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How do you pefer chaff/ flare systems?

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I hate chaff, how about you? smile.gif

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I voted for on all planes that could use a chaff or flare system. IRL it is automatic, and the more realistic the better!

On Scorpio's CH53 there will be a chaff and flare system (sorry, no screens right now because the pbo he sent me was corrupted)

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i vote for flares ONLY. i mean flares are a hell of alot cooler. uc an recreate cool scenes and they double as lighting for at night if needed (for ground troops)

sten-f18flare.jpg

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hmm.. I believe IR-seeking missiles cannot be detected from the targeted plane, except if it comes towards it from the front and it shows on radar.

Well anyway i think chaff/flares are quite useless in flashpoint, since IT'S NOT AN AIR COMBAT SIMULATOR AND YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ONE.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Unatomber @ April 07 2003,11:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IT'S NOT AN AIR COMBAT SIMULATOR AND YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ONE.<span id='postcolor'>

There he goes again! mad.gif

Hold him down while I kick his ass!

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Flare's would be could IMHO ,but i'm wondering if it could work ,if you would shoot an AA heat seeking rocket to a jet with flares if the rocket would actually be distracted from the flare.

That said ,AFAIK flares only work for heat seeking missile's (not laser guided one's) so they should be usseless against thing's like Strela launcher's ,and i surely never seen a heat seeking missile in ofp before ,only laser guided one's.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Apollo @ April 07 2003,14:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AFAIK flares only work for heat seeking missile's (not laser guided one's) so they should be usseless against thing's like Strela launcher's ,and i surely never seen a heat seeking missile in ofp before ,only laser guided one's.<span id='postcolor'>

Hmm... both the Stinger and Strela are heat seeking missiles, in real life they do not have the kind of locking system they have in OFP I suppose. And, as in ofp the missile always homes only to the target its been locked to, flares could not be made realistic in any way.

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Hmmm, heat Seeking missiles can be locked, see AIM109 Sidewinders. I don't know if it is true for MANPADs, though.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (peanuckle_00 @ April 07 2003,16:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kegety's says chaff and flare don't even work.<span id='postcolor'>

... reallistically wink.gif

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Guest jacobaby

Guys guys guys............

If you can wait a couple of weeks or so, all your questions will be answered.

I PROMISE you that I have developed an automated ECM system that works in a realistic manner.

We have had this system for a few weeks now, and we will be releasing it on the MH47E, for which it was developed.

I wont go into whys and wherefores right now, suffice to say it works, and it works in MP too.

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TJ

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but doesnt the Tornado and F/18 from hudson have chaff's , they work pretty well tried them in MP dogfight, if you select them and a missile is fired at you they automaticly go out

or did i miss something?

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maybe yeh, I personally havent tried them. What we used to do for the MH47E for example was to create flares at the rear which had a large invisible hit area.

Thats one way at least, although not realistic as is possible.

TJ

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jacobaby @ April 07 2003,18:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">create flares at the rear which had a large invisible hit area<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, thats what happens on Hudson's F-18. Your missile

is like 10 meters away from the flare but it still stops the

missile sad.gif It would be more realistic if the chaff didn't work

every time, or if somehow the missile would actually target

the flare.

Also, i'm a little confused:

aren't flares and chaff considered "counter measures"

and jamming type things considered "Electronic counter

measures"? I've been playing flight sims for years, and chaff

and flares weren't refered to as ECM.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AXE @ April 08 2003,01:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It would be more realistic if the chaff didn't work

every time, or if somehow the missile would actually target

the flare.<span id='postcolor'>

yeah, like the missile changes path towards the chaff/flare when its released... im also ok if flare wouldnt work like that at all, as long as it can light upp paths for them soldiers below! biggrin.gif

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Guest jacobaby

Axe,

You are correct, I typed the extra E by mistake. The onyl chopper I know of with ECM is the DKM apache.

Its a flare system I have developed. And it works in a way you would expect.

Trust this, you WILL like it. Probably. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

TJ

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AXE @ April 08 2003,02:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">aren't flares and chaff considered "counter measures"

and jamming type things considered "Electronic counter

measures"? I've been playing flight sims for years, and chaff

and flares weren't refered to as ECM.<span id='postcolor'>

You're right! Chaff/flares should be referred as "decoys" rather than ECM. ECM (jamming) is regarded as "active" countermeasures where chaff/flares are "passive".

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