Lav iii and bison released

[Imshi-Yallah 0]

The LAV-III seems a bit too tall and narrow, also as an APC I've used on exercises (my unit doesn't normally have anything to do with them) its missing one key feature, it's actually dark in the troop cabin of a Piranha, even with the lights on, is it possible to replicate this in OFP?

[343rdBadger 0]

I must be dense, I just don't see the differences between them?What exactly are the differences anyway??

And on another note ,just what would this vechicle be used for in the context of its cannon...what i mean is...just how much damage could this gun do to a MBT?...and would it even attempt it if in a fire fight or would it make a hasty retreat?(athough better to have it than not IMO..good candian sensibility ...haha)Would these be deployed against armour...or is it a purely defensive weapon against other APC's?Any Kodi experts out there?

Lastly...Sigma...did you fix the loops /d-rings on this puppy?...i can simply send you the PAA that i tweaked into a "steel" look ...no problem

[munger 25]

It's a defensive weapon with more kick than say, a 50 cal, but it's still defensive. The vehicle's an APC, not an IFV, so it's not expected to take on armour. The cannon could probably take the tracks off an MBT, and might be able to disable it's engine if fired at the rear, but I doubt it would do too much damage beyond that.

[Sigma-6 29]

The LAV-3 was made from line drawings, so if it looks to tall and narrow, it might have something to do with screeen resolution (some modes compress the image).

Quote[/b] ]I must be dense, I just don't see the differences between them?What exactly are the differences anyway??

Between the Bison and the LAV-III?

hehe, perhaps you need to place them side-by-side and examine them closely. . . They're fundamentally different vehicles. Earlier in this thread (or maybe in the 'in progress' one) I posted a link to the Mowag site, which has a set of descriptions and photos of the distinct hull types, but they also have some pretty distinct differences up top. . .

As for the use of the 25mm Bushmaster, it's defensive, and it's also meant to give the APC a fire-support capability, so it can support its own infantry section, instead of having to rely on other vehicles exclusively for that role. (like Coyote DFSVs, which have the 25mm as well, or Cougar DFSVs, which have a low-pressure 76mm gun)

[NZXSHADOWS 0]

USMC LAV 25?

[miles teg 1]

That's wonderful that you're doing a USMC LAV-25!  Thank you SOOO much!  That will be perfect for Suchey's Marines and the TOW Marines.  I agree with others that if you could make desert textures that would be fantastic...  

Another idea is to release the LAV-25 as an unbinarized addon so that way if anyone wants to make a New Zealand version or a version for any other country they can easily do so in Oxygen along with TexView, and a graphics program of their choice.

Anyways I greatly look forward to the USMC version and I've been greatly enjoying the Canadian LAVIII and Bison as well.  Keep up the awesome work!  

Oh yeah... also one thing about the 25mm Bushmaster cannon.  One thing that was not widely known until the Iraq invasion was that there is a DU round made for the 25mm Bushmaster cannon on the US Bradley infantry fighting vehicle.  On one friendly fire incident the round penetrated the rear armor of an M1 tank and did significant dammage.   I also heard some reports that it was capable of penetrating some of the armor of Iraqi T-72 tanks.

I'm sure that the ammo is available to USMC vehicles as well, although I don't think that ammo is for export outside the US and even if it was, I don't know if anyone would buy it due to the enviornmental hazards of spent DU ammo.  

Anyhoo... the ammo would most likely kill older Russian made tanks like the T55 and T62.  

Here is some info on the round.  (Note that penetration capabilities are not mentioned as those are likely classified):

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m919.htm

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[hellfish6 7]

I remember reading accounts of either LAVs or Bradleys from the First Gulf War taking out T55s with 25mm DU rounds with no problems. Either way, that many large rounds would ruin any tankers day, even if they didn't penetrate. Fragments could, I imagine, pretty easily screw up optics and the "Shtora" systems seen on newer Russian tanks. Same if you fired it at an M-1A2 - I don't think the CITV's actual optics are armored, even if their housing is.

[343rdBadger 0]

The LAV-3 was made from line drawings, so if it looks to tall and narrow, it might have something to do with screeen resolution (some modes compress the image).

Quote[/b] ]I must be dense, I just don't see the differences between them?What exactly are the differences anyway??

Between the Bison and the LAV-III?

hehe, perhaps you need to place them side-by-side and examine them closely. . . They're fundamentally different vehicles. Earlier in this thread (or maybe in the 'in progress' one) I posted a link to the Mowag site, which has a set of descriptions and photos of the distinct hull types, but they also have some pretty distinct differences up top. . .

