Us presidential election 2004

[shrike 0]

Yes, I know.

Still I am voicing my opinion - which is in no way exclusively directed towards Shin Raiden I might add.

Plus I've read worse on this forum. But I'll bear the consequences, no problem.

[PitViper 0]

But most importantly, Four More Years!!! The right man will continue to be in the right place to be able to get the right job done at the right time.

Oh you hypocrite, stupid, mindless, blind sheep....just like us Germans in 1933.

right... the biggest mistake America ever made was to prop up a BS government in West Germany after WW2.  I think rotting under the Bolsheviks would have been an appropriate fate for you Germans. Instead, we foolishly rebuilt your country.

[ralphwiggum 6]

But most importantly, Four More Years!!! The right man will continue to be in the right place to be able to get the right job done at the right time.

Oh you hypocrite, stupid, mindless, blind sheep....just like us Germans in 1933.

right... the biggest mistake America ever made was to prop up a BS government in West Germany after WW2.  I think rotting under the Bolsheviks would have been an appropriate fate for you Germans. Instead, we foolishly rebuilt your country.

because if US didn't we would be singing Russian national anthem instead of Star spangeld baner.

keep it on topic.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]right... the biggest mistake America ever made was to prop up a BS government in West Germany after WW2. I think rotting under the Bolsheviks would have been an appropriate fate for you Germans. Instead, we foolishly rebuilt your country.

Nice way to silence all criticism - 'shut up you should be eternally grateful to us!'. Yeah there was marshall aid etc. but Germans as hard-working people did much of the rebuilding themselves.

And what the hell does this to do with US elections today??

[Badgerboy 0]

But most importantly, Four More Years!!! The right man will continue to be in the right place to be able to get the right job done at the right time.

Oh you hypocrite, stupid, mindless, blind sheep....just like us Germans in 1933.

right... the biggest mistake America ever made was to prop up a BS government in West Germany after WW2.  I think rotting under the Bolsheviks would have been an appropriate fate for you Germans. Instead, we foolishly rebuilt your country.

Countries don't do things out of the goodness of their own heart. The reason your country partook in the rebuilding, was because it was in the US strategic interest.

A Soviet dominanted Europe would have been a barrel of laughs eh? You'd prob'ly all be dead now. So stop droning on about 'how much everyone owes us'.

[denoir 0]

"The real issue to the voters wasn't the War or the Economy, it was about Moral Values." I turned to King County Councilman Rev. Steve Hammond who had a visible sigh of relief (McKenna was also on the council until stepping down at the end of this year to be AG) and said "How often do we hear that from a politician?"

Yes, three cheers for Christian fundamentalism and to the good ole' medieval times!  

Funny how starting wars and killing civilians does not fit under "moral values". But, I suppose that's what differentiates normal religious convictions from fundamentalism. With Bush you are in an exclusive club with such distinguished members as Iran et al.

Bah, it's your funeral.

As for the other half - the poor reasonable bastards that believe in social progress, that believe that 'moral values' means more than skewed dogma from some book.. well.. Europe welcomes you

[shinRaiden 0]

But, there is a ray of black light for the democrats. Because of their massive voter registration campaigns with less-than-competant administration, a whole pile of people's voter registrations got confused. For example, in speaking with the poll workers and inspectors as well as voters, it appeared that there was a significant number of registrations that should have been changed registrations that were actually processed as new registrations. Also there were mixups on the changes and other stuff as well.

This resulted in nearly 6% provisional ballots being cast in my polling place. I'm out in a rural, sparsely populated and mainly conservative area. I think other areas may have been significantly higher, maybe above 10% or more. The very real concern is that these ballots now exist for Edwards' partners to litigate over. One of my poll-watching assistants, a man 3 times my own age, said that in the good old day, your registration and your vote was your own responsibility. If you couldn't bother to pay attention to your registration and get it done right, you obviously couldn't be bothered to pay attention to your ballot either.

I don't know what the numbers look like in the other states, but this is still a rather large grey area that still needs to be watched out for.

[PitViper 0]

Quote[/b] ]Nice way to silence all criticism - 'shut up you should be eternally grateful to us!'.

I'm not silencing any criticism nor do I want any "gratefulness". I won't stand by as loudmouths hurl every stereotype at right-center americans.

[Mora2 0]

Congrats to the americans, they have sure made the right decission for them which historically has been proven to be the contrary of europes more stupid left-winged donkeys desires.

Quite funny how some socialists disguised as tolerants try to find some advantages for Europe in this re-election arguing and saying that Bush has reunited Europe         . Really, thats hillarious quite stupid and quite hypocrite.

Well all their bad manners, manipulated info and lies have got what they diserved.

I only feel sorry for Kerry who for sure has a better sense of democracy than many boogies posting here and has told bush on working together so as to  turn back the country together.

Cheers.

