Us presidential election 2004

[Bordoy 0]

Sky News Poll

The poll at sky news see Bush in front overall. Usually these polls see Kerry in the lead by about 20% but Bush seems to be infront, but this is not and exit poll and not fully true of american votes.

[Pathy 0]

Quote[/b] ]and I consider your squabble of how americans are war mongering savages even more ammusing and persuasive to those such people you mentioned..... It proves just how split up America truly is in terms of political and moral ideals.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

Oh, and btw, I consider your ridiculous "flag waving patriotism screw anyone that talks bad about the US" attitude a little more fulfilling to Europeans and Middle Easterners. It proves them right.

Thats why i said earlier....its that kind of American attitude that leads to people flying planes into tall buildings. If all Americans could understand or could be bothered to understand other cultures the way Akira does you wouldnt have had a 9/11.

We wouldn't have had 9/11 if Clinton wasn't such a pushover and instead of firing a cruise missile at AQ camps, send in the Deltas and US SOC to vanquish any such meetings from taking place, and having any such people and such groups.

[Pathy 0]

Or you could have just pursued a better foreign policy.....

But of course, violence is the answer, isnt it....

I found it quite funny reading back your denial of Americans being warmongers, then placing it alongside your last statement that you should have gone in and shot them all.....

[Akira 0]

@ Nov. 02 2004,22:54)]and I consider your squabble of how americans are war mongering savages even more ammusing and persuasive to those such people you mentioned..... It proves just how split up America truly is in terms of political and moral ideals.

I love how morals are always brought up.

I would just like to say that my MORALS ain't the ones that ended the lives of 100,000+. Hows that for your morality?

And I know this is tough for you to consider, but my precious post was sarcastic.

FYI:

Quote[/b] ]sar·cas·tic Audio pronunciation of "sarcastic" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sär-kstk)

adj.

1. Expressing or marked by sarcasm.

2. Given to using sarcasm.

[sarc(asm) + -astic as in enthusiastic.]sar·casti·cal·ly adv.

Synonyms: sarcastic, ironic, caustic, satirical, sardonic

These adjectives mean having or marked by a feeling of bitterness and a biting or cutting quality. Sarcastic suggests sharp taunting and ridicule that wounds: “a deserved reputation for sarcastic, acerbic and uninhibited polemics†(Burke Marshall). Ironic implies a subtler form of mockery in which an intended meaning is conveyed obliquely: “a man of eccentric charm, ironic humor, andabove allprofound literary genius†(Jonathan Kirsch). Caustic means corrosive and bitingly trenchant: “The caustic jokes... deal with such diverse matters as political assassination, talk-show hosts, medical ethics†(Frank Rich). Satirical implies exposure, especially of vice or folly, to ridicule: “on the surface a satirical look at commercial radio, but also a study of the misuse of telecommunications†(Richard Harrington). Sardonic is associated with scorn, derision, mockery, and often cynicism: “He was proud, sardonic, harsh to inferiority of every description†(Charlotte Brontë).

More FYI:

Quote[/b] ]mor·al Audio pronunciation of "morals" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (môrl, mr-)

adj.

1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.

2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.

3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.

4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.

5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.

6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.

I assume that is the "morals" you speak of

[denoir 0]

@ Nov. 02 2004,22:58)]We wouldn't have had 9/11 if Clinton wasn't such a pushover and instead of firing a cruise missile at AQ camps, send in the Deltas and US SOC to vanquish any such meetings from taking place, and having any such people and such groups.

Yeah, well, so why havn't your Deltas done it now, with Bush the Wonderful now in power for four years?

Or how come you can't even get that Zarqawi guy who is actually in a country you claim to control?

Really..

[Bordoy 0]

Hey its not all europeans on Kerry's side.

Comments from the world

A few Bush, a few Kerry, a few undecided.

[Pathy 0]

last i heard about of 70% europeans are pro Kerry.

I dont know what opinions you were reading Bordoy but there are only a few pro Bush ones, one of which is from someone in Florida....

[denoir 0]

Sky News Poll

The poll at sky news see Bush in front overall. Usually these polls see Kerry in the lead by about 20% but Bush seems to be infront, but this is not and exit poll and not fully true of american votes.

