings any more than you should be able to say what I presume to be nonsensical drivel? Shutting people up ends the debate and turns it into a monologue, which I doubt will hold the attention of either side for very long.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Just to let you guys know.  Here in sunny Peoria, i registered to vote and they never sent me my card in the mail to come down and vote.  I did receive a call on who i'd vote for also before hand and i answered kerry.  So does Bush fix the votes?  Perhaps he does.

I live in Maryland and I did not recieve my card. I guess the democrats did not want me to vote.....  

@placebo: A duel is coming soon if....

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

its sensible people like Shin I can discuss things with and I can deal with respectful people..... But all these drama queens that say its the end of the world because Bush and the American people do not support the same ideals and views as the European public do not understand how great people's political convictions are in this country after 9/11. Damn another Marylander.... Hey I live in Maryland too, Montgomery county to be exact...

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Hey I live in Maryland too, Montgomery county to be exact...

PG county... Go Terps!!!! WOOT

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yeah TERPS RULE!!!! I'll be going to UMCP hopefully in about 2 years

EDIT*** CIVIL ENGINEERING major

[shinRaiden 0]

And how would you know that I'm sensible? All the 'experts' say I'm not, but I still persist... For all you know I'm secretly an Andrew Tannenbaum with a secret agenda to subvert all conservatism through craftily phrased wastes of verbage.

Is it sensible to be persistent in the face of opposition?

Take how many Americans and British died in WW2, that persistance was pretty stupid right, look how many British and American soldiers died on somebody else's pet cause. Consider insult added to injury where all the poor starving citizenry struggling to survive the Great depression was then placed on rations for everything from underwear to toothpaste. Victory soup anyone? Or all the casualties in Asia. Asia's over there, and besides, it was a little military base in an imperialist colony of oppressed people that got hit on Dec. 7th.

etc. etc., and all the other previously rehashed arguements about the issues vs. the details. Why the concern about the House and Senate among the Republicans and the downplaying by the media? Because it is a move towards breaking the political stonewalling of the Democrats in appointing judges, who are hearing moral issue cases raised by the liberal organizations.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

"The real question in response to your first post here is...

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Somebody shut that guy up.

Why? Why can't say say what you presume to be delusional ravings any more than you should be able to say what I presume to be nonsensical drivel? Shutting people up ends the debate and turns it into a monologue, which I doubt will hold the attention of either side for very long".

Thats how I know you're sensible

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]yeah TERPS RULE!!!! I'll be going to UMCP hopefully in about 2 years

EDIT*** CIVIL ENGINEERING major

All the Kerry supporters are in shock. College Republicans are slient but here is a message from a random Bush voter: "I just wanted to take the time to thank all of you that voted in the election. It was an extremely tight race but Kerry conceded giving Bush the 4 more years that we wanted! I refuse to give liberals any crap on their sad day, but I will walk with my head high sporting my NRA t-shirt around campus today. Victory is ours!!!"

[Blake 0]

Please stop linking WW2 with present-day Iraq otherwise we'll find ourselves debating over Waterloo or Hastings eventually...

Quote[/b] ]I refuse to give liberals any crap on their sad day, but I will walk with my head high sporting my NRA t-shirt around campus today. Victory is ours!!!

Sounds like a typical teen angst Bush voter which really has some serious growing up to do...kick ass, fuck and crap are the adjectives of the day for them as it seems since after all there are no arguments which such 'voter' would understand or discuss. Pro-gun and pro-war kick ass hell yeah. I just wish they'd put these nerds on a draft and to serve in Iraq.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

i'm having second thoughts about US involvement in WW2 maybe we should have waited until Germany had decimated all of Europe, including UK.... And then send our forces to Europe so we could take out the Germans and claim Europe for US government / interests. Or maybe let Russia get Europe

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]i'm having second thoughts about US involvement in WW2 maybe we should have waited until Germany had decimated all of Europe, including UK

Yeah yeah, Iraq takes over the world with bunch of rusty russian tanks and conscripts. And by the way you waited until 1941 by then Europe was all but decimated excluding UK, you only took part actively when your own ass was on the line.