Oh and:

     

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]Nice way to silence all criticism - 'shut up you should be eternally grateful to us!'.

I'm not silencing any criticism nor do I want any "gratefulness". I won't stand by as loudmouths hurl every stereotype at right-center americans.

you can start with staying on topic.

[Donnervogel 0]

Congrats to the americans, they have sure made the right decission for them which historically has been proven to be the contrary of europes more stupid left-winged donkeys desires.

Quite funny how some socialists disguised as tolerants try to find some advantages for Europe in this re-election arguing and saying that Bush has reunited Europe . Really, thats hillarious quite stupid and quite hypocrite.

Well all their bad manners, manipulated info and lies have got what they diserved.

I only feel sorry for Kerry who for sure has a better sense of democracy than many boogies posting here and has told bush on working together so as to turn back the country together.

Cheers.

Oh and:

Well if you look at it objectively Bush did help reuniting Europe. Already forgot the Axis of Weasels? Yeah it consists of two major EU countries (France, Germany) and another power that can have quite some influence on Europe (Russia). If you watched the news you probably noticed that Schröder and Chirac meant more often than Chirac and his wife and they behave like a gay couple. Also Putin joined the merry men a few times. Now if that isn't reuniting europe. (Considering how the french used to hate the germans after the two world wars)

[Colossus 2]

So God Bless Washington State, God bless George Bush, and God Bless America.

So God Bless the people, God bless <s>George Bush</s> John Kerry, and God Bless World.

Now we agree more  

[Hjaldar 0]

Good night America.

But one thing gives me hope - the pictures of people standing in line waiting for their chance to vote. Better luck 2008.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]which historically has been proven to be the contrary of europes more stupid left-winged donkeys desires.

US presidents which were also liked in Europe like F.D.Roosevelt or Clinton were somehow bad choices for America, on what basis?

Quote[/b] ]Quite funny how some socialists disguised as tolerants try to find some advantages for Europe in this re-election arguing and saying that Bush has reunited Europe . Really, thats hillarious quite stupid and quite hypocrite.

Actually there is a seed of truth in that or are you totally blind on people's opinions?

Quote[/b] ]Well all their bad manners, manipulated info and lies have got what they diserved.

That's pretty funny really

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

The right man will continue to be in the right place to be able to get the right job done at the right time.

There is always a reason to defend a president but I do not understand why all his actions are always approved by all republicans.

This is not a rethorical question and I realy would like an answer from your side:

Dont you see any errors in the war in iraq? Or do you say, well there were errors but considering the outcome I can oversee them.

I still dont understand, still after hundred of pages discussing here with people, why a president who initially started a war for the wrong reasons is fully forgiven?

The fact remains, Saddam had no WMD and no democracy has been established in iraq. Fact is that Bush is the reason for at least 100.000 civillian casualties (newest studies). Do you forgive things like this? Do you oversee them? Are those lifes of no importance? Is this the prize to pay for a country to one day get democracy? And why is democracy so important for Iraq and not for Saudi Arabia. And why was Iraq the playground of terorism if none of the terorists of 9/11 were iraqis? And dont you condemn the action to let the Bin Laden family escape?

Do you only judge a war by the amount of american soldiers being killed? What about the promise to "smoke" Bin Laden out of his cave? Two years plus billions and billions of dollars have been wasted to catch those responsible for 9/11. Is it so difficult for the largest military in the world to catch just one man? With precision strikes maybe yes, but noone applied precision strikes on Afghanistan.

I am so surprised you fully follow this man without any point of criticism. You tell me that Bush is a christian but in reality he is leading a real chrisitan jihad, at least that is how the muslim world perceives it?

Do you realy believe that "terorism" can be beaten by killing terorists? Do you realy believe that is the root of the problem?

Maybe one day you understand why the world gets angry when you cry for the fallen "heros" of 9/11, when you call it the greatest human desaster and you rise your american flag and declare that terorists have attacked a peaceful nation.

Judging all humans in the same way I would rather expect you to cry one or the other tear for those 300.000 civillians that have died in your strike against terorism. But none, not even Kerry ever voiced concern about the misery your nation has caused, the only concern was about US soldiers. Just like in Vietnam I know noone in America will ever apologise for it, nor feel sorry.

Sometimes it is realy a shame to live in a western world democracy.

[-33ker 0]

What's all this register to vote stuff about? Here in Germany you get a letter which tells you where to go to vote on election day, all you need is a coupon from the letter and your ID which everyone has. So on election day you just go and vote if you want. Once you're there you only have to make a cross (or several crosses, depends on election) on the ballot and throw it into the ballot box. We vote directly, so that everyone's vote counts and not the number of states the candidates have won. The american voting system could have been appropriate in the 18th century, but is somewhat outdated today.

[MilitiaSniper 0]

It's a great day to be an American and a Republican.

