Moscow attack kills 40

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Many dead in Moscow metro blast

About 40 people have died and more than 100 were injured in a suspected suicide attack on a packed Moscow subway train.

The blast happened at the height of rush hour in the second carriage of the train as it entered a tunnel from Paveletskaya station.

Smoke filled the tunnel, Interfax reported, and hundreds of passengers were evacuated.

If the explosion is confirmed as a bomb attack, suspicion is likely to fall on separatist militants from Chechnya.

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[ BBC ]

[ozanzac 0]

Just saw some footage on the news, terrible news, condolences to the family and freinds of the victims.

[MEDICUS 0]

Quote[/b] ]MOSCOW, Russia

Russian officials have opened a terrorism investigation into an underground explosion on a Moscow metro train that killed at least 22 people and injured more than 70 others.

The blast ripped apart a metro train car during morning rush hour, which was traveling from Paveletskaya station to Avtozavodskaya station, southwest of the city center, at around 8:40 a.m. (12:40 a.m. ET), a spokesman for the Ministry of Emergency Situations said.

Rescue workers evacuated many of the injured from the subway tunnel and are still recovering remains.

So far, 22 victims have been identified but the Ministry of Emergency Situations expects the death toll to rise.

Russia's deputy interior minister said the bomb may have been placed in a briefcase or backpack.

There may be surveillance video showing two "suspicious" people -- a man and a woman -- boarding the train with briefcases, Russia's Interfax News Agency reported, citing police sources.

Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned the blast, calling it terrorism.

"Only with the united efforts of the world community can we deal with this plague of this 21st century," Putin said, according to Interfax news agency.

The president said he would not exclude the possibility that terrorists were trying to pressure the Russian leadership ahead of March elections, and restated his position that the government would never negotiate with terrorists, Interfax reported.

Two men covered in blood told CNN's Anastasia Anashkina they walked through the dark tunnel shortly after the explosion to the Paveletskaya station's exit. They said the powerful force of the blast shattered the windows of the connecting train cars.

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Another horrible (terrorist?) attack! I hope the situation in russia won't get worse, especialle because the "presidantial electians" aren't too far away. Some of the russian politicans even tought about "declareing a state of emergency"!

[Gollum1 0]

Oh no, that's terrible. The closest people I can offer my condolences to are the Russians on this forum.

I wonder what the reaction will be?

[void_false 1]

There is no safe place on this planet anymore.

[cozza 24]

Safe in Australia.

condolences for the Russian familys that lost loved ones.

Once I think about. Noone is safe. No one shall die from going home. Makes me sick

[Tim Pink 0]

Australia isnt safe at all.

were a target just like everyone else.

and thats coming from sum1 who lives here.

Condolences to all the familys involved.

How tragic are these times we live in

Tim

[EiZei 0]

Im safe, I doubt any AQ members can locate Finland on map not to mention find a populated enough place to strike.

[Gollum1 0]

Im safe, I doubt any AQ members can locate Finland on map not to mention find a populated enough place to strike.

Maybe not AQ members, but maybe chemistry geeks with a keen interest in bomb-making. *wink wink*

For the uninformed, I'm referring to the mall bombing in the Helsinki area in 2003 where 7 people died and dozens were injured.

[Dauragon 0]

There is no safe place on this planet anymore.

Switzerland

[bn880 5]

Some of the russian politicans even tought about "declareing a state of emergency"!

Well you know, they are at war, so it seems rather strange that they are not always in a state of emergency. Then when you consider the unequal match of force it becomes clear. Same deal as US wars.

[MEDICUS 0]

Well you know, they are at war, so it seems rather strange that they are not always in a state of emergency.

Yes. But afaik not official. (But i don't know the exact name of what they are "doing" in Chechnya).

Anyway ... it's a realy bad (and i think dangerouse) sitation in russia ... in the past and now. And it is feared that the future won't be better if they can't find a solution with the Chechnyans.

[soul_assassin 1750]

Well you know, they are at war, so it seems rather strange that they are not always in a state of emergency.

Yes. But afaik not official. (But i don't know the exact name of what they are "doing" in Chechnya).

Anyway ... it's a realy bad (and i think dangerouse) sitation in russia ... in the past and now. And it is feared that the future won't be better if they can't find a solution with the Chechnyans.

You guys keep talking like chechniya is another country or anything that i sbeing invaded. ITS NOT its a republic which is a part of the russian federation thus russia is allowed to hold military operations against illegal terrorist groups. Chechniya will never be resolved in the near future, just too much money in it.

[denoir 0]

There is no safe place on this planet anymore.

100% safe, no. Never have been, never will be.

There is however a reasonable correlation to the political and military activity of a country and the amount of terrorism it is subjected to.

[Foxtrot87 0]

Last news from Russian news agency NTV: 39 people dead, 113 injured. Damn, i wanted to go to Paveletskaya today at just 8:40 I'm glad i didn't. Condolences to the families of the dead.

[Tovarish 0]

I wonder what the reaction will be?

Apparently Moscow has a fairly sizeable Chechen community. Right now I wouldn't want to be part of it.