LOL. Yes, not only is it not an exit poll, but it's an internet poll (meaning that it's only representative of the internet users that chose to vote in that particular one) and not even an American one.

To illustrate, here's an equivalent Swedish poll made by Dagens Nyheter

[Acecombat 0]

@ Nov. 02 2004,22:58)]

Oh, and btw, I consider your ridiculous "flag waving patriotism screw anyone that talks bad about the US" attitude a little more fulfilling to Europeans and Middle Easterners. It proves them right.

Thats why i said earlier....its that kind of American attitude that leads to people flying planes into tall buildings. If all Americans could understand or could be bothered to understand other cultures the way Akira does you wouldnt have had a 9/11.

We wouldn't have had 9/11 if Clinton wasn't such a pushover and instead of firing a cruise missile at AQ camps, send in the Deltas and US SOC to vanquish any such meetings from taking place, and having any such people and such groups.

Yes take it back in time one at a time .. thats real nice... maybe it would have been better if islam hadnt spread at all arabia remained polythiest but wait it would have been even better if Jesus simply didnt preached any religion then there wouldnt have been any religious fundamentalism in american politics today oh no minus Judaism from history tooo ... oh feck it lets get adam out of the way and we'll all be fine.

YEAH!

Moral of story: Stop the buck where it belongs and take responsibility dont pass it along the back otherwise it'll go right to the start ...

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

I found it quite funny reading back your denial of Americans being warmongers, then placing it alongside your last statement that you should have gone in and shot them all.....

since when does stopping known terrorists from bombing another US Destroyer in the middle east, or flying two fully-fueled jet airliners into two massive towers that dwarf New York city. And collapse after a catastophic event called war mongering? One way to have stoped sept. 11 would have been for Clinton to have had a firm resolve and wipe out Osama Bin Laden and the AQ terrorist network. Or maybe he was too busy with his head up Monica's skirt. (no pun intended)

[Pathy 0]

@ Nov. 02 2004,23:08)]

I found it quite funny reading back your denial of Americans being warmongers, then placing it alongside your last statement that you should have gone in and shot them all.....

since when does stopping known terrorists from bombing another US Destroyer in the middle east, or flying two fully-fueled jet airliners into two massive towers that dwarf New York city. And collapse after a catastophic event called war mongering? One way to have stoped sept. 11 would have been for Clinton to have had a firm resolve and wipe out Osama Bin Laden and the AQ terrorist network. Or maybe he was too busy with his head up Monica's skirt. (no pun intended)  

Or another way would have been for a better middle eastern foriegn policy....

It just reads quite funny to have you denying the US is a warmonger on one hand then urging a violent solution on the other.  

Oh do you realise, nothing happens without reason? Probably not, it seems only a small minority of Americans actually consider why they were attacked...the rest seem to just take "We were attacked, lets hit back" as good enough for them. Ironic, considering the strongest supporters of this view are the extreme Christians...are they forgetting their bible? "Turn the other cheek"......anyhow, maybe you will one day stop and think "Hang on, they didnt just decide to start attacking us because they got bored and thought they'd do something particually evil" and start thinking "what did we do against them that drove them to this?"

[Acecombat 0]

To illustrate, here's an equivalent Swedish poll made by Dagens Nyheter

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Denoir whats wrong with 12% of the swedish community  

Quote[/b] ]Or how come you can't even get that Zarqawi guy who is actually in a country you claim to control?

This Zarqawi guy is a freakin cat he has many lives i mean hes survived PRECISION bombing strikes by USAF in 3 countries now and still lives to tell the tale.

By the way whos voted at here yet us non americans can vote their too.

http://www.us-election.org/

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

@ Nov. 02 2004,22:58)]We wouldn't have had 9/11 if Clinton wasn't such a pushover and instead of firing a cruise missile at AQ camps, send in the Deltas and US SOC to vanquish any such meetings from taking place, and having any such people and such groups.

Yeah, well, so why havn't your Deltas done it now, with Bush the Wonderful now in power for four years?

Or how come you can't even get that Zarqawi guy who is actually in a country you claim to control?

