BraTTy 0 Posted June 17, 2003 Everyone I talk to has the same thoughts on this. My opinion is that we should eliminate reg OFP all together. For a few reasons: Reg OFP shouldn't be compared to todays games at all. Addon and mod incompatibilities The users that tried reg ofp,said blah and left I think reg ofp should be removed from the world ,lol Offer ofp users a upgrade for free or a small (maybe like 5$ for goty with trade-in?) I think it would get users back and enhance the community Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octowussy*8_o 0 Posted June 17, 2003 maybe we should make a better engine for OFP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John C Flett 0 Posted June 17, 2003 Quote[/b] ]reg OFP What is Reg OFP? From the topic header you don't mean OFP resistance do you? If so then no, not a chance. It was a big step forward and I won't give it up. If you mean something else altogether then perhaps you should clarify. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatseeker 0 Posted June 17, 2003 Does he mean regular OpF , like releasing resistance has a standalone game , NO WAY , resistance only added new features an graphic enhancement to opf, Nogova doesnt even come close to Malden in my opinion...and i dont understand the blah and left part, OPF was great and resistance could have been much better ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraTTy 0 Posted June 17, 2003 Reg OFP is now called version 1.46.Resistance is an addon but GOTY is classed as Resistance I'm saying get rid of regular OFP and only use Resistance No more version 1.46, addon makers trying to make addons ver 1.46 compatible is hurting the addons There are currently 3 versions of OFP OFP 1.46 OFP Resistance 1.91 and now GOTY is also version 1.91 Red Hammer and such I believe would be considered 1.46 also I believe I'm sure most know what I am talking about I'm not saying get rid of the old islands and such,lol Just make sure everyone has Resistance version (GOTY) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted June 17, 2003 If people choose not to purchase GOTY or Resistance that's their perfectly valid choice, not a choice I agree with but who am I to tell people what to do? It would be wrong to turn around and tell people their game is now not supported. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoolCarlos2002 2 Posted June 17, 2003 but who am I to tell people what to do? A moderator? j/k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraTTy 0 Posted June 17, 2003 It would be wrong to turn around and tell people their game is now not supported. Thats what they are hearing if they have 1.46 and try to run Resistance addons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted June 17, 2003 Opf 1.46 isn't Resistance. If addon makers choose to make versions for both games, good on them, if not their choice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted June 17, 2003 I think majority of the people that are still in the OFP community, and thus most likely love this game, have resistance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraTTy 0 Posted June 17, 2003 Hmm, looking at I44 forums and the amount of requests that the mod be 1.46 compat, I'd bet otherwise. I've seen figures of OFP vs Res sales but I don't remember to say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus-WD- 0 Posted June 18, 2003 If i have understood, the whole point is not to stop supporting OFP players, but on the contrary, to support them so well that resistance [maybe not the campaign but the enhanced engine, units, island...]would be made available as a free upgrade for ofp owners (those who dont own OFPResistance). I wouldnt feel cheated as a buyer of both OFP and Resistance if the former was now available as a free upgrade, and i think it would do some good to the community : 1- making addon development more simple 2- making installation instructions more simple for addons 3- same for the missions 4- it would attract more ppl to play ofp and maintain a larger community of online players, maybe some would give it a second try after they have been bored with "reg ofp". 5- with all the new addons and mods and missions available ofp has changed a lot, and only OFPR offers enough possibilities to be attractive and keep the community growing and awaiting for ofp2 my .02 € Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted June 18, 2003 @ June 17 2003,15:03)]If i have understood, the whole point is not to stop supporting OFP  players, but on the contrary, to support them so well that resistance [maybe not the campaign but the enhanced engine, units, island...]would be made available as a free upgrade for ofp owners (those who dont own OFPResistance).I wouldnt feel cheated as a buyer of both OFP and Resistance if the former was now available as a free upgrade, and i think it would do some good to the community : 1- making  addon development more simple 2- making installation instructions more simple for addons 3- same for the missions 4- it would attract more ppl to play ofp and maintain a larger community of online players, maybe some would give it a second try after they have been bored with "reg ofp". 5- with all the new addons and mods and missions available ofp has changed a lot, and only OFPR offers enough possibilities to be attractive and keep the community growing and awaiting for ofp2 my .02 € Or they just could go out and buy Resistance like the rest of us. Nothing in this world is free .... games most certainly not. Resistance wasnt just eyecandy it added allot of engine improvements and bug fixes too. If you dont think resistance is worth your money ok but dont complain if you cant use resistance addons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus-WD- 0 Posted June 20, 2003 Waht's your point supah ? who's complaining ? I just said about exactly the opposite of what you pretend i have said. I only agree with some others' suggestion that now we've come to a time where the improvements of resistance over reg ofp could be made available to all the community. This clearly means as i also stated it here , "[...]and only OFPR offers enough possibilities to be attractive and [...]", that i think that OFPR is worth it... It seems we slightly have a different kind of mentality, I believe there still have some free things in this world, including games. I bought OFP as soon as it was available, i did the same with Resistance. It may seem unbelievable to you but i would not be jealous nor feeling cheated if both of them would be made completely free to the public [which is not the suggestion made in the thread btw]. Now your argument is only the "i paid it, others must pay too or it's unfair..." kind. Sorry, i had made some points to show that there would be a benefit for everyone, including BIS. I could go even more extensively on the benefits of this. Anyway none of us can decide of this, still we can discuss it, right ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoonieRat 0 Posted June 20, 2003 How easy is it to actualy buy a copy of resistance?, just resistance?. IF it's still buyable then stop pretending you're not moaning and go buy a copy if you want the 'mod compatability' that everyone else paid for. If you can't buy it unbundled with GOTYE or whatever then you have a valid point. Who should have to pay for the game twice?