The m2/m3 bradley

[stevevcb 3]

One feature, more like necessity, I would like for any next generation OFP TOW is that it actually be wire guided, like the OFrP Eryx, which is an excellent AT weapon addon  

AFAIK, most vehicle-launched missiles (TOW, AT-3, as well as the Carl Gustav) can be guided in-flight. Just move the mouse around. It takes a bit of practice, but once you get the hang of it, you can engage moving targets with ease. Just make sure you tell the driver to stop first

[Cloney 0]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/militar....ley.jpg

Bradley Specs (PDF Document)

LOL

You could have chosen a desert camoed Bradley in a desert environment for the picture    

What difference does it make?  

I think that the Bradley could do with some tweaking but i'll wait for the BAS release as that will undoubtedly be very realistic yet also fun to play in game.

Well, I think that it will show how it will look when we get the BAS desert pack since almost all missions are in woodland.

Haha. That reminds me of the Military Stupidity thread where the Dutch troops got snowplows for their service in Iraq.

Oh well Black, if you'd stop bitching (your profession) you'd find creative ways to use the desert vehicle packs.

[Consigliere 0]

One feature, more like necessity, I would like for any next generation OFP TOW is that it actually be wire guided, like the OFrP Eryx, which is an excellent AT weapon addon  

AFAIK, most vehicle-launched missiles (TOW, AT-3, as well as the Carl Gustav) can be guided in-flight. Just move the mouse around. It takes a bit of practice, but once you get the hang of it, you can engage moving targets with ease. Just make sure you tell the driver to stop first  

Errm...That's kinda the point of being wire guided...The TOW is a SACLOS missile (Semi Active Command Line Of Sight).

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.What I was saying is that in OFP, when you fire a TOW from a Bradley, you simply target the enemy tank and the missile is automatically guided, you can even untarget the enemy tank while the missile is in flight and you'll still score a direct hit, which is completely unrealistic.IRL with the TOW, you HAVE to keep the target in sight so that you can control it in flight (this is the whole point of the wire, it's basically an electric cable.Like the cable between the remote of a toy car and the car, you press right and the car goes right,etc...). This is what I want to be able to do with any next generation OFP TOW, I want to HAVE to control the missile in flight (Like as I said with the OFrP Eryx) in order to score a hit.

And the Carl Gustav can't be guided.It's a recoilless gun, which fires a shell, not a missile.

[dm 9]

Works both ways in OFP.

The TOW rocket IS guided, in the way that you can actually steer it towards its target by moving the gunners sight/aim.

However, as 99% of the population would either be incapable of, or not have the skill to do, BIS added in the fact that the target is "lockable" (via right click) to make the weapon more useable by the human players.

[Rudedog 0]

After getting fed up with the lack of good Bradley addons, I decided to try my hand at retexturing the BIS version.

This is the work-in-progress of my first try.  I should also mention that my brother, Pablo, is also helping on this.  

Some of the features/fixes are that it is now amphibious as in real life and will engage armour with it's TOW more reliably. I've referenced some of Aaron Ash's Real IFV configs to give it more realistic performance also.

I also plan on Winter and Woodland Camo versions too.  After this I may take a stab at actually building my first addon from scratch.

         

         

         

[edc 0]

Looks nice!

[blackdog~ 0]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/militar....ley.jpg

Bradley Specs (PDF Document)

LOL

You could have chosen a desert camoed Bradley in a desert environment for the picture    

What difference does it make?  

I think that the Bradley could do with some tweaking but i'll wait for the BAS release as that will undoubtedly be very realistic yet also fun to play in game.

Well, I think that it will show how it will look when we get the BAS desert pack since almost all missions are in woodland.

Haha. That reminds me of the Military Stupidity thread where the Dutch troops got snowplows for their service in Iraq.

Oh well Black, if you'd stop bitching (your profession) you'd find creative ways to use the desert vehicle packs.

I'd find a good way to use them...

