nycgamer 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Which shooting games do you think have raised the bar and why do you pick them specifically? Are there any future shooters coming out that you think will raise the bar even higher? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted September 29, 2003 duh! OFP! moving ot OT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluesman 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Is this now or historically? For FPS in general I'd say Doom but more recently OFP of course. In the future HL2?, Doom3? OFP2 of course . BM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted September 29, 2003 Delta Force 1 and 2 were the trend-setters in military FPS's, attempting to offer semi-realism, large terrains and serious MP possibilities. OFP mopped the floor with them and everything similar that's come out since. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snypa UK 0 Posted September 29, 2003 OFP is certainly the best military game but the MP interface is not as blatantly simple as many UBI and novalogic games. this is nit picking but ghost recon does a better job of special operations missions no metal gear solid esque missions and the AI is more fun to play against they use cover and shoot innacurately and there is suppressing fire used in GR. on the other hand OFP has massive combined arms engagements which GR does not reproduce at all neither does GR have the atmosphere. yes it is nerve racking at times but its not atmosphere like hearing the radio crackling "tanks inbound" then watching a platoon of tanks come over the hill and think OH S**T!!. frankly OFP has the best moments of any game i have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snypa UK 0 Posted September 29, 2003 OFP and GR for the reasons above Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apocalypse4 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Half Life upped AI... flashpoint was one of the first combat where linear gameplay had been replaced with some freedom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArchangelSKT 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Games like : Hidden and dangerous 1 Rainbow six Spec ops also deserves to be mentioned in my opinion . Small squad tactical shooters . ( Waiting for " UZI " to appear and mention " Seal Team " ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamme 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Half-Life upped AI and it forced developers to think about the story and depth in first person shooters too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerTooTH 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Not to be too much of a jerk by putting a twist on things, but IL-2 is an awesome shooting game. Quite realistic, although they fnebbed IL2FB with the latest patch. Oh well. But yes, as far as FPS' are concerned, OFP ranks highly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted September 29, 2003 Talking at least in the same genre (not solely as fps) I would have to agree completely with Avon, DF1 & DF2 then Opf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluesman 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Actually INFILTRATION (mod for UT) was one of the most realistic shooters before OFP(first one to use iron sights for instance). It didn't have all the cheaters of DF either. That mod actually started development before CS. I know many INF players went on to OFP. DF probably had the worst single player AI I have ever seen btw. BM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArchangelSKT 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Actually INFILTRATION (mod for UT) was one of the most realistic shooters before OFP(first one to use iron sights for instance). It didn't have all the cheaters of DF either. That mod actually started development before CS.I know many INF players went on to OFP. DF probably had the worst single player AI I have ever seen btw. BM Hidden and dangerous 1 had iron-sights too , don`t remember if it was before the UT mod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 29, 2003 The original castle Wolfenstein of course Doom was the next big step and finally Quake which introduced the first real 3d. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toadlife 3 Posted September 29, 2003 Hidden and Dangerous. The ironsights in the Original version (before they removed them in devil's bridge ) were the best I've ever seen. It was a very difficult game, with incredible atmosphere. And of course, Operation Flashpoint was the only game that could fill the void that Hidden and Dangerous left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted September 29, 2003 i agree with denoir that retrun to castle Wolfenstein 3d did leave a mark, as did Doom series. however, that legacy is propagating enough brainless noobs who thinks they can run around shoot with accuracy. R6 series were something that deserves recognition. But OFP set a new standard because 1. area size 2. balance of realism that is yet to be overcome(ballistics, engagements) 3. AIs that are not bound by area or pre-determined actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluesman 0 Posted September 29, 2003 Doom and Wolf3d had entirelly different goals than OFP. Their main goal was fun gameplay and easy to learn/enjoy. They