(OFF reg), just to aquire Resistance... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus-WD- 0 Posted June 20, 2003 IF it's still buyable then stop pretending you're not moaning and go buy a copy if you want the 'mod compatability' that everyone else paid for. What part of this don't you understand : "I bought OFP as soon as it was available, i did the same with Resistance" ? You should figure out by yourself that i am not moaning for a free copy, i HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR RESISTANCE !!! The point is not that it would be cool to help greedy ofp fans to have resistance for free, but that it would attract new players and that some ppl who have gotten bored with reg ofp might give it another try. PLUS we'd benefit of a unified development for missions and addons... I'll rephrase it another way so maybe the third time it will be read : OFP+RES would become the standard OFP when you're a new buyer ; if you happen to have a copy of OFP, have been finally bored or whatever, or if you find a second hand copy from a bored friend, you patch it with resistance for free. Watch how it has worked for Valve with CS and DOD, they were still downloadable for free if you happened to have a copy of Half Life, or you could buy a new edition of Half-Life including them or the standalone versions of them. I don't think it hurt their business, neither did it hurt the popularity and the lifespan of their game ! (I know it's not EXACTLY the same thing so it's not the discussion but it can help the understanding of how it would work with resistance) "if you want the 'mod compatability' " , yes that is exactly what people agreeing with that suggestion want, not directly for them as they ALREADY PAID FOR RESISTANCE, but for addon makers = faster debugging, faster release, more quality addons. And same for mission makers. It have already been stated but i have the feeling that none of the repliers had read it completely! I am done with this issue, if i am misunderstood i'll have to seriously think about taking some english lessons before i post again. And if someone got my point and sees i am again misunderstood and if they happen to write a better english than the poor frenchman i am : help me please !! ;P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milkman 1 Posted June 20, 2003 How easy is it to actualy buy a copy of resistance?, just resistance?. IF it's still buyable then stop pretending you're not moaning and go buy a copy if you want the 'mod compatability' that everyone else paid for. If you can't buy it unbundled with GOTYE or whatever then you have a valid point. Who should have to pay for the game twice?(OFF reg), just to aquire Resistance... Exactly! Resistance is $5.99 american! If you don't buy Resistance/GOTY then too bad. 1.46 is outdated and, in a sense, its just an old patch. It is like having 1.75 when 1.91 is an enormous improvment with new features (mac10, hunting rifle, bike, motorcycle, new car etc). Go and buy resistance/GOTY dammit! It is so cheap, and if you have any responsibility, go buy it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted June 22, 2003 Basically Resistance is really cheap compared to the improvements it offers, bundled in the GOTY edition its even cheaper. Resistance is still readily available here (the very north of the netherlands) so i think with minimal effort it should be no harder to find then allot of other games released at the same time. So whats the reason for giving it away? It will attract more people? Great but at what cost? Time and effort was put in to making resistance by bis and they want and are entitled to a return on that investment. Will make mod making easier? I doubt it, most mods are being made for res allready. No difference what so ever there. Make read me's clearer about installation? Whats confusing about "Will work with 1.95 only, copy to your C:\whatever\operationflashpoint\res\addons\" ? And if it is backwardly compatible with 1.46 or older just add a line saying where to copy it in that case .... really no real argument. Same goes for missions "You need 1.95 to play this mission" No confussion there As for "with all the new addons and mods and missions available ofp has changed a lot, and only OFPR offers enough possibilities to be attractive and keep the community growing and awaiting for ofp2", Agreed 100% ... OFPR is well worth the money, go out and buy it! BiS didnt make OFPR because they were bored and didnt feel like vacation just yet. It is a commercial product and a very good one at that. Just go out and buy it. If you dont want to buy it for what ever reason thats a-okay too .... just dont complain about not being able to use the newer addons (and no lupus i am not saying you personally did this). If you want to use the newer addons you should have bought OFPR. It would be the same as people who bought windows 98 se demanding a free upgrade to XPpro because it would keep them interested in microsoft products ..... never going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBass 0 Posted June 22, 2003 Anyone ANYONE who claims to be an OP flash fan should have resistance. If they dont have it its their fault and they should buy it instead of complaining. Resistance is, Im my opinion one of THE GREAT ADDON PACKS OF ALL TIME. Not only does it offer a campaign that is more complex in execution and story, and many would say is all round BETTER than the original. That in itself would be enough IT ALSO adds a whole plethora of new vehicles BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY It supports what many addon makers have been asking for ages and adds many new features that have made it totally indisposable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoonieRat 0 Posted June 23, 2003 Quote[/b] ]The point is not that it would be cool to help greedy ofp fans to have resistance for free, but that it would attract new players and that some ppl who have gotten bored with reg ofp might give it another try Yeah right !, and Ford should replace my boring old car right?. Do you think Codemasters care if the games played after it's paid for?, grow up!!...Quote[/b] ]Watch how it has worked for Valve with CS and DOD Both of those were USER MADE MODIFICATIONS, not Oficial release Addons, they were free to start!...I agree that changing the patch 'system' was a bad move for the comunity, but it changed aspects that could'nt be made compatible I spose, like textures res. If OFP did'nt turn you on enough to buy the add ons giving them away won't help. Only a game being good and constantly updated can prolong it usage... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