Sincerely, MilitiaSniper

"OFF the WALL team"

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]What's all this register to vote stuff about? Here in Germany you get a letter which tells you where to go to vote on election day, all you need is a coupon from the letter and your ID which everyone has. So on election day you just go and vote if you want. Once you're there you only have to make a cross (or several crosses, depends on election) on the ballot and throw it into the ballot box. We vote directly, so that everyone's vote counts and not the number of states the candidates have won. The american voting system could have been appropriate in the 18th century, but is somewhat outdated today.

Well using your system, Bush wins. Anyway, I found it odd that they did not ask for ID when I went to vote. They ask only for my name, address, and birthday.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

It's a great day to be an American / and a Republican.

As long as you dont intent to leave the country!

[Blake 0]

Schweizer, I'm affraid you're being hopelessly optimistic in expecting any Bush supporter to answer your valid questions. I've watched this thread and all of them to be avoiding issues and just ignoring them.

What I find amusing that some people on this forum still think that war in Vietnam was still worth sacrificing thousands and thousands more American lives and consider Kerry a traitor and he only helped to save lives and stop the war. America had proved it's point, tide of communism was already stemmed enough and it was time to pull out.

[-33ker 0]

Quote[/b] ]What's all this register to vote stuff about? Here in Germany you get a letter which tells you where to go to vote on election day, all you need is a coupon from the letter and your ID which everyone has. So on election day you just go and vote if you want. Once you're there you only have to make a cross (or several crosses, depends on election) on the ballot and throw it into the ballot box. We vote directly, so that everyone's vote counts and not the number of states the candidates have won. The american voting system could have been appropriate in the 18th century, but is somewhat outdated today.

Well using your system, Bush wins. Anyway, I found it odd that they did not ask for ID when I went to vote. They ask only for my name, address, and birthday.

Bu he wouldn't have won 4 years ago.

Answer my question, will you?

[MEDICUS 0]

It's a great day to be an American / and a Republican.

As long as you dont intent to leave the country!

Or try to enter it

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]What's all this register to vote stuff about?

I really do not know. Maybe organization or you could say the registration is like the id to vote.

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

well, looks like it's official ...four more years of BULLSHIT and an almost non-existent foreign policy. I blame the democrats as much as I blame the bush nazies in all honesty we all know Kerry didn't stand a chance..I guess all democrats and independants( like myself) were graspin for straws We can only hope and pray any more REAL threats don't erupt within four years or this nation is in deeeeep shit.

[billybob2002 0]

I hope people notice this....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....arriage

Quote[/b] ]

Voters in 11 States Reject Gay Marriage

58 minutes ago

By LARRY McSHANE, Associated Press Writer

Gay rights activists received a rebuke from the Deep South to North Dakota as voters in 11 states approved constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage in a clean sweep for proponents of traditional one-man, one-woman unions.

"The results just go to show that the citizens ... clearly understand the value of natural marriage," said Christina Rondeau, director of the North Dakota Family Alliance, a group that supported the amendment.

The margin Tuesday in North Dakota was 3-1 in favor — the same as in Georgia and Kentucky as the proposal passed in all 11 states where it was on the ballot. The margin was 6-1 in Mississippi, while the amendment was also approved in Arkansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Montana, Ohio, Oklahoma and Utah.

The issue was put on the ballot in six states through petition drives waged by conservative, church-backed citizens groups. But support of the amendment appeared widespread; in Ohio, it received equal support from men and women, blacks and whites.

Gay-rights activists quickly raised the possibility of court challenges in Georgia, Ohio and Mississippi, although supporters predicted the new laws would hold up.

"Will there be a challenge? Probably, probably," said Monte Stewart of the pro-amendment "Yes on Three Coalition" in Utah. "Will it succeed? No."

The most disappointing outcome for gay activists was in Oregon, where supporters of same-sex marriage felt they had the best chance of success.

For gay rights groups, the one-sided results, while disheartening, were optimistically seen as just one strike in an ongoing fight.

The votes will become "a blip in the longer term historic view," said Karl Olson, executive director of the gay-rights group PRIDE in Montana. "Our constitution isn't going to be able to sustain this kind of restriction on civil rights."

The proposed amendments in Mississippi, Montana and Oregon referred only to marriage, specifying that it should be limited to unions of one man and one woman. The measures in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma and Utah called for a ban on civil unions as well.

"That certainly is disappointing news that many Kentucky voters would think it's appropriate to write discrimination into our constitution," said Beth Wilson of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) of Kentucky.

Earlier this year, voters in Missouri and Louisiana came out in favor of gay marriage ban amendments. Louisiana's amendment was later struck down in state court on the grounds that it improperly dealt with more than one subject by banning not only same-sex marriage but also any legal recognition of common-law relationships, domestic partnerships and civil unions.

Gay-rights activists intend to press marriage-rights lawsuits in states like California and New Jersey, where they believe the high courts might eventually rule in their favor.