definatelly succeded there. Plus, Doom raised the bar extremelly high compared to what existed before. Doom2 probably did more for increase in number of Internet accounts than even porn did . Not to mention influencing dramatic increase in gpu developments. BM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanctuary 19 Posted September 29, 2003 My history in this kind of game is simple in this order -1st Hunter for Atari 520ST (the father of those games for me) then nothing more in that kind of game for some years -2nd Delta Force (awesome huge scale game, i even started a squad with some friends for it) -3rd Delta Force 2 (good game, but at its time , i had not a good enough system to play it smoothly) -4th Delta Force : Land Warrior (despite it was very smooth , it highly disapointed me as it was even more arcade-ish than DF1&2 , never bought any DF game after that) -5th Ghost Recon and its expansions Desert Siege Island Thunder : great games very interesting SP missions, despite i was not fan of the R6-like reticle -6th Operation Flashpoint : for me, the new standard of this kind of game , it will be difficult to be better. In the mod category , i agree that Infiltration is one of the best thing that was created on unreal engine. I heard that the last version of this mod will be out very soon (after +/- 2 years of development) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Frenchman 0 Posted September 29, 2003 How can you people forget MoH and MGS?!?!? Well here is my list: 1995: Lords of the Realm: A friend of mine had this game and we used to piss the other kings off by sending bad letters to them. 1996: Age of Empires: I loved that game until Empire Earth came out. 1997-Syphon Filter 1 & 2: Hey, I was a fan of the SF series! I loved killing those terrorists with air tasers! 1997-Jurassic Park:The Lost World for PS:: Smart dinosaurs and kick @ss music. 1998-Metal Gear Solid: I thought it was neat that the enemy could hear you and you could snap thier necks. 1999-Medal of Honor:: People throw grenades and kick @ss music. 2000-Medal of Honor Underground : Kick @ss music and the main character is French! 2001: Operation Flashpoint released but I never heard of it. 2002: Medal of Honor:Allied Assault:: My favorite PC game for almost a year. Late 2002:: I find out about OFP, I beg my parrents for it for christmas but I get GR instead! Feb 2003:: I finnaly get OFP! April 2003: I get resistance! June 2003:: I get Splinter Cell and I am amazed by the graphics. My current favorite on console games(that and SOCOM ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NurEinMensch 0 Posted September 29, 2003 What denoir said, except I'd throw Ultima Underworld (1+2) into it, although they are a completely different genre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluesman 0 Posted September 29, 2003 I have a hard time seeing what games like AOE, Lords of the Realm and Ultima has to do with shooters. Might as well mention the one and only.... 1977 - Pong. BM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killswitch 19 Posted September 29, 2003 How can you people forget MoH and MGS?!?!? Answer: Quote[/b] ]Which shooting games do you think have raised the bar... MoH:AA follows the Half-Life heritage in that it is a "story-line fps", but other than that... If we were to discuss "enjoyable games based on a Hollywood-induced hype", the MoH franchise would fit in fine. Â MGS, on the other hand, I haven't played, so I'll take your word for it. My take on games that brought fresh blood to the genre: Deus Ex and Max Payne (FPS Noir, so to speak). Add Mafia to the list. In the near future? We'll have to see... And for a slight thread derailing, my nominations for "other genres" are:<ul> [*] Jet sims: Falcon 4 (eventually, that is). The standard. [*] Prop sims: IL-2. Without a doubt. Then UBI-soft politics got to them... (Witness the destruction of the RS6 franchise in RvS) [*] War games: Allied Assault: Red Devils over Arnhem. Be gone, foul hexes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted September 29, 2003 There was an old Amiga game years back that had you travelling by foot or various vehicles, was it Midwinter? Edit: Yup it was, awesome game, 13 years old http://www.classicgaming.com/amigareviews/midwint1.htm Hmmm this sounds a bit familiar....... Quote[/b] ]The idea of having a massive, mysterious landscape to explore in glorious 3-D, together with a very strong strategic challenge, is a wonderful idea that Mike Singleton has executed perfectly. Travelling across the icy wastes is an enchanting experience in itself, without having to tackle buggies and aircraft, or worry about the main objective. The polygons work perfectly with zero perspective or update problems. The graphic effect of skiing up the side of a high hill and pausing to look out over the landscape, viewing distant hills and villages just has to be experienced to be believed. The most atmospheric, utterly magnificent game I've played (and will play) all year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NurEinMensch 0 Posted September 29, 2003 I have a hard time seeing what games like AOE, Lords of the Realm and Ultima has to do with shooters.Might as well mention the one and only.... 1977 - Pong. BM Because some of them had influence on the developement of FPS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