[ralphwiggum 6]

could we PLEASE stay on topic?

[shinRaiden 0]

I'm wearing this shirt right now, and I've worn it and the one on my avatar all over the county this summer and fall.

The coolest thing was at the Meydenbauer Convention Center out in the eastside suburbs last night for the Washington State Republican Party party, about half the packed crowd was kids my age and college republicans. Contrast that to the Democrats party in the Westin down town where the video showed mainly old party apparatchiks. At our party we also had a bunch of families, and even a number of really young kids enjoying the atmosphere and the chance to stay up way past their bedtime.

The result of this is that in 2000, the election was close, it widened here, and the gap is only going to get wider as the Democrats continue to pervert and subvert foundations of morals.

Here's the real economic issue. Conservatives view humans and families as assets, Liberals view them as liabilities.

Conservatives take care of the environment and encourage it's health because it helps us and it's our obligation. Liberals fence it off and chase out the people, leaving nature to rot.

Conservatives expect that you will be responsible for your self, and work to make provisions so you can take care of yourself. Liberals believe that you're not adequately capable of taking care of yourself, therefore you should more or less be a ward of the state on welfare.

Conservatives believe that opportunity and accountibility also extend into healthcare, in having the oppotunity to select providers eager to serve you and your business. While the so-called Diversity Experts among the liberals claim that people are all different, in reality they attempt to impose uniform generic medicine.

Conservatives also hold the moral principal of self-determination. Everyone is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, along with the oppotunity to vote against that or abstain from voting. Liberals use the ruse of prior ignorance or abuse to justify their continuing sociatal enslaving and manipulation.

Conservatives believe that it is all humanity's imperative to better ourselves and each other. As Liberals view themselves as already enlightened, those who aren't along for the ride are inferior and thus are to be managed when willing, and disciplined when not.

There is a big difference in this rising young conservative generation. The hippies earlier rejected law and order and discipline. Today the 'rebels' are rejecting the self-aggrandizment of the self-certified intellectual establishment and questioning the validity and bias of their arguements. The difference is that we're not resisting lawlessness, we're looking for law and order, and we're saying the 2 and 2 you're giving us is not making 5 like you said it would. And when we ask why shouldn't it be 4, you get all huffy because 'how dare the students question the teacher'.

Well I can and do, and things are looking good for a good long time to come.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]Well I can and do, and things are looking good for a good long time to come.

Yeah propaganda machine seems to be churning out stuff better than ever. It's beyond comprihension that the election is over and discussion has descended this low. This should be locked, at least I'm out of this disgrace of a thread. But before I go I urge every self-respecting Bush-supporter to enlist today for a tour in Iraq. For college kids jumping around in NRA shirts it should be mandatory and they'd should be put to truck en-route to boot camp upon once apprehended.

[wongkeanwah 0]

I'm sure all of you know this,BUSH HAS WON!

[shinRaiden 0]

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Yeah propaganda machine seems to be churning out stuff better than ever.

What you can not understand is how I of my own free will and reason came to these positions that I believe to be sensible. When I listen to talk radio etc, the feeling is "he agrees with me" rather than "I agree with what he's feeding me". You can't comprehend it because it is outside your dead end box.

Actually, it is you who should be thanking us conservatives for having the patience to put up with you, and who remain active in bring light to those that sit (some of which I might add - willingly) in darkness, despite all the debris thrown at us in the process.

[denoir 0]

@ Nov. 04 2004,05:12)]Yet in the past you followed some pretty fucked up way of ruling your colonies and look at them now? Africa is a mess, India and Pakistan are at each other's throats and the whole Asia minor area which once used to be under British control is in shambles.....

Not to mention America.. what an embarrassment for us Europeans you are