... in my PANTS!

[dm 9]

Far too much info black....

Rude - looking good mate, nice work.

2 things tho:

1) I hope you've got marfy's permission to use his wheel textures, I speak to him regularly, and he really hates it when people "pirate" his work (as he calls it )

2) Please please please please please for the love of GOD dont call it an M2A2... its no where near the A2 version, infact its the A0 version, or just the plain old M2 Bradley. Even with your new textures, which look good btw, its still not an A2.

These points aside, keep up the god work mate, its nice to see people taking the initative, rather than just bitching about it.

[Rudedog 0]

Far too much info black....

Rude - looking good mate, nice work.

2 things tho:

1) I hope you've got marfy's permission to use his wheel textures, I speak to him regularly, and he really hates it when people "pirate" his work (as he calls it )

2) Please please please please please for the love of GOD dont call it an M2A2... its no where near the A2 version, infact its the A0 version, or just the plain old M2 Bradley. Even with your new textures, which look good btw, its still not an A2.

These points aside, keep up the god work mate, its nice to see people taking the initative, rather than just bitching about it.

Actually the wheels are not Marfy's, they are the ones I created following his tutorial on his Marfy Art site.  I'm going to redo them anyway since they are a bit dark compared to the rest of the vehicle.   BTW, thanks for the info.  Every pic on the net I have found says it the M2A2 as well as BIS.

[dm 9]

For your info:

M2 A0 (the one BIS made) :

Note the side armour which is almost the same shape as the vehicles hull. And the folding stabiliser plane on the front of the vehicle (clearer in the following pic)

M2 A2:

Note the "new" flat-panel DU armour, and the re-designed front (no stabiliser plane, and re-modeled track guards and front idler wheels)

Also note that the A2 models onwards do not have the cargo weapon firing points, as they are covered by the new armour.

M2 A3:

Essentially the same as the A2, but with completely new crew-positions, digitised computers and the Commanders Independant Thermal Viewer (CITV)

Theres the differences for ya

[SGTKOPP 0]

also dm the isu the gunner uses went from 12X(M2A2) all the way to 48X(M2A3)

id like to note that there are many diferent types of brads these day you have artillry spotter brads  engineers now have bradleys     ada and more to come so maybe some one could have diff versions all in one pack

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and its is not du armour on the front the truth is that a 50cal round can go through a bradley

[r1c0cH3T 0]

Nice!  

Deadmeat: Didn't Marfy teach everyone how to do those wheel textures somewhere on his site?

Does anyone know how the BAS Desert Pack is comming along? There is no thread and their homepage has nothing about it  

[Rudedog 0]

Deadmeat: Didn't Marfy teach everyone how to do those wheel textures somewhere on his site?

Here is the link to Marfy's tutorial:

http://www.volny.cz/marfyart/desertofp/tutorial_01engl.htm

[r1c0cH3T 0]

Yeah, so that wouldn't really be "Pirating" would it if he told everyone how to do it...

[joltan 0]

I also plan on Winter and Woodland Camo versions too.

I think the Winter camo that comes with the Winter Nogojev units is quite fine.

[mooncaine 0]

... the Commanders Independant Thermal Viewer (CITV)

Is that the Commanders Independant Thermal Viewer (CITV)?

[see attached image: note the red boxes drawn around what I think is the CITV].

[dm 9]

Yes Mooncaine, that is the CITV. It provides the commander with a totally independant, 360 degree, magnified, thermal and light enhancing view. Its also linked into the vehicles other systems, so the whole unit becomes one unified digital system.

I know in his second tutorial marfy wrote:

Quote[/b] ]The texture is fictious and potentially useless– I dont want it to be used in any addon.

But that is about the camo texture. I'll have to ask him about the wheel texture.

Anyoh.. keep at it rude, i'm sure it'll be cool.

