Sweden decides

[denoir 0]

Bah, you're surrounded by water. We're more or less surronded by water and Norwegians. Not much better  

Ok, I suppose living on a real island raises your inbreeding quotient but for all other practical issues it's the same.

But seriously: how do you Britons refer to "over there in Europe"? In Sweden it's generally "nere i Europa" meaning "down in Europe". Do you have some equivalent expression?

[Crazysheep 1]

Since you seem to be almost the only one who welcomes the outcome of this vote, can you maybe explaine why exactly you think it's a good think if Sweden doen't become part of the EMU?

Probably because he's British.

Altering a classic line; "No EMU thanks we are British".

The Swedish equivalent should read "No to everything, we are Swedish"

Hey, that's not fair. I'm British but I'm pro-Euro.

[Crazysheep 1]

But seriously: how do you Britons refer to "over there in Europe"? In Sweden it's generally "nere i Europa" meaning "down in Europe". Do you have some equivalent expression?

I generally say "on the continent."

[Jinef 2]

As do i.

You are all 'on the continent'.

Oh yes i forgot, I am pro Euro too. I would really like the day trips to amsterdam (???) without any hassle of changing currency.

[ralphwiggum 6]

well denoir,

1. Swedish hockey team lost

2. euro won't be there for sometime

3. IKEA is only thing that is about right in sweden.

guess it's only logical to move to the continent. j/k

[JAP 2]

well denoir,

1. Swedish hockey team lost

2. euro won't be there for sometime

3. IKEA is only thing that is about right in sweden.

guess it's only logical to move to the continent.  j/k

You re wrong Ralph !!!!

Ikea is crooked too

Saw a nice bed in their catalogue last week was about 3-400€

Came down there, same bed was over 800€ !!!

Seems you had to pay for the sides and back and headboard etc ....

Or was it Krona to € conversion

But seeing my current bed ( also from Ikea ) still lives -after 12 years !!! -, and i have it already from my really really wild years ... so it s been tested alot i m gonna buy it anyway at Ikea

[Bordoy 0]

Since you seem to be almost the only one who welcomes the outcome of this vote, can you maybe explaine why exactly you think it's a good think if Sweden doen't become part of the EMU?

Probably because he's British.

Altering a classic line; "No EMU thanks we are British".

The Swedish equivalent should read "No to everything, we are Swedish"

Though he isn't all that alone. I read that 70% in UK would vote no to Euro at this moment. They have good company from a majority of Swedes atm.

BM

See, i'm not alone. Tony Blair has even said he can't win if there is a vote.

[NurEinMensch 0]

I was refering to the people on this board, most of them are pro Euro. I was just asking you to give us more informations why you are against it to help us understand your position.

[denoir 0]

Oh the irony. Our PM had the formal declaration of government today. He announced that as a result of the no to Euro the government will compensate by following the recommendations of the ECB more strictly. First step would be lowered taxes and some cutdowns in the welfare system. This was exactly the thing that the no side was claiming would happen if we introduced the Euro.

So where are we now? We blindly follow the ECB but without any possibility of influencing the decision.

I would have said "serves them well" but I'm going to take the consequences of that too

[JAP 2]

Oh the irony. Our PM had the formal declaration of government today. He announced that as a result of the no to Euro the government will compensate by following the recommendations of the ECB more strictly. First step would be lowered taxes and some cutdowns in the welfare system. This was exactly the thing that the no side was claiming would happen if we introduced the Euro.

So where are we now? We blindly follow the ECB but without any possibility of influencing the decision.

I would have said "serves them well" but I'm going to take the consequences of that too  

Sounds more like a little payback from the government to me.

[denoir 0]

Probably, but they're saying that it's necessary so that Sweden can be worthy competition to the Eurozone countries. Basically they say that we have to outdo them in "Euroness" for people to consider doing business with Swedish companies.

And I do think they have a point. The issues of currency conversion have to be compensated for. If there are two equal businesses then the one using the Euro will have the advantage. Therfor the Swedish industry must outperform the Eurozone industry.

