coporal_punishment 0 Posted November 25, 2003 It exists its just that the link Hawk has given is his personal FTP which is passworded and hence no one can d/l it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZXSHADOWS 0 Posted November 25, 2003 So has anyone found a working link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SNIPER_SKULL 0 Posted November 25, 2003 i want it so damn bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OG_Killer 0 Posted November 25, 2003 The link is working for me no problems Try it out Challenger OG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Must have just been fixed. Okay, got it, let's have a closer look... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Preliminary report: Wrong MG aside, and the US flags on the crew, the battlefield has a new boss! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OG_Killer 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Good: You can Camo the Tank over the actionmenu It can fire smoke Not so good: The sound could be louder The Armor Values i think are to high No readme included!! OG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coporal_punishment 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Cheers thnx for the headsup OG_killer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tankieboy 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Good:You can Camo the Tank over the actionmenu It can fire smoke Not so good: The sound could be louder The Armor Values i think are to high No readme included!! OG I think the armour values are good as it is chobham. The gun needs upgrading as it takes three or more shots to kill a T72! Whats with the Callsign? The crew are not a problem but they should be MIB's! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sniperuk02 0 Posted November 25, 2003 ofp.info has a mirrir of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Consigliere 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Beautiful model, excellent textures, but I wish they were realistic textures...By this I mean if only it were in a camo scheme I'd seen before, like British Army, or Desert Storm scheme I really like the recoil when you fire the main gun, and the way the tank rocks when it gets hit by an AT missile, even more than standard BIS armour I don't really like the sights though.The lines get in the way when you're trying to aim and I'd do away with the RANGE and AMMO. But I really like this addon, splendid quality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Good:You can Camo the Tank over the actionmenu It can fire smoke Not so good: The sound could be louder The Armor Values i think are to high No readme included!! OG I think the armour values are good as it is chobham. The gun needs upgrading as it takes three or more shots to kill a T72! Whats with the Callsign? The crew are not a problem but they should be MIB's! The armour should be at least as strong as an M1A1, but the Challenger should be a fair bit slower. It took an M1A1 over a stretch of road at full speed, the run lasted 45 seconds. The Challenger doing the same run took 47 seconds. perhaps it could be slower. As for the gun, it's as powerful as the 120mm on the M1A1, so no complaints there. When the British Army built the Challenger, they tried both weapons, and decided to stick with the L11, so I can't imagine there's a significant difference in performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Garritos 0 Posted November 25, 2003 the gun that the challenger uses is rifled so it accually shoots further than the smoothbore M1A1 gun. armour should be equal to the m1a1 b/c they both use the same choban armour... although some say the brittish save the best choban for their own tanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 25, 2003 the gun that the challenger uses is rifled so it accually shoots further than the smoothbore M1A1 gun. Â armour should be equal to the m1a1 b/c they both use the same choban armour... although some say the brittish save the best choban for their own tanks. When you're using Sabot, rifling is irrelevant, since spin can be given to the round by fins on the penetrator. It would however make a difference to the accuracy of the HESH rounds carried. I doubt the armour of the Challenger 1 is up to the standard of the latest Abrams models, but then, there is the Challenger 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonko the sane 2 Posted November 25, 2003 i like it when the AI use the smoke grenades when they get hit...shame it doesnt affect the enemy AI As said before the optics are a bit dodgy for my taste as when u zoom in and need to elevate cannon one looses sight of target. but i really really like this addon with its very cool features,very good tank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
munger 25 Posted November 25, 2003 On StrategyPage.com everyone's talking about how the Challenger 2 is more armoured than any other tank because it has Dorchester armour which is a supposed upgrade to Chobham. I'd never heard of Dorchester armour before reading that. Anyone got any info on this? Oh and back on topic, very nice addon indeed Hawk. If you're reading this, PLEASE UPGRADE YOUR 2S19 TO USE COC ARTY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tankieboy 0 Posted November 25, 2003 The gunners sight is a complete fabrication as the stadia looks nothing like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eviscerator 0 Posted November 25, 2003 No information on what the Dorchester armour is, but apparently it is used: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/challenger2.htm And a forum post on this page: http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-49547 And another here which is probably the one you're talking about: http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/2-2083.asp Not really any definitive answer on what it is or the capability of it, but it does seem to be better than the armour on the Abrams' in the gulf at the minute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DKM Jaguar 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Good:You can Camo the Tank over the actionmenu It can fire smoke Not so good: The sound could be louder The Armor Values i think are to high No readme included!! OG I think the armour values are good as it is chobham. The gun needs upgrading as it takes three or more shots to kill a T72! Whats with the Callsign? The crew are not a problem but they should be MIB's! The armour should be at least as strong as an M1A1, but the Challenger should be a fair bit slower. It took an M1A1 over a stretch of road at full speed, the run lasted 45 seconds. The Challenger doing the same run took 47 seconds. perhaps it could be slower. As for the gun, it's as powerful as the 120mm on the M1A1, so no complaints there. When the British Army built the Challenger, they tried both weapons, and decided to stick with the L11, so I can't imagine there's a significant difference in performance. L11 is centurion's 105mm gun. THe challenger uses the 120mm rifled Xl-30 gun fireing two piece ammunition. This gun is thought bby many to be the most powerful and accurate tank gun in service. However I could be confusing it with Challenger 2, inwhich case a tank expert will kick me in the arse and correct me, hopefully. Downloading now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 25, 2003 The L7 is the centurion's 105mm gun. The Challenger 1 used the L11 120mm gun, the same weapon as mounted on the Chieftain. The Challenger 2 does use a new 120mm, also rifled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DKM Jaguar 0 Posted November 25, 2003 The L7 is the centurion's 105mm gun. The Challenger 1 used the L11 120mm gun, the same weapon as mounted on the Chieftain. The Challenger 2 does use a new 120mm, also rifled. Doh.. sorry. :P The challenger 2 gun is deinetly the XL-30.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted November 25, 2003 Hi all I always find in these type of questions you are best to go to the original source. http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/av/av_ch2.htm As well as this info they have an excelent photo library with many other pictures of all their equipment and deployment in the field. You need to register to see the pictures. Please note that using pictures from the British Ministry of Defence sites requires permmision. The CoC has licence permission to use British Ministry of Defence images but on our own site only. So please ensure you dont break Crown Copyright as they employ the best lawyers in whatever countries they fight a case but that should not stop people getting all the correct info for creating textures. Generaly this should be your prime source for info on the British Armed Forces. Kind Regards Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stag 0 Posted November 26, 2003 Speedwise, I checked again over a fixed distance, in this case the Tonal International Airport and Drag Strip (Runway 1): As you can see, it took the Challenger considerably longer to complete the course. Aside from the MG and the bright textures, I think this is spot on. The texture colour could possibly be fixed simply by converting the properties to "Always in Shadow." Quote[/b] ]The crew are not a problem but they should be MIB's! Are they available, if so, where? The US crew can always be replaced with a "movein*" command. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevbaz 0 Posted November 26, 2003 i really like this, bout time we had some decent armour only gripes are the gun optics, and the textures, photo textures and then poory patched up in the places is couldnt map to from the side on piccy, but applying the camoflage hides that, but still would be good if they got improoved nice job though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
