Which side, Russia or US is better?

[griff 0]

I say US and here is why. The US (NATO) has superior helicopters and if you're talking about overall "betterness" the US takes it....barely. The Shilka is a s**t meister to deal with, but one TOW takes it out. The T80 is also a monster of a tank, probably a bit better than the Abrams, but it doesn't take hits as well as the Abrams. The Bradley will take a BMP (offensively) anyday, but the BMP has a bit more armor I think? The M113 beats the BRDM easily. Black Ops can't be seen at night, can Spetz?? The Russians take the NATO in tanks, Infantry goes to the West because of the AT4 (i don't think the east gets that do they?) but with the AK74 being auto that is nice occasionally. Thoughts?

[akm74 1]

I can be wrong, but is AT4 on Russian side?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The US (NATO) has superior helicopters <span id='postcolor'>

100% agree. If you notice... US have 6 helos and Russian only 2.

But Mi-24 still tough one in the game.

(Edited by AKM74 at 8:10 am on Dec. 23, 2001)

[griff 0]

It probably is...dumb me..that thing is a powerful little bugger.

[HellToupee 0]

New Zealand is best because its smart enough to stay out of this conflict.

[HellToupee 0]

New Zealand is best because its smart enough to avoid this conflict.

[Beagle 684]

My observation is, that the russians are far better equiped than the US.

Because theres nothing compared to the Hind, which can transport soldiers, and has guided missiles, as well as turreted gun.

The Hip ist something like flying Artillery, and has no match at the US side.

Both BMP Versions are far better than the US IFV.

BMP-2 hast much more ammo for it's gun.

The only schortcomming of OPFOR ist low armor on T-80s but that doesnt matter, sinve the M1s Gun will be knocked out, with the first hit.(Just another stupidity in OFP, as gun dammage is rare in real combat)

[Unl33t 0]

This is quite an easy question and should not be asked.

NATO win because simply, they got more stuff

[amos m 0]

The game wasn't meant for multiplayer. It was designed for single player, so west is obviously gonna get the better fire power.

But then, air superiority in this game. West might win because it has more, but the hind s**ts all over all the west choppers. The west might have the advantage of speed, but how's that gonna help u when u got rockets, and the hind has rockets, gun and homers.

And the su25......much better than the a10.

[Antichrist 0]

Well.... i dunno this is really an infantry game and NATO got much better small arms

[Captain Kickass 0]

I do not know why this is. I was just messing about one day and so I put a MI-24 vs 3! Apache gunships. And I could'nt belive it when the Hind just completely out- manovered the Apaches and destroyed them immediately! PS: I have nothing against the Russians or the Americans! O.k.:smile:

(Edited by Captain Kickass at 2:32 pm on Dec. 23, 2001)

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

i say

russians: best troops, they have dragunov which is the best sniper weapon, the AT4 which is the same as carl gustav and rpg which is same as LAW. AK and M16 - not much difference, i only use single shot on each and find them both accurate. Winner: russians - everything is the same basically except the russians have a superior sniper rifle.

Tanks: Abrams is the best tank but the M60 the worst. I've seen two abrams take on a shilka, a T-72 and a T-80 and not even get close to winning, so i assume that russians tanks are better. They also look better. I like russian tanks better anyway, its nice to be in a tank that stands a somewhat good chance against a abrams but will dominate any other NATO tank. Winner: NATO - the abrams can take anything but they lose point for having the M60. The T-72 and T-80 are still very good tanks, one of each will severaly cripple an abrams.

Helicopters: The russians have the hind, nuff said. Multipurpose, built like swarzenegger and can take on anything, that includes the apache. US have two s**te transport choppers, both fly like s**t, russians have the Mi-17 which goes like s**t off a shovel and is jam packed with rockets, carries more troops than the blackhawk and is better armed than a chinook. winner: russians

Jets: Su-25 is more fun, cos they have rockets, other than that they're the same. i prefer the SU-25 winner: russians

AA: not much difference. Shilka looks better and is rightly feared, while the vulcan is a M113 with a big gun - less intimidating. winner: shilka

IFV: Bradly is good but bmps are better, their cannons can be used against infantry effectively while TOWs can't, so they are equally effective against infantry and tanks, they have missles anyway. Also amphibious, which is always nice, and faster. winner: russians

overall winner: russians.

imho of course

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

o yeah, i forgot about spec ops:

i prefer spetsnatz cos they look more like soldiers rather than sci fi ninjas with massive chins, they also now have a much superior silenced weapon (the bizon - 60 round clip, lovely)

[kegetys 2]

Resistance!!