[bn880 5]

Well you know, they are at war, so it seems rather strange that they are not always in a state of emergency.

Yes. But afaik not official. (But i don't know the exact name of what they are "doing" in Chechnya).

Anyway ... it's a realy bad (and i think dangerouse) sitation in russia ... in the past and now. And it is feared that the future won't be better if they can't find a solution with the Chechnyans.

You guys keep talking like chechniya is another country or anything that i sbeing invaded. ITS NOT its a republic which is a part of the russian federation thus russia is allowed to hold military operations against illegal terrorist groups. Chechniya will never be resolved in the near future, just too much money in it.

It is being invaded, what are you talking about... when APC's and troops roll in and are being challenged it means it is being invaded. If the muslims want independence then why don't you leave them alone? If Quebec here wants independence they can have it...

You still have a war. Enjoy.

[ran 0]

Well you know, they are at war, so it seems rather strange that they are not always in a state of emergency.

Yes. But afaik not official. (But i don't know the exact name of what they are "doing" in Chechnya).

Anyway ... it's a realy bad (and i think dangerouse) sitation in russia ... in the past and now. And it is feared that the future won't be better if they can't find a solution with the Chechnyans.

You guys keep talking like chechniya is another country or anything that i sbeing invaded. ITS NOT its a republic which is a part of the russian federation thus russia is allowed to hold military operations against illegal terrorist groups. Chechniya will never be resolved in the near future, just too much money in it.

It is being invaded, what are you talking about... when APC's and troops roll in and are being challenged it means it is being invaded. If the muslims want independence then why don't you leave them alone? If Quebec here wants independence they can have it...

You still have a war. Enjoy.

with a signle state leaving the federation, the federation will implode

and i'm sure there are some economical interests around .....

guess why we fought to keep Algeria while we gave Morocco and Tunisia their independance .....

once the fights in Algeria were almost "done" and troubles starting in other colonies, we've been forced to give most of our colonies in Africa to avoid any more trouble and stay in good terms with puppet regimes we have had set up

[bn880 5]

Yeah but you have to notice this confict has been going on for a long time, and it's not a small time thing, it's pretty much a war.

I know it's complicated, but I think it would be better to negotiate and agree to some terms with the seperatists than fight them. Logic is not a strong point of most people, this is the reason they fight when they can gain more with negotiations and open discussion.

EDIT: You can compromise to cut the land in proportion to seperatis support and give them control over that. And tell them they are welcome back when they freeze their ass off.

[bn880 5]

I think I can agree though that this is not nearly as serious as what the US does by going out of their way to cause havoc across the world. Sorry if it came across that way, because clearly this is not like Afghanistan or Iraq for US.

[ralphwiggum 6]

and you can't just keep discussion on topic right?

just because some want separation or annexation doesn't mean that they should get them. for example if I want part of Canada would you agree with me?(no, not Quebec )

Or since Hitler 'annexed' Poland, it is only correct that it does since he wanted it?

Just because there are some loud-noise-making-people asking for a piece of land, doesn't mean the wish has to be granted.

[Tovarish 0]

 If Quebec here wants independence they can have it...

You still have a war.  Enjoy.  

Yeah Right. FLQ crisis? War Measures Act? The French president unceremoniously kicked out of Canada when he proclaimed at a speech in Quebec "Vive le Quebec Libre!" Any of that ring a bell?

*edit*

These days perhaps, it's a lot more likely that if a vast majority of Quebecer's want to separate (which isn't the case anyway after they've realized that no, they can't keep Canada's passport and currency ) it would be more likely. But what's different? The separatists are trying through lawful means, and abandoned the FLQ's tactics. The Chechen's haven't, and aren't likely to. Hell, they had defacto independence in the mid 90's and screwed it up by stirring up this BS again.

[ran 0]

Yeah but you have to notice this confict has been going on for a long time, and it's not a small time thing, it's pretty much a war.

I know it's complicated, but I think it would be better to negotiate and agree to some terms with the seperatists than fight them. Logic is not a strong point of most people, this is the reason they fight when they can gain more with negotiations and open discussion.

EDIT: You can compromise to cut the land in proportion to seperatis support and give them control over that. And tell them they are welcome back when they freeze their ass off.

crisis in algeria was brewing since the end of WW2 with the appearance of independentist groups, it took something like 15 years to reach the flashpoint of the crisis which led to war

[akm74 1]

Quote[/b] ]If the muslims want independence then why don't you leave them alone?

Russian already did it in 1996. Before Chechens invade neighboring Dagestan in 1999.

[bn880 5]

and you can't just keep discussion on topic right?

just because some want separation or annexation doesn't mean that they should get them. for example if I want part of Canada would you agree with me?(no, not Quebec )

Or since Hitler 'annexed' Poland, it is only correct that it does since he wanted it?

Just because there are some loud-noise-making-people asking for a piece of land, doesn't mean the wish has to be granted.

The topic is the conflict between Russian Federation and Chechnyan seperatist militants afaik. Unless this attack really is not related to this like the rebel leader states.

You can't discuss the results without the causes, otherwise you are making a journey into the dark my friend.