AXE 0 Posted April 6, 2003 I hate chaff, how about you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog~ 0 Posted April 6, 2003 I voted for on all planes that could use a chaff or flare system. IRL it is automatic, and the more realistic the better! On Scorpio's CH53 there will be a chaff and flare system (sorry, no screens right now because the pbo he sent me was corrupted) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drewb99 0 Posted April 7, 2003 If it works, I'm all for it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~Too Tall~ 0 Posted April 7, 2003 i vote for flares ONLY. i mean flares are a hell of alot cooler. uc an recreate cool scenes and they double as lighting for at night if needed (for ground troops) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unatomber 0 Posted April 7, 2003 hmm.. I believe IR-seeking missiles cannot be detected from the targeted plane, except if it comes towards it from the front and it shows on radar. Well anyway i think chaff/flares are quite useless in flashpoint, since IT'S NOT AN AIR COMBAT SIMULATOR AND YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ONE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wonder 0 Posted April 7, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Unatomber @ April 07 2003,11:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IT'S NOT AN AIR COMBAT SIMULATOR AND YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ONE.<span id='postcolor'> There he goes again! Hold him down while I kick his ass! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apollo 0 Posted April 7, 2003 Flare's would be could IMHO ,but i'm wondering if it could work ,if you would shoot an AA heat seeking rocket to a jet with flares if the rocket would actually be distracted from the flare. That said ,AFAIK flares only work for heat seeking missile's (not laser guided one's) so they should be usseless against thing's like Strela launcher's ,and i surely never seen a heat seeking missile in ofp before ,only laser guided one's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kegetys 2 Posted April 7, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Apollo @ April 07 2003,14:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AFAIK flares only work for heat seeking missile's (not laser guided one's) so they should be usseless against thing's like Strela launcher's ,and i surely never seen a heat seeking missile in ofp before ,only laser guided one's.<span id='postcolor'> Hmm... both the Stinger and Strela are heat seeking missiles, in real life they do not have the kind of locking system they have in OFP I suppose. And, as in ofp the missile always homes only to the target its been locked to, flares could not be made realistic in any way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whisperFFW06 0 Posted April 7, 2003 Hmmm, heat Seeking missiles can be locked, see AIM109 Sidewinders. I don't know if it is true for MANPADs, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peanuckle_00 0 Posted April 7, 2003 Kegety's says chaff and flare don't even work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whisperFFW06 0 Posted April 7, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (peanuckle_00 @ April 07 2003,16:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kegety's says chaff and flare don't even work.<span id='postcolor'> ... reallistically Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jacobaby Posted April 7, 2003 Guys guys guys............ If you can wait a couple of weeks or so, all your questions will be answered. I PROMISE you that I have developed an automated ECM system that works in a realistic manner. We have had this system for a few weeks now, and we will be releasing it on the MH47E, for which it was developed. I wont go into whys and wherefores right now, suffice to say it works, and it works in MP too. TJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoolCarlos2002 2 Posted April 7, 2003 but doesnt the Tornado and F/18 from hudson have chaff's , they work pretty well tried them in MP dogfight, if you select them and a missile is fired at you they automaticly go out or did i miss something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jacobaby Posted April 7, 2003 maybe yeh, I personally havent tried them. What we used to do for the MH47E for example was to create flares at the rear which had a large invisible hit area. Thats one way at least, although not realistic as is possible. TJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AXE 0 Posted April 7, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jacobaby @ April 07 2003,18:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">create flares at the rear which had a large invisible hit area<span id='postcolor'> Yeah, thats what happens on Hudson's F-18. Your missile is like 10 meters away from the flare but it still stops the missile It would be more realistic if the chaff didn't work every time, or if somehow the missile would actually target the flare. Also, i'm a little confused: aren't flares and chaff considered "counter measures" and jamming type things considered "Electronic counter measures"? I've been playing flight sims for years, and chaff and flares weren't refered to as ECM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrukas 0 Posted April 7, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AXE @ April 08 2003,01:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It would be more realistic if the chaff didn't work every time, or if somehow the missile would actually target the flare.<span id='postcolor'> yeah, like the missile changes path towards the chaff/flare when its released... im also ok if flare wouldnt work like that at all, as long as it can light upp paths for them soldiers below! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jacobaby Posted April 8, 2003 Axe, You are correct, I typed the extra E by mistake. The onyl chopper I know of with ECM is the DKM apache. Its a flare system I have developed. And it works in a way you would expect. Trust this, you WILL like it. Probably. TJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wonder 0 Posted April 8, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AXE @ April 08 2003,02:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">aren't flares and chaff considered "counter measures" and jamming type things considered "Electronic counter measures"? I've been playing flight sims for years, and chaff and flares weren't refered to as ECM.<span id='postcolor'> You're right! Chaff/flares should be referred as "decoys" rather than ECM. ECM (jamming) is regarded as "active" countermeasures where chaff/flares are "passive". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites