White supremacy in england

[Crazysheep 1]

I was wondering if any Brits here are getting concerned about the growing strength of the Nazi party....I've been doing work experience as an electrician, and spent today changing lights in blocks of flats and courts, (these are where the poor people live....a bit like the areas for proletarians in 1984 I got the impression) and I was startled at the amount of racist and pro BNP graffiti I saw sprawled across walls; papers like the Daily Mail are spreading a harmful message that asylum seekers are coming into this country and stealing our money, jobs, houses, and also causing criminal activity. We know this is bullshit, but the BNP (British National Party) is attracting lots of voters now, and is a major party. It even has a say in government, as it won one seat in a town near to me.....also, they have been seen handing out leaflets outside schools. With the young and impressionable already being told by TV that the Islamic terrorists are the baddies, this could have a lerger effect than expected.

I am worried for the next elections for a number of reasons;

1) "Middle England" will not vote too much. Only those with extreme, or any views, will vote.

2) People are increasingly scared of Islamic terrorism, and as people with little education class foreigners in roughly the same bracket, xenophobia is increasing.

3) Because a lot of the Labour partys original supporters, the left wingers, have fallen out with him they will go to other parties. Unfortunatly, the left is unlikely to vote conservative, so it will be Lib Dems and the socialist workers party.....neither of these have a cat in hells chance of success, which would mean that the BNP would have more seats in comparison to the Labour parties falling power.

4) After it has enough support, the BNP is unlikely to wait to be elected I think.....it may do something similar to Hitler (that fire in German parliament) or other corrupt ways of acheiving power.

Am I being alarmist, or is there a genuine reason to worry about how the BNPs power?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

You can just send them to Idaho- http://www.msnbc.com/news/927968.asp

They'll feel right at home, plus they won't cause any trouble since, you know, it's Idaho.

[MLF 0]

I was wondering if any Brits here are getting concerned about the growing strength of the Nazi party....I've been doing work experience as an electrician, and spent today changing lights in blocks of flats and courts, (these are where the poor people live....a bit like the areas for proletarians in 1984 I got the impression) and I was startled at the amount of racist and pro BNP graffiti I saw sprawled across walls; papers like the Daily Mail are spreading a harmful message that asylum seekers are coming into this country and stealing our money, jobs, houses, and also causing criminal activity. We know this is bullshit, but the BNP (British National Party) is attracting lots of voters now, and is a major party. It even has a say in government, as it won one seat in a town near to me.....also, they have been seen handing out leaflets outside schools. With the young and impressionable already being told by TV that the Islamic terrorists are the baddies, this could have a lerger effect than expected.

I am worried for the next elections for a number of reasons;

1) "Middle England" will not vote too much. Only those with extreme, or any views, will vote.

2) People are increasingly scared of Islamic terrorism, and as people with little education class foreigners in roughly the same bracket, xenophobia is increasing.

3) Because a lot of the Labour partys original supporters, the left wingers, have fallen out with him they will go to other parties. Unfortunatly, the left is unlikely to vote conservative, so it will be Lib Dems and the socialist workers party.....neither of these have a cat in hells chance of success, which would mean that the BNP would have more seats in comparison to the Labour parties falling power.

4) After it has enough support, the BNP is unlikely to wait to be elected I think.....it may do something similar to Hitler (that fire in German parliament) or other corrupt ways of acheiving power.

Am I being alarmist, or is there a genuine reason to worry about how the BNPs power?

are you saying islamic terrorists are good people  

tbh im not worried about the BNP, there hardly lead by hitler.

xenephobia is increasing because we are constantly getting shit on by our so called neighbours and friends.

[NurEinMensch 0]

are you saying islamic terrorists are good people  

tbh im not worried about the BNP, there hardly lead by hitler.

xenephobia is increasing because we are constantly getting shit on by our so called neighbours and friends.

I can't say something nice so I better say nothing at all.

[ran 0]

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remember : France , april 2002 , when the world medias condemned the accession of the National Front to the 2nd turn of the presidential elections ....

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I was wondering if any Brits here are getting concerned about the growing strength of the Nazi party....I've been doing work experience as an electrician, and spent today changing lights in blocks of flats and courts, (these are where the poor people live....a bit like the areas for proletarians in 1984 I got the impression) and I was startled at the amount of racist and pro BNP graffiti I saw sprawled across walls; papers like the Daily Mail are spreading a harmful message that asylum seekers are coming into this country and stealing our money, jobs, houses, and also causing criminal activity. We know this is bullshit, but the BNP (British National Party) is attracting lots of voters now, and is a major party. It even has a say in government, as it won one seat in a town near to me.....also, they have been seen handing out leaflets outside schools. With the young and impressionable already being told by TV that the Islamic terrorists are the baddies, this could have a lerger effect than expected.

I am worried for the next elections for a number of reasons;

1) "Middle England" will not vote too much. Only those with extreme, or any views, will vote.

2) People are increasingly scared of Islamic terrorism, and as people with little education class foreigners in roughly the same bracket, xenophobia is increasing.

3) Because a lot of the Labour partys original supporters, the left wingers, have fallen out with him they will go to other parties. Unfortunatly, the left is unlikely to vote conservative, so it will be Lib Dems and the socialist workers party.....neither of these have a cat in hells chance of success, which would mean that the BNP would have more seats in comparison to the Labour parties falling power.

4) After it has enough support, the BNP is unlikely to wait to be elected I think.....it may do something similar to Hitler (that fire in German parliament) or other corrupt ways of acheiving power.

Am I being alarmist, or is there a genuine reason to worry about how the BNPs power?

Good topic!

The factors that will determine BNPs sucsess in upcoming elections depends on their ability to outplay other right wing parties. This is what kept german right-wingers out of the Bundestag for many decades. They couldnt gather around a single idea and never undertook fusion (the only way for smaller parties to grow stronger)

Secondly do all extremist parties usually need a strong representant that anyone in the country knows and who creates controversies (is that still english? ). This was the reason for the success of the right wingers such as Len Pen (now his daugther), Schoenhuber (german), Pim Fortyn (netherlands) and (most famous) AUSTRIA! Without a leader no risk!

Terrorism will not boost right wingers. Germany is a good proof. Last election the rightwingers were as weak as never before. However immigration and criminality does and consequently states like Hamburg voted mayorly for a former judge (Mister no-mercy). And he promised strict controll of illegal immigration bla bla.

And finall it depends on your electoral system. In France the seperation of two independant election cycles gave people the chance to see the result of the first, rethink, and then finally change the decision. Would the first vote have counted...well then Le Pen would have the second strongest party in France now! Welcome to Austria!

[Tamme 0]

I hate nazis.......... and communists

[Crazysheep 1]

are you saying islamic terrorists are good people  

tbh im not worried about the BNP, there hardly lead by hitler.

xenephobia is increasing because we are constantly getting shit on by our so called neighbours and friends.

Eeeeh? Where the hell did I suggest that Islamic terrorists are good people? Or, perhaps, you are getting mixed up with followers of Islam and Islamic extremists? This is precisely the problem I was addressing......people group together everyone who looks eastern with potential terrorists.

And of course they aren't led by Hitler-he's dead, you see. But they are led mainly by racist tatooed skinheads who organise violence against Islamic people....e.g, my dad works in a really rough school and a student who is a member of the BNP was talking about going a Turkey/England football match, except he has no interest in football. My guess is the spouts of violence that took place there (controlled exceptionally by the police, I might add) were planned by the BNP.

And as for your last comment......

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

Before I start I would like to say I am not a racist...

In england, I do not think we have much more of a problem than anywhere else, but our country is far from perfect. I do not agree with the current policies on imigrants and assylum seakers, as there is too big a risk of them being terrorists. There is PLENTY of evidence to support this.

At the moment I am worried by the amount of "positive" discrimination. On BBC and adverts, we see at least one person of an ethnic background in nearly every one. This would lead people to beleive there is a high amount of  "ethnic" people in relation to "white" people. This is the bullshit, where I live I only know one "ethnic" person ( I dont know what to say, as what ever I say someone will chew it up and turn it around to make me look like a bad person).  This person is one of my best friends. I am unsure of what exactly the problem is, as people said we cannot call the UK the "great britian" anymore because of the slavery or something like that... I'll call the country what it is called, not because i am intending to offend people but becuase it is the name of the place where i live, and that's what i am going to call it. And if there are no black, asian or other ethnic people in our TV programs they are called racist becuase they left them out. BUt there probably isnt enough ethnic actors to put into EVERY program, becuase they are the minority. I think this is stupid, people are either to scared to say anything on the subject, or not scared enough. Right now i am thinking about how people will percieve my thoughts on this subject. I have NEVER felt ill to anyone of a different background, race, religion or any other minority thing you can think of, infact i am all for harmony for these groups to get along, and i beleive this has to happen for the britian we know to have a future.

BUT there are inequities.

for example: a comedy show with black people in it such as fresh prince of bellair) can say some joke about how white people are some how inferior, or do something silly...

"white" person says this: they are immediatly called racist and discriminative. And let's not forget that racism can work both ways. I am fed up of all this stuff about how white people are racist, when I have had abuse hurled at me. Obviosuly if i am to beleive the example TV sets, that was not racist, it was some how good. Yet i dont think this is nesssecary. I beleive that if the people, of any race (it's all the human race.... ) are educated about the other, then we can get along more, and that we can talk about the subject without having to watch our words so stupidly.

This terrorist buisness is fueling the fire of discrimination. We are not lead to think that terrorists are small groups of people, but whole religions which must be extingiushed. If a small group of a prodanantly white religion such as christianity in the US does something like this, they are aknowledged as extremists. it is not fair at all, as every place has it's extremeist and this is forgotten if it is the same religion as the majority of America.

[Crazysheep 1]

Good post, and you're probably right but being a stubborn git I'll argue anyway.

As far as I'm aware, there isn't all that many right wing parties in Britain-BUT, the conservative party is going way downhill and some of the working class conservatives may be more tempted by the BNP, which with its public perception is more attractive to a young racist male....violence has a universal appeal to testosterone. The conservative party is more of an old geezer thing, and their leader is hardly Mr. Charisma or Mr. Getalotdone. To somebody who wants asylum seekers and immigrants out, and whose parents will not disown them for voting BNP, then the BNP will be the more attractive choice.

Quote[/b] ]Secondly do all extremist parties usually need a strong representant that anyone in the country knows and who creates controversies (is that still english? ). This was the reason for the success of the right wingers such as Len Pen (now his daugther), Schoenhuber (german), Pim Fortyn (netherlands) and (most famous) AUSTRIA! Without a leader no risk!

That is true, but how long will their leader be an unknown? I know that he looks like, but his name currently escapes me. The BNP regularly hits the news now, and it's a matter of time before their leader becomes a target of satire....I'd only heard of the BNP 2 years ago or less, but now everybody knows who the BNP are.

Quote[/b] ]Terrorism will not boost right wingers.

Nope, but terrorism DOES boost fear of immigrants.....and fear of immigrants is good for racist parties, as you implied yourself. I think that a devastating terrorist attack commited by a <insert eastern nationality here> living in England will give them an enormous boost in popularity......lets just hope MI5 do a good job, then.

[Crazysheep 1]

Quote[/b] ]I do not agree with the current policies on imigrants and asylum seakers, as there is too big a risk of them being terrorists. There is PLENTY of evidence to support this.

Here, Albert Schweizer, is precisely what I'm talking about. This person seems a perfectly reasonable guy, probably quite well off and educated as he's using a computer and seems to respect grammatical rules. When normal people begin to have BNP sympathies, no matter how mild, that's when a problem starts.

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

It's a shame we need to have this disscusion at all..  

Well, i HATE the BNP. I share NONE of thier veiws.

I am jsut saying that stricter background checks and more security to stop people from coming illiegally, through ports etc. would be good. At the moment there are to many people coming in on lorries and other transport where they hide and get into the country illegally. This is the asylum seekers i am on about. If we made sure every sinlge perosn goes through customs, i have no problem with this.

[Crazysheep 1]

By the way, does anybody know what the A in a circle means? I saw a few of these featured in racist graffiti. (heh, asylum was spelled assulum......you can tell they have a Newcastle accent)

[sanctuary 19]

And let's not forget that racism can work both ways. I am fed up of all this stuff about how white people are racist,

That is 100% right, but to be complete , i will say that racism is more than both way, it is xenophobia.

Inside an "color" group of population you can see racism : white germans judged white poland as inferior being in WW2 , black hutu and black tutsi that deeply hate each other in recent rwanda horrors , etc etc , you can complete the sad xenophobia portrait with a huge ammount of historical facts.

As you see , racism is a deep evil in the man mentality , but all the roots of that evil point to xenophobia , each stranger is feared and hated , the stranger can be from another color or just from another street ,

This has just lot of forms and different name , but it is xenophobia.

That said, in UK , (until recent changes due certainly to 11 of september tragedy) , the different governments have let islamic fundamentalists to have a certain basis and political force , exactly like in belgium.

That was pointed out by lots of european countries , but only because of some facts , it began to changes as it was proved that some recent terrorists arrested took a trip in Uk and in belgium.

What saddened me, is because of the foolishness of some gvt , muslim people are now saw the same as the fundamentalist and terrorists trainer one. I have some close friend that are muslim in France and behave as normal religious people , but they are subject to suspicion now from some people :/

To fight xenophobia, you need to fight the cause too not only xenophobic people , even if it is not politically correct to say that, if the fight is ignored as it was the case since lot of years, i cant imagine what will happen in the future.

[Apocalypse4 0]

ahh the BNP... our local nazi ****ers

Asylum is complete ****, plainly, there IS enough room and jobs, and it does not make much of a difference to the UK economy.

These BNP partys may grow in britain due to the "townie" culture developing... (thank god for NOFX... oh yeah oh yeah, kill all the white man... (this is just a joke song they made)) and if some massive economic disaster hits, like a stock market crash, we may have a problem like germany had in the 1930s,

of course, that has a low degree of happening again, that sort of persecution, however, it still is a possiblity.

Of course, this problem is faced by all countries. france has facists and nazis, the US has the Ku Klux Klan

[scousejedi 0]

Are you too young to have ever watched the Young Ones? Im sure someone has it on thie back.

A is Anarchy symbol.

The problem in the UK is the fact that no politician is willing to stand up and really talk about 2 seperate issues.

1. Asylum - providing a helping hand to those who are being persecuted

2. Economic migration - whereby young men travel to find work to provide for families back home

Until these 2 seperate issues are discussed all migrants are called asylum seekers and ill educated people living in poor quality areas see migrants provided for. These areas are generally deprived and resentment seeps in. This is what the BNP is feeding on.

In Liverpool they had 10 people trying to become local councilors, all had been previoulsy in prison. It is a party of thugs with a veneer of respectability.

The debate here has sadly got to the point where any politician talking about the subject is labelled a racist and no real debate can get started.

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

The debate here has sadly got to the point where any politician talking about the subject is labelled a racist and no real debate can get started.

But still we write with the constant fear of misinterpretation, and for me, the reputation of my mod team being affected.

[Crazysheep 1]

Are you too young to have ever watched the Young Ones? Im sure someone has it on thie back.

A is Anarchy symbol.

The problem in the UK is the fact that no politician is willing to stand up and really talk about 2 seperate issues.

1. Asylum - providing a helping hand to those who are being persecuted

2. Economic migration - whereby young men travel to find work to provide for families back home

Until these 2 seperate issues are discussed all migrants are called asylum seekers and ill educated people living in poor quality areas see migrants provided for. These areas are generally deprived and resentment seeps in. This is what the BNP is feeding on.

In Liverpool they had 10 people trying to become local councilors, all had been previoulsy in prison. It is a party of thugs with a veneer of respectability.

The debate here has sadly got to the point where any politician talking about the subject is labelled a racist and no real debate can get started.

Well, considering I've just said I was doing work experience, you can safely say I'm too young to have watched the Young Ones.

The thing that bugs me, is the fact it isn't about them being asylum seekers or immigrants; it's because they're different. Someone was saying to me he has no problem with people coming to this country because there's a war in theirs, (asylum seekers) but he doesn't like people coming to England to get better job opportunites and money.(economic immigrants) However, this guy came to England from Italy so his parents could get jobs.....economic immigrants, exactly what he was saying he hated. The only difference is he has the same genetic traits as us so he gets no bother, but people with Asian traits are discriminating against even if their family has been here for generations.

[Renagade 0]

and different cultures mixes things up a bit too like jon from big brother he was coloured but he is british.

so what is british.

I think a few more bnp votes around may be a good thing to shock the system slightly.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

The funniest thing is that the BNP wants to use a far-right measure (remove asylum seekers and immigrants) to be able to afford and employ far-left aims (more social benefits, better government healthcare etc.).

Just another point that proves how messed up the lot of them are

Mind you, despite the insane drivel in the Sun, Express, Mail et. al., I still think that Britain has no or very little race problems....certainly not with white ones. The largest problem is probably indians vs. pakistanis, rather than white vs. everything else, I think that integration worked best in Britain. I lived in Manchester, so I know ;)

Places like Germany is where it went wrong, were you will see hardly any ethnic cuisine restaurants (for example), just Italian and Greek places, the rest is exotic, and nowhere near the amount of take aways that u get in England from Arab/Indian/Pakistani people.

The ghettoes in England need fixing though, esp. in places like B-ham, London and Oldham.

Pub induced speech over ;)

[Renagade 0]

The funny thing is when it comes voting time someone always pipes up " If u don`t vote then u don`t care" or something else about not complaining about who gets into power if u don`t vote then u just ur gonna vote for the bnp and they shut up

What happens to the ppl who run the things behind the government and the advisors they still stay and do stuff when election times comes and goes

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

I cant beleive that the BNP acctually says it is not racist...

they would argue they want to get rid of foreigners. None of us originated in the UK at the begining of civilisation, we all moved through the landmasses and settled in a rough way we are now, and are still moving. You cant say that the US is really "originally" inhabited by the americans, but they are still seen as though they were always here. Yet an individual with indian heritage from decades ago is considered by this BNP as foreign. I dont get them.

[NurEinMensch 0]

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Places like Germany is where it went wrong, were you will see hardly any ethnic cuisine restaurants (for example), just Italian and Greek places, the rest is exotic, and nowhere near the amount of take aways that u get in England from Arab/Indian/Pakistani people.

[...]

Wait, when was your last visit to Germany?

From my own personal experience I can say we have a lot more than some Italian and Greek. (Although we have a lot of those two )

We've got plenty of Chinese, Turkish, Thailandish, Mexican.... you name it restaurants.

Turkish is my favorite btw. Mmm Döner Kebab!!! (which is as Turkish as Pizza is Italian )

[MLF 0]

are you saying islamic terrorists are good people  

tbh im not worried about the BNP, there hardly lead by hitler.

xenephobia is increasing because we are constantly getting shit on by our so called neighbours and friends.

Eeeeh? Where the hell did I suggest that Islamic terrorists are good people? Or, perhaps, you are getting mixed up with followers of Islam and Islamic extremists? This is precisely the problem I was addressing......people group together everyone who looks eastern with potential terrorists.

And of course they aren't led by Hitler-he's dead, you see. But they are led mainly by racist tatooed skinheads who organise violence against Islamic people....e.g, my dad works in a really rough school and a student who is a member of the BNP was talking about going a Turkey/England football match, except he has no interest in football. My guess is the spouts of violence that took place there (controlled exceptionally by the police, I might add) were planned by the BNP.

And as for your last comment......

erm, to me the way you worded it,

Quote[/b] ]With the young and impressionable already being told by TV that the Islamic terrorists are the baddies

to me this is saying that not all Islamic terrorists are bad people, but they are of course but hey its all about intrepretation.

Crazy, tbh i doubt the BNP organised the stabbing of a leeds supporter so that then we could go kick 3 bells of shit out some turkish people.

also on ethentisity (sp :/ ) this is how i see it.

English = Someone who has lived in this country for at least 1-2 generation's no difference between race.

British = White person of Nordic, Norman, Roman or Native who's family tree extends hundreds of years (maybe thousand').

and Yes the problem of segregation of the Pakistani/Indian/Black populace in places like Manchester,B'ham and london should be sorted, i know im Mancunian.

But i have always seen it as the majority of them seem to just want to create a piece of there homeland in there certain area and not mix with other races with an example of actually renaming an English town to more ethnically correct name.

But in some areas of England it has become a no go to hang a St Georges Flag because locals might be offended, now that just distgusts me.

[Die Alive 0]

the "townie" culture

What's a townie?

Is that like a hooligan, or a gangsta?

If you live in the city, can you also be a townie?

I see a definition of a townie

"A permanent resident of a town, especially a resident of a college town who is academically unaffiliated with the local college or university."

Guardian Townie quiz

-=Die Alive=-