[JAP 2]

Probably, but they're saying that it's necessary so that Sweden can be worthy competition to the Eurozone countries. Basically they say that we have to outdo them in "Euroness" for people to consider doing business with Swedish companies.

And I do think they have a point. The issues of currency conversion have to be compensated for. If there are two equal businesses then the one using the Euro will have the advantage. Therfor the Swedish industry must outperform the Eurozone industry.

When they want to make the businesses more competitive they will have to put opposed to that cut in wellfare some advantages for the employers.  Like less taxes on wages etc.

How on earth a cut in wellfare support gonna be to an advantage for a business without some relief of costs to the state for them ?

I saw an interview of a Volvo factory manager in Belgium who said they lost alot of money on the import of parts bought from other Eurozone companies.

/Edit

Ok nvm.

I read the taxcut bit in your first post wrong.

I guess you said exactly what i m saying now

[CopyCon 1]

As Denoir said earlier, alot of swedish people are deluded to think that Sweden is an unicum, with the best wellfare and social security in the whole world, which in fact is not true. Our government party keeps telling the people how fantastic Sweden is all the time. And I think this is the main reason to the big NO in the referendum. I've spent alot of time in eastern europe, and I've seen the development on all fronts (which is very good), and in a few years Sweden is even farther from its utopian ideals.

[Bordoy 0]

I was refering to the people on this board, most of them are pro Euro. I was just asking you to give us more informations why you are against it to help us understand your position.

Well the first thing is that i don't like the economical situations in some countrys like Germany (there was another but i forgot)

Some people are pro-euro because they can't be arsed to change the currency, but they (not you) need exercise.

I do think that it is good relationship with the rest of Europe, but I don't like that our politic and economical situation would be forced upon us. We need to be Self-sufficent. We need to keep the relationship open to country's like Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

[denoir 0]

Nobody is self sufficient today. Just look at the computer in front of you - how many countries do you think were involved in the production of the components in it?

Now, the idea of the EMU is to simplfy trade in Europe. Why Europe and not the world? Besides the fact that we share the same geographic area is the simple fact that our economies are similar. Our technological development is similar. And our social structures are similar. And last but not least, our history is linked. Everything that happens in one country has consequences for the other.

Sure, there are differences, but the differences are larger relative non-European countries. Other EU countries are by far Britain's (and every other EU country's) trading partner. The basic idea is to simplify that trade. To synchronise our economies so we have a strong economic foundation outwards and good trade inwards.

And this is not some new radical idea. For the most part of the European history, we had a common currency: gold and silver. British coins could readily be used everywhere in Europe and vice versa. There was a common gold price across the entire continent. The national currencies are a fairly new idea.

I personally see the ulitmate goal to have a world currency, but the current economical diversity of the world makes that an impossibility. Europe is however a good building block of that system. We all have stable economies and all benefit directly from simplified trade.

[Badgerboy 0]

I was refering to the people on this board, most of them are pro Euro. I was just asking you to give us more informations why you are against it to help us understand your position.

Well the first thing is that i don't like the economical situations in some countrys like Germany (there was another but i forgot)

Some people are pro-euro because they can't be arsed to change the currency, but they (not you) need exercise.

I do think that it is good relationship with the rest of Europe, but I don't like that our politic and economical situation would be forced upon us. We need to be Self-sufficent. We need to keep the relationship open to country's like Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

I'll take everything you say with a pinch of salt after seeing the BNP link in your sig.

For our foreign friends, the BNP are our resident far right pseudo nazi movement. Support for them has been growing recently, but after seeing and hearing the average BNP voter I'm not surprised. (Usually a series of clicks/grunts, and a moan about asylum seekers that are stealing their dole money)

From their FAQ

Quote[/b] ]The first thing a BNP government would do is to stop all further mass immigration into Britain. Then we would put in place a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those foreigners resident in Britain would be encouraged to return to their lands of origin.

'voluntary resettlement' - Make what you want to of this...

Quote[/b] ]Q: Why are you against mixed-raced relationships?

A: We are against mixed-raced relationships because we believe that all species and races of life on this planet are beautiful and must be preserved. When whites take partners from other ethnic groups, a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed.

And does that remind you of anything? We'll have Nazi supermen roaming the streets of London in no time!