I like to play the "we have nothing and they have everything but lets kick their ass anyway" style

[MotherRussiaAK74 0]

Russia is the best side in the game. The BMP has a great load out as far as weapons go, the T-80 in my opinion has a far better chance of surviving compared to the m1a1. The shilka is way better than the Vulcan as well. Oh yeah, the Bradley is not better than the BMP. They are both equal. It comes down to who gets the shot off first.

(Edited by MotherRussiaAK74 at 4:46 pm on Dec. 23, 2001)

[Damage Inc 0]

The T-80 is actually worse than the M1A1 in the game. Try putting a T-80 and an M1A1 opposite to each other in the editor. More often than not the Abrams will destroy the T-80. The Shilka is also ridiculously overpowered, it can even destroy an Abrams.

[reaper 0]

I actually got curious about this right after the 1.30 patch, and set up a mission to test it. I used two of each armored unit, and four infantry squads equally matched stuffed into each APC.

I used the desert island, they started about 1km apart and drove stright toward each other. The APC's unloaded the troops just before the shells start flying.

I was a Resistance officer set friendly to both sides, sitting off to the side to observe, so I didn't effect the outcome.

The results: Russia won 9 times out of 10.

I haven't tested it since patch 1.40, I still have the mission, so maybe I'll do that later.

[Damage Inc 0]

The Russian APC's are much better, but the tanks are worse (except that a T-72 can easily beat an M60).

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

i like the russian tanks better though, theres is a certain charm sitting in a very powerful tank that could potentially be raped by a abrams

[madmike 0]

the problem with russian equipment is that it is made cheaply to cut costs.

In real life the M1A1 or challenger would win against any russian tank, all you have to think about is the gulf war!

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

best tank we faced in the gulf was a T-72 that fell off the back off some russian truck and was nicked by guys with beards and turbans who sold it off to saddam after taking off the engine and pawning it off

no t-80 or anything up the standard of russia's tanks (most of the being downgraded export models)

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The Hip ist something like flying Artillery, and has no match at the US side.<span id='postcolor'>

Have you seen a well equipped C130 ? Fire in the sky..

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[WKK Gimbal 0]

I prefer to play east in multiplay. I think they're better balanced and they also should be. Even more ruski stuff in the future, I hope.

The AK74 far outmatches the plastic M16.

Shooting from the hip I usually get headshots 50% of the time, with an AK74.

It also has full auto for those panic situations, and by the way, it sounds better

BMP's are great too, if you keep moving and firing, never slowing down or heading too long in the same direction. BMP2's simply rule, when there are no western tanks around.

And then there's the Hind .....

(Edited by WKK Gimbal at 3:53 am on Dec. 24, 2001)

[Renagade 0]

Im not sure who is best :/

Maybe the AI of one side is better so it looks like one side vehicles are better.

I like the funny laser guiding chopper,it makes a good scout

[FetishFool 0]

Both sides are almost equal.

But the East have incredible equipment for the AI.

For the player, West is better.

The HIND and Mi-17 can take on any West aircraft, if it's manned by AI. But these two are harder to fly by humans.

The AK's on the East side are better because they have the accurate Full Auto feature. But the aiming sights are difficult to use by the player.

The T80 tank was supposed to be faster than the Abrams. But I think BIS forgot about this. That's why the T80 has lower armor.

But it doesn't matter which side you choose. Just make your own addons. Make a new side. One with Hinds, T80's, BlackHawks, M60 MGuns, M16s, SVDDragunovs... And the best of all worlds.

[Gaswell 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well.... i dunno this is really an infantry game and NATO got much better small arms

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I once ran some tests (with 1.30, mind you) where two 6-man squads move into contact with one another on an airfield runway. Given similar skill levels, an AK74-equipped squad would usually defeat anything except M16s, heavy grenade launchers, or snipers. Turns out that the 3-round bursts of an AI assault rifle would kill much more effectively than the single shots the AI tended to use when firing scoped rifles, or the overhead fire you got from an AI machine gun.

So my conclusion back then was that the AI was at a disadvantage when using the new NATO hardware. I haven't tried this with 1.40, but that's next on my list.