Really..

Because now we don't know where Osama is whereas in the Clinton administration we knew exactly where he was and our resolve was to send a cruise missile as a early christmas present to him....Which unfourtunatly for the US public and the sep. 11 victims didn't work out the way they wanted to.

[Bordoy 0]

Sky News Poll

The poll at sky news see Bush in front overall. Usually these polls see Kerry in the lead by about 20% but Bush seems to be infront, but this is not and exit poll and not fully true of american votes.

LOL. Yes, not only is it not an exit poll, but it's an internet poll (meaning that it's only representative of the internet users that chose to vote in that particular one) and not even an American one.

To illustrate, here's an equivalent Swedish poll made by Dagens Nyheter

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Just goes too show how bloody close its gonna be. i wasnt trying to say everone like Bush but thats how you took it and it may as well stay that way now init.

and 14% to vote nader? yer right. You guys are just voting on the war issue.

[Bordoy 0]

To illustrate, here's an equivalent Swedish poll made by Dagens Nyheter

Quote[/b] ]Or how come you can't even get that Zarqawi guy who is actually in a country you claim to control?

This Zarqawi guy is a freakin cat he has many lives i mean hes survived PRECISION bombing strikes by USAF in 3 countries now and still lives to tell the tale.

By the way whos voted at here yet us non americans can vote their too.

http://www.us-election.org/

I have. for Bush

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[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]If all Americans could understand or could be bothered to understand other cultures the way Akira does you wouldnt have had a 9/11.

Well, I have to disagree a bit here. Looking at the perpetrators of 9/11 you can hardly consider them as devoted islamistic fanatics or champions against US policies as they lived pretty secular lives and even went for some drinks before the night before attacks took place. As for Osama Bin Laden, the mastermind, he was basically rich young Saudi when he went to Afganistan but then got pissed off at the US for deploying troops in Saudi-Arabia before the Gulf War.

Maybe there was some hatred towards US support to Israel but hardly it was the decisive factor behind his motives.

In the light of 90s US Mid-east policies I hardly see any particular acts that would made the resulting terror attacks after the Gulf War somehow understandable from standpoint of US foreign policy. Thus, I don't really see what could have been done differently to prevent the tragic events from happening. Clinton was working hard to get the Mid-East peace process going and US military presence had to be maintained in the Gulf to contain Saddam Hussein's possible ambitions. As for UN sanctions and No-Fly Zones over Iraq, why would Osama have cared about he was the devoted enemy of Saddam Hussein. So I hardly I don't see any concrete means which would have made a difference unless you go far back in the history of US Middle-East policies, to the Nixon-Ford-Carter-Reagan -era.

[Colossus 2]

To illustrate, here's an equivalent Swedish poll made by Dagens Nyheter

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This poll is from VG (Norwegian)

Edit:

Kerry = 262 and Bush = 261

[Apollo 0]

I gonna be happy when this whole ellection bussiness will be over ,personally i'm quite tired of the effects of campaigning technique's put there by people like Karl rove and Rupert Murdoch.

Whether or not the Republicans are wrong or right i won't discuss that for the moment (because it would just spawn a whole endless discussion yet again) ,but i want to voice my oppinion on the filthy campaigning technique's of the Republican's ,it really bottles the mind.

-If Kerry Has any idea's that touches almost basic freedom rights of Americans ,he's a "extreme-left pot smoking hippy liberal"

-If Kerry changes an oppinion of his because he came to the conclusion that the previous one was wrong ,he's a "flip-flopper" and that is "very bad"

-If Kerry doesn't take an outspoken stance on some specific moral issue ,he's "indicive" wich is "very bad"

-Because Kerry had a good war record in Vietnam and Bush didn't "someone not liked to Bush at all" decided to start a smear campaign against that war past

-If Kerry doesn't vote yes for every new costly weapon proposed to the senate he's a peacenik" ,unpatriotic or whatever you want

and Bush:

-Is a good war president: Just becuase you create youre own stupid war you can be called a good war president and that aids you in ellection ,is he a good war president because he fight's it himself with a rifle? Because he sends in fresh new youngsters from school into Iraq every so time? Because he declares a war over just when the insurgency has yet to start? Because he declars a war against the will of most of the international community?

-Is a conpasionate Conservative: Unless youre gay ,liberal ,poor , sentenced to death in Texas ,...

-Is better for jobs ,middle class ,the economy in general: While he made the biggest deficit since decade's coming from a budget surpless ,lowered taxes mostly for the rich ,let the dolar fall to a record low ,...

do i need to continue?

Really ,When the neoconservatives are campaigning ,they really don't want to talk about the deeper political issue's.

The Key is repeat as much as possible simplistic postive remarks about Bush and repeat as much as possible simplistic negative remarks about the opponent withought actually given a fundamented bases why these remarks would be true.

Does anyone really know still how much times we heard such terms as "Good war president" , "flip-flopper" , "9/11 & extreme terrorist threat threatening the lives of every American civilian"

, "compasionate Conservative" , "far-left liberal" and what not? Must exceed the 10.000's by far.Don't explain these term's ,just repead them long enough by as many as puppets possible and many people will believe them.

Really ,i wonder if Fox news would argue for 4 months that cows are really Blue and Yellow with red stripe's that half the Bush supporters wouldn't believe it.

Fox presentator: Cows are really blue and yellow with red stipe's! We now go to our reporter in Kentucky!

Yeees Bill , Cows are really blue and yellow with red stripes ,we have with us here Professor Bernard Lavachequirit Phd ,Bernard?

Bernard: Yes ,over 1500 study's made by independant organizations have shown out that cows are really Blue and yellow with red stripes

reporter: How long have cows been blue and yellow with red stripes?

Bernard: Study's have shown out that cows have been blue and yellow with red stripes for very long ,one could almost say that that cows have been blue and yellow with red stripes from the begining

reporter: You see bill , Cows are really blue and yellow with red stripes!

Presentator : You see people ,cows are really blue and yellow with red stripes ,and after the brake were going to see how blue ,how yellow and how red stripy cows realy are ,see you after the brake! (smiling face)

Btw: about the foreign Us ellection poll's ,here's a link to an article that shows the massive pro Kerry oppinion in about the whole of Europe:

Europeans really want Kerry

[Bordoy 0]

On us-election.org. Its close in Russia 47% Bush 44%Kerry, take a flight to Germany and 7% Bush 81% kerry.

[Pathy 0]

Country Results

United States

Total Votes: 9,439

BUSH: 2,322 Votes

25%

KERRY: 6,050 Votes

64%

From that online vote thing.....according to that Bush is getting his arse kicked....but then its only a online vote...shame...

[Bordoy 0]

Country Results

United States

Total Votes: 9,439

BUSH: 2,322 Votes

25%

KERRY: 6,050 Votes

64%

From that online vote thing.....according to that Bush is getting his arse kicked....but then its only a online vote...shame...

total vote as well 9,439. nowhere near 100million

[Bernadotte 0]

I ain't easy getting through to www.electoral-vote.com today.  But I did reach their predicted outcome page which applies the following set of rules to the most recent polling data:

- Voters who have already made a choice will stick to it.

- The undecideds will break 2:1 for the challenger (Kerry).

- In states where Nader is on the ballot, he will get 1%.

- The minor candidates such as Badnarik, Cobb, etc. will get 1% of the vote.

The outcome of this would be:

306 Kerry

218 Bush

14 Tie

Adding up only the results that are outside the margin of error gives:

251 Kerry

189 Bush

Is that the fat lady I hear singing?  

[Bordoy 0]

Electoral Vote Predictor 2004:   Kerry 262   Bush 261

Closer then yesterday, and as i predicted its starting to swing back in Bush favour. C'mon Bush only 9 more electoral votes.

[Colossus 2]

Country Results

United States

Total Votes: 9,439

BUSH: 2,322 Votes

25%

KERRY: 6,050 Votes

64%

From that online vote thing.....according to that Bush is getting his arse kicked....but then its only a online vote...shame...

total vote as well 9,439. nowhere near 100million

Same goes with the European meaning on that site, they are too low to prow that the european people would have voted for Kerry or Bush. But offical statistic shows that Kerry is a big "fan".