Bordoy, doesn't any of the above offend or worry you?

Edit - Just discovered your only 15. That would explain a few things.

[Gollum1 0]

Well the first thing is that i don't like the economical situations in some countrys like Germany (there was another but i forgot)

France. You live a stone´s throw away.

Quote[/b] ]

Birthday Date 11 April 1988 (15)

British National Party Join Now!!

Oh, the British National <s>Socialist</s> Party, eh?

[brgnorway 0]

This sucks and only reinforces my idea that moving from Sweden wouldn't be such an idea. There is a new strong unified Europe emerging. My country has unfortunatly not understood this but instead of joining this exciting progress we'll be standing on the side. That doesn't resonate to well with me. I can easily see myself moving to live and work in the continental Europe.

I say, I say! What all this about old chap eh? You jonny foreigner Swedish chaps can't make such an awful racket about 'moving to the continent' what what!

Dear old bean, you already are on the continent if you would excuse me to correct you.

It's only the good old jolly chaps back in England who can refer to all you jonny foreigners as 'the continent', as we are seperate from you commoners you see?

Oh my, tea is being served, you must excuse me good fellow.

hehe....this reminds me of a "Times" headline years ago: "Storm builds up - Continent isolated" . One just has to laugh!

Bordoy:

Quote[/b] ]Well the first thing is that i don't like the economical situations in some countrys like Germany (there was another but i forgot)

Some people are pro-euro because they can't be arsed to change the currency, but they (not you) need exercise.

I do think that it is good relationship with the rest of Europe, but I don't like that our politic and economical situation would be forced upon us. We need to be Self-sufficent. We need to keep the relationship open to country's like Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

This makes me laugh too! Do you believe you live in a vakuum?

Just how much do you believe your country's economy is affected by the other nations economy over the channel?

[Crazysheep 1]

For our foreign friends, the BNP are our resident far right pseudo nazi movement.

Actually, the BNPs economic systems are left wing, however they are classed as far right because they are very authoritarian and their racial beliefs are similar to Hitlers.

If they ever come to power, it will be through cheating. Most of them have criminal records....

[Gollum1 0]

Now that Sweden has decided, (thread name) we´re drifting hopelessly off-topic.

Maybe this should be the official €-thread.

[Bordoy 0]

I have read what you all have said and i understand very well. Not all far-rights including the BNP will try to take over the world.

There was a fascist who went into power in Spain and made it a great country with a great economy. Now we come to Hitler, the mad-man who tries to take over the world except for a small hitch, he rebuilt Germany from ruins after WW1. Now i am not gloryfying Hitler, i don't like him in any way.

Badgerboy- what has my age got to do with it? anyway, yes i am worried it could collapse with ease and to be honsest anything else can (including the Euro, EU, UN). i was worried about the war in Iraq, with more and more American and British soldiers being killed.

Gollum- no it wasn't France.

don't know what else to add.  

edit: as i am only 15 my political stance may chnage easily with the next decade. So all points taken into cosideration.

Thankyou

[EiZei 0]

I have read what you all have said and i understand very well. Not all far-rights including the BNP will try to take over the world.

There was a fascist who went into power in Spain and made it a great country with a great economy. Now we come to Hitler, the mad-man who tries to take over the world except for a small hitch, he rebuilt Germany from ruins after WW1. Now i am not gloryfying Hitler, i don't like him in any way.

You are talking about this guy?

[Bordoy 0]

i don't know what he looks like. i'm 15, i dont go researching about crap.

Anyway i may have my information wrong.

[Crazysheep 1]

There was a fascist who went into power in Spain and made it a great country with a great economy.

Franco!?!?! You ARE joking, right? He killed any dissidents under pretense of them being commies....

[joltan 0]

i don't know what he looks like. i'm 15, i dont go researching about crap.

You should - he murdered tens of thousands in political cleansings (not to mention the 600,000+ people who died in his coup against the republican governement and the following civil war) and he ruined the economy with his self-sustainment politics. Jez, before talking about someone 'great', you should at least open a history book (even travel guides usually contain enough historical information to refute your picture of spanish history)!