As for the use of the 25mm Bushmaster, it's defensive, and it's also meant to give the APC a fire-support capability, so it can support its own infantry section, instead of having to rely on other vehicles exclusively for that role. (like Coyote DFSVs, which have the 25mm as well, or Cougar DFSVs, which have a low-pressure 76mm gun)

no no no...i was speaking of the yet to be released Lav (coyote is it?)compared to the released LAV III / Kodiac

[Sigma-6 29]

Oh. It's a very different vehicle.

The LAV-III is a LAV/Piranha 3, and the Coyote is a Piranha 2. It's a completely different hull. . .  The only thing they have in common, actually, is the delco turret.

The Coyote is actually a recce vehicle, and the only one of its kind in the world. It has a massive, comprehensive sensor suite that can be installed and extended on a ten meter mast, or set up incognito near the vehicle. there's only room in the back in the DFSV version (which is actually a conversion), as the recce vehicle has the rear area taken up for the Surveillance NCO's suite.

some data on the sensors in the Coyote:

"The ‘hi-rez’ video camera, ‘FLIR’ thermal imager, and laser rangefinder are mounted at the very top of the mast.  Just below is the mounting platform for the surveillance radar.  These sensors can detect a  moving man at 3km and a moving vehicle up to 12km away  according to the manufacturer of the Coyote’s sensors, General Dynamics. Coyote is the best of its kind but will the CF maintain its current lead with future advances?"   -CASR DND 101

CASR DND 101 "Coyote LAV-Recce"

The first version I'm releasing though, is the DFSV. I may do a Recce version, but it will be static, because the sensor suite takes 20 minutes to set up.

[hellfish6 7]

I remember reading about the Coyote at the US Army's NTC. They kicked some butt doing what they could, but nobody in the US Army knew how to use them properly. They operated as a recce element for an aviation brigade task force (one attack helo battalion, two armor/mech task forces) IIRC.

[Sigma-6 29]

Well, not to be down on the US Army or anything, but it's no mystery that the word 'recce' is not in their vocabulary. . . (let's try to go for the *triple* entendre. . .    )

The American concept of recon is quite different in application than the Canadian idea of the same thing. . . no mystery that we do it differently than they do.

just a question? Where did they get the Coyotes? on loan?

[speckfire 1]

Sigma-6 thanks a lot for the addon...man it brought memories...I had a bison for 10 days in Valcartier when I was playing enemy force and were only 3 in it. Me the driver, the commander and the bison bitch(inert/gunner) who was fixing me drinks while I was driving. We turned that thing into a camper. We had coco mats on the floors inorder not to clean after too much, we also put our airmatresses and sleeping bags in the back where the infantry is supposed to be. We had a 24v TV installed, tons of Rat packs , coleman stove etc....We even stole a portable toilet by loading it on our ramp in the back to put it in our hide ...I love your addon..however can you add my hibatchi on top??? I miss my hibatchi (the top storage comparment on the back deck)..

Thanks again

Speckfire.    

[Imshi-Yallah 0]

I do recall reading that the US army had borrowed canadian Wheeled APCs for Afghanistan.

[hellfish6 7]

Well, not to be down on the US Army or anything, but it's no mystery that the word 'recce' is not in their vocabulary. . . (let's try to go for the *triple* entendre. . .    )

The American concept of recon is quite different in application than the Canadian idea of the same thing. . . no mystery that we do it differently than they do.

just a question? Where did they get the Coyotes? on loan?

Actually, it was a Canadian recce unit attached to the brigade. I think there were two platoons (troops?) for used in the rotation. I did some digging and heres a link to the article:

Coyotes at NTC

Edit: here's some pics of it at NTC, along with other pics:

Armorinaction.com

[Sigma-6 29]

I need pics of the storage bin. . . it's the same one on the back of the LAV-III. . .

[reconmercs 0]

I guess this is a good as anyway to ask..where can I find the older canadian vehicles? I looked on the site and only found the new stuff I'm looking for the armor pack and the canadian tanks..thanks in advance

[Sigma-6 29]

They're all going to be re-released in updated versions. The russian tanks by RHS and the Canadian tanks by Northstar. keep your eyes peeled.

[343rdBadger 0]

Eyes peeled...lids....stapled to forehead

[Wick_105 0]

one small note....the muzzel flash of the 25mm is Y shape

2 years ago our brigade saw a firepower demo...all the new stuff that were gatting and some of the regs kit to...I think there is a setting on the gun to make it shoot fast...and I do mean fast that thing was spitting out tracer like there was no tomarow. and this summer one of our foo's was issued a coyote...when the turret moves it makes a high pitch electrical sound...its hard to explain.

keep up the good work !