[coporal_punishment 0]

Btw if you are doing woodland i've got a view suggestions

can you do the m2a2 in NATO woodland ;) and if you need anyhelp i won't mind helping ;)

[blackdog~ 0]

I also plan on Winter and Woodland Camo versions too.

I think the Winter camo that comes with the Winter Nogojev units is quite fine.

http://joltan.gmxhome.de/screenshots/winter_m2a2.jpg

[sarcasm]omg, that guy stole the wheel textures marfy made since they look so good[/sarcasm]

[dm 9]

I bet he'll use a sound from a real bradley too!

that'd just be sooo wrong and bad and stuff... because its clearly not at all realistic...

[Acecombat 0]

I also plan on Winter and Woodland Camo versions too.

I think the Winter camo that comes with the Winter Nogojev units is quite fine.

Nice looking Bradley there Rude , when will it be released ETA's ??

[Rudedog 0]

Nice looking Bradley there Rude , when will it be released ETA's ??

If there is one thing i've learned from BAS, no ETA's.  It's done when it's done!  

[miles teg 1]

also dm the isu the gunner uses went from 12X(M2A2) all the way to 48X(M2A3)

id like to note that there are many diferent types of brads these day you have artillry spotter brads  engineers now have bradleys     ada and more to come so maybe some one could have diff versions all in one pack

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and its is not du armour on the front   the truth is that a 50cal round can go through a bradley

I'm just curious but how do you know this? From the pics the front hull armor looks like the same type of armor panels on the side of the A2's.

What is know for sure is that the side panels DO STOP RPG-7 AT rounds according to those who were riding in Bradleys that were hit by RPG-7's during the Iraq invasion.

I could not understand why they wouldn't put the same armor on the front which is where traditionally the heaviest armor is placed. Looking at the bulk of the front hull armor I don't see how it couldn't stop a standard .50 cal round.

The only penetration of the Bradley's armor by HMG rounds was during the first Gulf War by an Iraqi 14.5mm HMG that penetrated the turret and wounded the vehicle commander. But I don't know the details of that incident such as what version of the Bradley they were using and where on the hull the penetration occured.

At any rate I seriously doubt a .50 cal round would penetrate.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[miles teg 1]

So anyways, is there any update on the Bradley M2A2's being worked on by BAS???   I know that they know how to De-PBO the BIS models and modify them so it shouldn't be a big deal doing that to the BIS Bradley model and then adding the DU armor plates to the model.  

After that it's just a matter of texturing it.

For anyone working on a British Warrior, I should mention that likewise, the Warrior IFV's in Iraq mostly now have similar RPG proof armored panels on them.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[SGTKOPP 0]

also dm the isu the gunner uses went from 12X(M2A2) all the way to 48X(M2A3)

id like to note that there are many diferent types of brads these day you have artillry spotter brads  engineers now have bradleys     ada and more to come so maybe some one could have diff versions all in one pack

edit

and its is not du armour on the front   the truth is that a 50cal round can go through a bradley

I'm just curious but how do you know this?  From the pics the front hull armor looks like the same type of armor panels on the side of the A2's.  

What is know for sure is that the side panels DO STOP RPG-7 AT rounds according to those who were riding in Bradleys that were hit by RPG-7's during the Iraq invasion.

I could not understand why they wouldn't put the same armor on the front which is where traditionally the heaviest armor is placed.  Looking at the bulk of the front hull armor I don't see how it couldn't stop a standard .50 cal round.  

The only penetration of the Bradley's armor by HMG rounds was during the first Gulf War by an Iraqi 14.5mm HMG that penetrated the turret and wounded the vehicle commander.  But I don't know the details of that incident such as what version of the Bradley they were using and where on the hull the penetration occured.

At any rate I seriously doubt a .50 cal round would penetrate.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

my means of travel in the army is the m2a2 ods-e bradley i have been school trained on them and also i have seen the iside of them

there is no speacial armour on the bradley just some kevlar lining inside the troop compartment

and the armour plates yo see on the side are only steel and high strench aluminum